Thal sociosexual dynamics

This must not be construed as prescriptive. Taking this to heart in modern times is a great way to end up incel. It is also distinct from the modern Gamma male sexual instincts seen in anime and sci-fi, though there are enough overlaps that I think they are related.

Thal men are hunter-gatherers and trade specialists. Hunting is a group activity learned in childhood (20, <50). During childhood, a boy is taught a variety of life skills and observed for aptitudes. At a certain age (20 or so), they leave the main cluster of homes to live like hermits on the outskirts of society, practicing a specialized trade except when the males of the tribe gang up for routine hunts. They generally remain asexual and solitary unless the female social group picks them out for breeding. Because they are on the outskirts of town and are each intimately familiar with their “backyards”, they serve triple-duty as watchmen who can spot danger and communicate herd migrations. The space between tribal centers is a no-man's land of these territorial hermits.

Thal women are cattle herders, socialites, artists, and child-rearers. They accomplish most of these things at the same time because it's not difficult to watch the cows, gossip, assign age-appropriate chores to the kids, and play the occasional tune on a flute or idly sketch something funny and cutesy or craft some doo-dads for decorating the house. This gossip is how most of the important stuff gets decided, like who would make a cute couple and which males are so creepy that they need to be watched and maybe sent packing by the other males. If one of the girls has her eye on one of the eligible bachelors, she will generally wait for her group to notice her interest, approve it, and then force her to go talk to him.

A thal female never enters a thal male's backyard unless she is alone, with the intention of initiating courtship. I can't say how important it is for her to have the approval of the other females, but it seems to be so important that they developed the instinct of waiting to be pushed into a relationship by their peers (and also pushing their peers). At this point, it is the male thal's job to accept this overture by pursuing and initiating sexual contact, which is the main thing distinguishing this from modern Gamma instincts (where the girl basically throws herself vagina-first onto his dick, or slips and falls onto it by accident). Once they produce a child, they leave the outskirts and move back into polite society.

This post is also inspired a dream I had the other night (apparently this is a thing for me now). It may have been inspired by my background material from rdos and Tex (please read), but I doubt it was caused by these because this is not a topic I ever think about. Plus, it “feels” inspired and that seems to be my best (and only) guide nowadays.

Anyway, in this dream I was reading a book, sitting a bit removed from my social group. It was this book actually, and I remember which section it was even if I couldn’t read any distinct words (which has only happened in two dreams that I recall). There was a group of three girls with whom I was only vaguely acquainted, who were chattering away.

One of them broke from the group, sat next to me, and interrupted my reading. She asked a couple of questions with a big cheerful smile, just making small talk, and I engaged with the sort of shell-shock that you would expect from somebody who’s just been yanked out of their inner universe by a pleasant surprise. After about five seconds, I realized that she was talking to me because she was attracted to me. With perfect dream logic, I reasoned that there is zero reason an unrelated, perfectly fertile woman would enter my comfort zone and talk to me, unless she has decided to marry me. I instinctively understood that it was my job to validate this by making a move within a very brief time window, so after another five seconds I dove in and kissed her. If I had missed this brief time window, it would be tantamount to rejecting her blatant advances.

(I suspect I had this dream because I’m nearing the end of neanderthal adolescence, as a way of alerting me that I’m now an eligible bachelor. Or maybe this is all nuts.)

Later in the dream, after a great deal of time away from each other, I saw this girl in a group of women and kids. I was filled with happiness at the thought of talking to her and made a beeline to strike up a conversation. It seemed like the most natural thing in the world that we were a pair-bond connected by perfect trust in each other, even if we spent most of our time apart. It also seemed natural that I was no longer acting like a hermit, or de facto segregated from the community of women and children.

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16 Responses to Thal sociosexual dynamics

  1. Mycroft Jones says:

    This is quite different from the Biblical “Uncle, I want to marry your daughter and put her womb to work for me instead of you, I’ll work on your farm for 7 years as compensation.” Without strong patriarchy modulating women’s choice, King David would have had thousands of wives; the women were all gaga over him, to the point it made King Saul jealous. In fact, in the Bible, if a woman went in unto a man of her own accord, she was courting the death penalty.

    Aeoli, have you checked out Jim Penman’s latest book, Biohistory? He is opposed to patriarchy, but he acknowledges and outlines its power and benefits from a civilizational point of view.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      >This is quite different from the Biblical “Uncle, I want to marry your daughter and put her womb to work for me instead of you, I’ll work on your farm for 7 years as compensation.”

      Yup, hence the disclaimer. I’m merely trying to explain why this strange 0.5% of the male population acts the way they do.

      >Without strong patriarchy modulating women’s choice, King David would have had thousands of wives; the women were all gaga over him, to the point it made King Saul jealous.

      David was a full melon, no question in my mind. Saul was just a Big Man, hence all the AMOGing.

      > In fact, in the Bible, if a woman went in unto a man of her own accord, she was courting the death penalty.

      The book of Proverbs has a thing or two to say on this score as well.

      >Aeoli, have you checked out Jim Penman’s latest book, Biohistory?

      No, I haven’t. Have been reading mostly math/phys review books on top of my typical trash.

      >He is opposed to patriarchy, but he acknowledges and outlines its power and benefits from a civilizational point of view.

      I also oppose patriarchy in the abstract, but I oppose pretty much everything in modern life and I understand that most of modern life is built from these irreducible systems whose parts can’t be excised without bringing the whole thing down.

  2. Mycroft Jones says:

    Further on this theme, I’ve been pondering what Koanic says: you treat a wild deer different than you treat someone elses sheep. Even though both are tasty and delicious. It is tempting (and perhaps even permissible) to take a wild deer and attempt to own it, until such time as it disqualifies itself. But over my years I’ve realized such going-to-fail relationships suck up time better spent finding a proper woman.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      Imprinting is a real thing, and trait “impressionability” (as in “children are more impressionable than adults”) skyrockets during sexual experiences.

      Suffice it to say I’m not convinced Koanic has the right idea here. Maybe.

  3. Regardless any of this requires having a woman and a wider world with respect for boundaries around which one can plan a life. To paraphrase Milton Friedman: it doesn’t matter what the rules are so much as that you can trust them. Right now all you can trust in is systemic collapse so ummm it’s not really a good reproductive environment for intelligent people of any stripe.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      >Regardless any of this requires having a woman and a wider world with respect for boundaries around which one can plan a life.

      There’s always the Romulus gambit. RAEP

      >To paraphrase Milton Friedman: it doesn’t matter what the rules are so much as that you can trust them.

      This is less generally true than is implied. It is only true for people who are good at observing and following rules.

      >Right now all you can trust in is systemic collapse so ummm it’s not really a good reproductive environment for intelligent people of any stripe.

      Societal collapse is the best time to make big bets when it comes to offspring. “Normal” is no longer an advantage, but rather a serious disadvantage. The period after the collapse will pick a couple of seriously weird bloodlines and push the others to extinction. If you can father one of those bloodlines, then you hit the genetic jackpot.

  4. Heaviside says:

    Women try to get people to couple because they are a degenerative force that seek to bring men down to their level. If you knew Taoist doctrines on this subject you would understand that women seek to sap and impurify all our precious bodily fluids. This is because women are natural communists.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      >Women try to get people to couple because they are a degenerative force that seek to bring men down to their level.

      I believe this is a modern artifact for edenic reasons. Lower standard deviations and all that.

      >If you knew Taoist doctrines on this subject you would understand that women seek to sap and impurify all our precious bodily fluids.

      Eh? That is seriously crazy talk. I wonder whether it’s true.

      >This is because women are natural communists.

      Yes.

      Homo sapiens women do their own fighting and provision, so if the population continues to progress toward greater facial neoteny they might become exempt from this rule.

  5. Lazer says:

    This is a good post. Maybe thats why females find Aspies so repulsive as they are going against their instincts and doing what “society” says they ought to be doing.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      Whatever causes the repulsion, it’s a disgust/pity/contempt reaction. The accompanying facial expressions are asymmetrical, which is reserved for gross stuff that’ll make you sick, or people whose friendship would significantly lower one’s status (ex. Mexican Indians in America), etc.

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  8. podrag says:

    This has me thinking that Dualbacks are meant to be petty lords of the badlands, assassins, shamans, yogins and just generally damn difficult wierdos: good at herding cats and making enemies and friends alike.

    Probably good for a genetic bottleneck then!

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      I doubt they have an intended purpose, but they have some very interesting properties that could be useful for leading teams of engineers in long-term projects. Not least of which: perfectionism, constant second-guessing anxiety, very long-term perspective, high value stratification, melon perceptivity and abstraction, thal social style, visuospatial ability to understand details, and obviously the extreme intelligence helps.

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