Current thoughts on exercise

(Yikes, posting is slow lately. Edenist Whackjob, I’ve decided to give you a set of keys to the place as soon as I figure out how to do that. Clearly I’m not responsible enough to be hosting a blog by myself, and the situation can only improve. Just don’t be boring, that’s my only requirement.)

What was I talking about again? I think the point was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time…

My philosophy on weightlifting is similar to my philosophy on learning guitar. Knowledge, programs, and such are about 2 percent of the equation when you’re studying guitar. The other 98 percent is quality practice time. You can accomplish this through discipline or obsession, although I’d advise obsession for the added benefits of compulsive mental rehearsal (see also the comment by two miles). A similar rule of thumb exists for weightlifting: it’s 50% consistency (spend quality time with the weights and stop dicking around with your phone), 40% proper nutrition and sleep, and 10% other. If you get in the gym and eat right, you’re going to make gains. As for the other 10 percent, I think most TTs will benefit more from a high-weight, low-rep lifting regimen, although this does vary from body to body.

On any day I don’t go to the gym, I go for a very long walk. I mean 10 miles or so, which takes a couple of hours. This is mostly because I need to burn off a lot of stress and calories if I’m going to sleep well at night. Psychologically, it is also a barrier against skipping my trip to the gym. There are a lot of valid excuses for skipping a day at the gym, like taking a rest day (two days on, one off is my baseline), or working so many hours that lifting would be counterproductive (the body needs rest to build up). This rule is also important for failure cycling, because long walks are mandatory at bio level 1- it’s a very important stepping stone to more intense levels of physical activity. For reference:

Bio 1: Long walks every day
Bio 2: Cardio most days, walks on every rest day
Bio 3: Lifting most days, cardio some days, walks every other day
Bio 4: Serious athletic training

Rec sports are the best cardio days, because they don’t suck so much dick. Right now I play pickup basketball with a bunch of old men on Tuesdays and Wednesdays. If you think marathon training is a good idea then I don’t want you on my blog. Get out. The combination of running 10 mph for five minutes every lifting day as a warmup, plus these longer cardio days playing ultimate frisbee at the local community college or something, will get you in pretty good shape quickly.

People say you should mix up your exercises for the same muscle groups, but I haven’t noticed any problems with doing the same exercises over and over. If your muscles are bored, I say you should put more weight on and that’ll mix you up plenty. My chest exercises haven’t changed one bit: dumbbell bench press, dumbbell incline, and the fly machine.

Speaking of dumbbells, I can definitively say that you will make a lot more long-term progress if you get in the habit of lifting without a spotter. Lifting partners are way too flaky to be useful, IMO. Sure, maybe you work on your bench press for 6 months, but then your buddy starts making excuses, or moves to another state, or you move to another state or something. Then you gotta change everything around, doing bench press on the fucking Smith machine or something, wondering the whole time whether your buddy’s gonna snap out of it. Nah, you don’t need that extra shit in your life.

The hour before exercising is crucial. You should be doing an activity that segues into exercise because it gets you unfocused and amped up, like watching UFC on YouTube or something. I try to do guitar practice here. About twenty minutes before exercising, eat a banana or drink a big glass of orange juice. This is gonna spike your blood sugar, and between this and watching UFC videos a trip to the gym is going to start seeming like a great idea. This removes a big obstacle between you and consistent exercise. Set yourself up for easy success.

No reason to use willpower if you can be smart instead- we want easy habits. Remember, it’s all about consistency, diet, and rest. Think about how much you’ll be able to lift in ten years if you just lift three days per week, get some damn sleep, and eat some damn protein.

I don’t believe anyone should lift first thing in the morning, not even morning people. Late afternoon is best. Running first thing is fine if you have the stomach for it. I’d prefer to knock out cardio days during lunchtime, but it’s not up to me.

Oh, and for fuck’s sake drink more water. At least a gallon per day if you’re working out a lot. Even if you aren’t it’s only going to make it easier to ding bio levels. Plus it’ll give you a lot of energy because you’ll have to pee all the time.

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43 Responses to Current thoughts on exercise

  1. Lazer says:

    “The combination of running 10 mph for five minutes every lifting day as a warmup, plus these longer cardio days playing ultimate frisbee at the local community college or something, will get you in pretty good shape quickly.”

    I once threw on 10 pounds in a week, and my ab definition came back in three of those days, from doing this. Good thing Ive noticed is instead of resting a minute to a minute 30 between sets is to hop on the treadmill as soon as the exercise is done on highest setting and sprint a quarter mile. I usually do it on back day to get the blood and hormones circulating. You will pull a leg muscle if you are not careful on the days you do lower body. Once your trucking you can get your gym time down to thirty minutes or less. Sprinting also increases testosterone. Be warned though. If your gym has some bad treadmills you will break them in no time.

  2. Edenist whackjob says:

    A few minutes of bike sprints seems to give outsized effects on mood and (probably) fat-burning.

    There’s a quite a bit of support for stuff like that, as well. Here is one piece:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3151376/I-ve-THREE-MINUTES-exercise-week-two-years-never-fitter-Vince-initially-scoffed-high-intensity-exercise-says-s-changed-life.html

    Also, you want ME to guest blog here? I’m just an impostor, you know…

    Also also, I seem to be leaning more and more to the direction that Edenism is a collective mania/delusion. We either need to snap out of it or (turning it into an organized religion might work (maybe that is the function of religion – to channel man’s appetite for crazy thought)), or, if it is actually true, dedicate signficant chunks of our time and energy to it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_hysteria

    Finally, speaking of utter insanity, the weed told me yesterday that Elon Musk is the Antichrist. You heard it here first, folks.

    • “Also also, I seem to be leaning more and more to the direction that Edenism is a collective mania/delusion. We either need to snap out of it or[…]”

      This is largely true. In part why I left the NH though I don’t think I fully realized that THAT was what I was realizing at the time.

      My evaluation is this:

      There is a lotta lotta lotta dross and only a little gold in Edenism so far. Some of the gold may or may not be worth working for, because wading through the dross may well be tedious. At present, the only people who seem to really be taking it forward and producing gold not dross to a significant extent are Polymath and Memoire.

      There are some interesting side effects not coming from Edenism per se:

      a.) a bunch of interesting, intelligent people coming together and bouncing ideas around
      b.) a bunch of interesting ideas that are tangentially related to Edenism

      Koanic is brilliant, but I would say Edenism isn’t actually his most brilliant idea; and I suspect if he had concentrated his intellectual efforts elsewhere he might have come up with better stuff (otoh hindsight is 20-20, so in that sense Edenism may have been something he just “had to” come up with). Yes, his formulation of Edenism is quite impressive, and had some side effects that may prove very good, but I find myself more and more convinced that Edenism itself, at present, is not very useful, and largely a mass delusion.

      Aeoli is also brilliant, but his best ideas are the fringe psychology related ones that are not necessarily connected to Edenism; I think most of his psychology ideas would actually become better the more he removed them from Edenism.

      Same with many/most people involved to a significant extent in Edenism. A lot of sharp folks, but sadly most of their intellectual effort is being wasted when applied to Edenism (with the exception of Polymath and Memoire, who are actually going somewhere with it).

      (TEM)

      • To make it a bit more concrete a few examples.

        Think of all the mistype/retypes and occasional complete re-evaluations of what a certain sort of typing means.

        Rachael and Egyptian from TT to TM; Glenn being MT despite appearing to have about as much of occ as most occ-havers; etc.

        Then there is the whole matter of some people not matching up whatsoever to what the descriptions actually say. To my mind Glenn and Koanic are about the only MTs who seem to match very closely to what an MT is “supposed” to be. Podrag to an extent as well, but it seems most MTs are/were pretty darn far off from what an MT was/is supposed to be.

        I could compare it to MBTI typology (since Edenism is largely a form of typology) or to “game.”

        Regarding game, there is just so much mass delusion going on it’s not even funny. Largely it got better from it’s early beginnings with Strauss etc. but it’s still mostly pretty stupid.

        Game has a few good insights: that men these days are mostly quite effeminate; that women generally prefer masculine men; that there is such a thing as masculine and feminine. Then, however, it creates it’s own smaller alternate mass delusion to exchange for the standard PC cultural Marxist mass delusion that infects all of society.

        A big part of it is what Adam often harped on, that women generally do prefer good looking men, and that that is a huge part of attraction that game generally (perhaps not so much recently?) categorically denies. Really though, there’s just too much ridiculous nonsense in it to refute it all, and “game” is overall an “alternate mass delusion.” To the point where you get a significant amount of people saying “OMG game will save Western Civilization!” (lol)

        Comparing it to MBTI is probably more accurate. I actually do think MBTI is a good and accurate system when properly understood, but the way people do it with community dynamics in “the MBTI community,” has generally tended to make it less than useless (though it seems to be improving somewhat).

        People come onto the MBTI forums, most completely misunderstanding the theory, then type or mistype themselves and make all sorts of threads with things like “hey all fellow XXXX’s, I’m an XXXX and I have peculiar habit A, or psychological tendency B, or what have you. Any of you XXXX’s too?” and people start replying “OMG me too,” and the human tendency of wanting to be part of an ingroup often makes people agree with things they shouldn’t, and start to self-brainwash and convince themselves they have all sorts of psychological traits they actually don’t.

        I just wonder how much of the talk on the NH is like that. I think quite a bit. People being typed as something and then convincing themselves they have certain traits they don’t, or don’t have certain traits they do, because they’re looking for an ingroup. How much of the observational “science” of observing interactions between Edenist types in order to better understand things about categories and types that supposedly actually exist is in fact just mutually assisted self-brainwashing?

        “I’m a XX, any of you other XX’s also do _____?”

        In a nutshell, so much of Edenism that passes itself off as an investigation of reality is actually the creation of a fictitious alternate reality.

        The idea of the forum was that it would gather info by sorting people into the types and then creating a huge data pool that could be used to discern something about the reality of these types. But it doesn’t work… AT ALL… not one bit– because of the observer effect, you have people already sorted into a type, and so they consciously or subconsciously make themselves think, act, and write like what that type is supposed to think, act, and write like. I consider almost all of the “research” into types conducted on the forum to be more than less than useless. Everything you think you know about TT’s, TM’s, MM’s, MT’s, or even sock, occ, etc. (assuming these are at all real categories, which they may or may not be) if it is at all based on anything you’ve learned from observation on the forums, is probably next to useless.

        Like game also it has a few key truisms such as: a.) smart people tend to look smart, dumb people tend to look dumb, b.) you can usually tell something about what someone is like psychologically by their physical appearance; c.) many people do have neanderthal admixture, some more than others. But almost each extrapolation gets worse and worse and less and less accurate from there on out.

        Polymath and Memoire are doing actual research into neanderthals, which may turn out useful at some point.

        Anyhow, I was actually thinking about rejoining the NH to post these sorts of objections. I still think something good could come out of the NH, but it would first require a complete re-evaluation of things.

      • It’s all really starting to make sense now via Charlton’s “Addicted to Distraction” in combination with MacIntyre’s “After Virtue,” and many related thoughts.

        The Mass Media’s teleology is directed towards denying reality, creating its own alternate realities and propagating itself, i.e. turning everyone into a part of the Mass Media– i.e. not only a consumer of alternate reality, but also a creator of alternate reality, or said otherwise: not only being deceived, but colluding in their own deception, participating in the creation of their own deception.

        Those who see through some of the most blatant lies such as blank slatism, denial of race, gender, whatever crazy cultural marxist obviously false bs that would require self-brainwashing and denying the reality in front of one’s own eyes to believe….

        ….it seems that the Mass Media still manages to co-opt most of them most of the time. They are driven to create their own mini-Mass Medias that deny particulars of standard Mass Media delusion, but are nonetheless focused on REALITY CREATION. Rather than participating in reality, observing and discovering reality, participating in the order of being– these alternate Mass Media communities are still focused on creating their own alternate reality.

        Such applies to Game, Edenism, the Manosphere, Neoreaction, most of White Nationalism, the “Alternative Right,” etc.

      • Edenist whackjob says:

        “There are some interesting side effects not coming from Edenism per se:

        a.) a bunch of interesting, intelligent people coming together and bouncing ideas around
        b.) a bunch of interesting ideas that are tangentially related to Edenism”

        Maybe one could say that Tex found a particular form that appealed to the “religious” instincts of aspies (and also, their desire to feel special/elitist/in-on-the-secrets) and Koanic weaponized it.

        “Aeoli is also brilliant, but his best ideas are the fringe psychology related ones that are not necessarily connected to Edenism; I think most of his psychology ideas would actually become better the more he removed them from Edenism.”

        Agreed.

        “Think of all the mistype/retypes and occasional complete re-evaluations of what a certain sort of typing means.”

        Yup. It doesn’t really stand up to scientific scrutiny. Hence why there is such an “air” of uncertainty on the NH. No one really knows what they’re talking about, yet they state their guesses as matter of fact. The less intelligent posters assume the smarter ones know what they’re talking about, and make Edenism into a monolithic concept. “I don’t get it, but a lot of smart people say they believe in it, so it must be true”.

        “Game has a few good insights: that men these days are mostly quite effeminate; that women generally prefer masculine men; that there is such a thing as masculine and feminine. Then, however, it creates it’s own smaller alternate mass delusion to exchange for the standard PC cultural Marxist mass delusion that infects all of society.”

        Agreed.

        ‘A big part of it is what Adam often harped on, that women generally do prefer good looking men, and that that is a huge part of attraction that game generally (perhaps not so much recently?) categorically denies. Really though, there’s just too much ridiculous nonsense in it to refute it all, and “game” is overall an “alternate mass delusion.”’

        Agreed. With notable exceptions, like Good Looking Loser.

        ‘To the point where you get a significant amount of people saying “OMG game will save Western Civilization!” (lol)’

        I think there is some kind of “collectively unconscious” knowing that men are not what they need to be today, and that women are taking up a lot of “space” in society, and Game is just a symptom of this.

        “I just wonder how much of the talk on the NH is like that. I think quite a bit. People being typed as something and then convincing themselves they have certain traits they don’t, or don’t have certain traits they do, because they’re looking for an ingroup. How much of the observational “science” of observing interactions between Edenist types in order to better understand things about categories and types that supposedly actually exist is in fact just mutually assisted self-brainwashing?”

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia

        “Like game also it has a few key truisms such as: a.) smart people tend to look smart, dumb people tend to look dumb, b.) you can usually tell something about what someone is like psychologically by their physical appearance; c.) many people do have neanderthal admixture, some more than others. But almost each extrapolation gets worse and worse and less and less accurate from there on out.”

        The bits about Edenism that are true, tend to get picked up by mainstream science also. Examples: Neanderthals being creatives, stupid/criminal people having certain face structures. Both examples of memes I’ve seen in mainstream publications.

        “The Mass Media’s teleology is directed towards denying reality, creating its own alternate realities and propagating itself, i.e. turning everyone into a part of the Mass Media– i.e. not only a consumer of alternate reality, but also a creator of alternate reality, or said otherwise: not only being deceived, but colluding in their own deception, participating in the creation of their own deception.”

        Interesting way to put it. I’ll add this: I believe the media is complicit in making people very much “in their heads”. The conflict between on one side what one is being told by one’s own lying eyes and one’s own screaming amygdala, and on the other hand what the media hypnosis pumps into one’s brain, is a tough one to win. I think a lot of smart people never really get over it, and instead they depersonalize/derealize and become like walking robots, shut off from their own emotions. Probably explains a lot of narcissism, too. (Ie, people who get really in their heads and start editing reality and whose goals in life are image- and status-based).

        “Those who see through some of the most blatant lies such as blank slatism, denial of race, gender, whatever crazy cultural marxist obviously false bs that would require self-brainwashing and denying the reality in front of one’s own eyes to believe….

        ….it seems that the Mass Media still manages to co-opt most of them most of the time. They are driven to create their own mini-Mass Medias that deny particulars of standard Mass Media delusion, but are nonetheless focused on REALITY CREATION. Rather than participating in reality, observing and discovering reality, participating in the order of being– these alternate Mass Media communities are still focused on creating their own alternate reality.”

        I know for myself, it is still a mental effort to REALLY disbelieve the media and REALLY believe my own lying eyes. Like straining a mental muscle that lacks practice. The media is not very good at commanding loyalty from smart people, but it is very good at sowing enough doubt in them that they become functionally crippled, side-liners to the battle. Creating one’s own alternate reality might be an attempt to convince oneself that reality is real. But as you say, it’s not really living.

  3. Edenist whackjob says:

    I also saw a vision of my native Sweden 1000 years from now. Imagine something more akin to Sicily or the Balkans, racially.

    I’m not even a racist, really, but I’ve been trying to really “see” the effects of our current demographic vector. Understanding is needed before one can pass judgement on something like that.

    I think, btw, that the lack of ability to future-project is a crucial problem with democracy. How can you make decisions about something you can´t really see unfolding?

    People who like science fiction and can think about how things will be in the future (in a more than just linguistic/sophistic way, ie “computers will be faster”), clearly have some kind of

    Maybe a prerequisite test for being given the vote should be playing some kind of computer simulation of society that starts out at a tribal level and then lets you make decisions all the way until the far future. The candidate for franchise would be evaluated on the stringency of the decisions made in the sim, as well as the consequences. Midwits with ideologies would not necessarily be disenfranchised, but they would be recognized for what they are and so not given the most potent voting passes.

  4. Edenist whackjob says:

    It should say ” clearly have some kind of special brain hardware. I suspect how bound one is to the forms of one’s time, and how attracted one is to the form’s of the future, is something that can be quantified. Sci fi authors and people who are at the cutting edge of UX and web design obviously have it.”

  5. j says:

    >Oh, and for fuck’s sake drink more water. At least a gallon per day if you’re working out a lot. Even if you aren’t it’s only going to make it easier to ding bio levels. Plus it’ll give you a lot of energy because you’ll have to pee all the time.

    GH15 users say it is very important to take in lots of sodium and that excessive consumption of plain water actually dehydrates you by stripping away electrolytes.


    Personally I get cranky and tired when I go without drinking isotonic drinks (which contain salt) for too long.

    YMMV but maybe try adding sea salt to your water or take isotonic drinks and see if it helps.

  6. j says:

    Sorry, I didn’t know the screenshots would be shown inline like that. Damn.

  7. Edenist whackjob says:

    RAM dump:

    Practical test to see if you are religious about Edenism or are rationally evaluating it on its merits:

    Try to think the thought “Tex is wrong about a lot of stuff”.

    That’s it.

    Do you get resistance? Does the thought want to slip away? Does it feel blocked somehow? Do you find yourself thinking “wait, what? no, he’s right about everything!”? If so, congrats, you are having delusional thoughts*

    * Note that delusion does not, in my view, have anything to do with truth-value. Tex might be 100% right, but you still have a delusional thought style about his ideas. Think about it: is it really reasonable that Tex is literally right about everything? Like 100%. What if the actual number is 53%? Doesn’t that still make him a genius? In fact, isn’t it enough that one of his ideas are right? All of them are pretty revolutionary if true. Personally, I want the guy to be right. But, like with the Buddha, we shouldn’t take things on pure faith but rather test them out for ourselves.

    Evolution of universalist thought in hominids:

    0: “I want food and sex”
    1: “Looking out for number 1” (ie at least rationalizes selfishness)
    2: “Looking out for me and mine”
    3: “Me and my cousin against $outside_invader”
    4: “God save the $insert_members_of_my_tribe!”
    5: “All humans are brothers!” (socialism)
    6: “Every individual deserves to be left in peace. Liberty and justice for all!” (libertarianism)
    7: “Every hominid should be allowed to self-segregate based on its social/environment needs, but should be given the appropriate oversight and control corresponding to its level of development in conscientiousness and revealed time-preference.” (ie let monkeys be monkeys, and let people who are good and long-term-oriented act mostly on their wishes)

    The hottest chicks live in the region of Dalecarlia, Sweden. Sharp features, deep sockets, full figures. Not pure Thals, though, mind you, more like original Cro-Magnons.

    Your boner may vary, of course.

    A definition of civilization:

    A social structure in which it is OK to point out “this sucks!” and demand change. By this definition, we are not living in a civilization since the big suckitudes of our time are off-limits for debate.

    Also, this explains the appeal of the free market. It’s a structure in which anonymity allows “this sucks!” impulses to be broadcast, and in which such signals are quickly latched on to and rewarded because of the fierce profit motive. This is of course counter-acted by centralized big banks (which distort market signals by creating the fiction of an r-selected money situation (“there is a lot of money to go around, so invest in all kind of rabbit-brained schemes”)) and the advertising-entertainment-news complex, which exploits the fiction that men are rational. We don’t pretend that a lion-tamer is appealing to some kind of leo economicus, so why do we assume people are so much smarter when they have thoughts implanted into them by their TVs? (Although, ironically, the lion IS probably quite rational, ie it doesn’t buy into the circus tricks unless it gets fed and such).

    • Edenist whackjob says:

      Allowing the advertising-media-news complex to operate freely makes sense on steps 5 and 6 on my universalist ladder above.

      Maybe you could say those steps are similar to mid-wits or what Charlton calls “clever sillies”.

      Before those steps, people are too “caught up in their own time” to really care about media signals. Ie you might be a British man living in a 1880s reality in which your tribe are the overlords (step 4), and you don’t really reflect on that so much. So, the mass media apparatus isn’t THAT active in your psyche, and doesn’t have to be either.

      When we get the inklings of a globalized sci fi reality, THAT’S when it becomes important to grab the reins of the narrative

      I’d say the mainstream is stuck on step 5 (socialism, universal brotherhood) with the big masses thinking on the lower levels, and with the counter-culturists (mentioned here: https://ynglingasaga.wordpress.com/2013/10/01/moldbug-and-mead-a-sixth-caste/) being libertarians.

    • Edenist whackjob says:

      The universalist scale above starts at selfishness, goes toward altruism, and finishes at realism. The last one is the hardest to pull off because it requires clear-thought.

      Selfishness is clarity about one’s own needs (get paid, get laid). Altruism is clarity about the fairness of the universe (live and let live). Realism is the right blend of the two.

      Heaviside will of course now accuse me of gamma TMness for my endless and useless theory-mongering :) Which is welcome, we all need correction sometimes.

    • Regarding Tex: it’s best to think of him as a sort of L. Ron Hubbard. I think Spirit Bear nailed it if I recall correctly. I’ve been kind of puzzled by the extent to which people actually take him seriously or not. I’ve always taken him with a grain of salt, but probably not nearly as much as I should have.

      I always knew he was making up a lot of stuff out of thin air because of familiarity with classical civilization and various things that he obviously just made up and provided no source for. I should have said more about this sooner, but I wasn’t sure the extent to which people were taking him seriously. I mean, yeah he’s certainly not wrong about everything; and he’s often right for the wrong reasons. Very entertaining to read; but truth is mixed with falsehood. He’s a mythmaker or sci-fi writer type, but who insists on calling his largely fictional writings nonfiction– and can often be right about general trajectories of trends, large concepts, etc. But he it is a mythological-analogical way of being correct about tendencies and patterns, and if you think that much or most of what he says is true in a historical or empirical sense, that’s mistaken.

      I think those of us who’ve believed in Edenism to a significant extent have to admit that it’s in the same ballpark as scientology. Not quite as crazy, and not all of it, but it is basically a man made religion based on sci-fi. Just as scientologists have an interesting core of being opposed to bad psychiatry, Edenism has a core of being opposed to leftism. Additionally it has some positive core stuff like the basics of Thal admixture, some accurate racial/phrenological knowledge etc.

      It’s kind of like a real neopaganism. People can’t actually believe in Thor or Zeus, or harpies, gorgons etc. these days, but they can believe in Melonheads and Starchildren and Thals.

      I may be exaggerating this to an extent, but it seems a necessary corrective. Like Tex’s writings, the truth is hopelessly mixed with falsehood– and so exaggeration-vs-understatement is hard to discern.

      Additional examples: remember when the super-Thal guy, confirmed by DNA didn’t actually seem very much like what a super-Thal “should be,” or what about various members who have DNA testing but not all that high in the percentile rankings? There is just too consistent of a pattern of clinging to the mythos despite external evidence, and fitting fact to theory rather than vice-versa.

      • Additionally, checked Koanic’s page just a second ago, and one of Tex’s replies to a comment is:

        “As many people have observed long before I was born, once people are introduced to any idea that flatters their vanity, no amount of contradictory information will ever dissuade them from believing otherwise. A tsunami of contrary information won’t budge them an inch.”

        Is this applicable to Edenism and Tex himself?

        “It flatters the vanity of Homo Sapiens to tell himself he exterminated the Neanderthal and gang-raped the women because he was superior to them and it was his divine right. Someday when he in turn is exterminated perhaps then near the end he will consider other perspectives. Until then, there is zero point in me having any kind of interaction with said people. They want to challenge your assumptions not because of what they believe to be true but rather they are heavily invested in what they do not want to discover is false.”

        Most “homo sapiens,” don’t know about edenism, the thought of their ancestors having gang-raped other Neanderthals never crosses their mind. Tex also seems more personally invested in his own “divine right” of sorts than your average person. In other words, this seems more like projection.

      • Edenist whackjob says:

        LRH is a good analogy, yes. The funny thing about Scientology is that a lot of it actually makes sense and is “right for the wrong reasons”, as you say (main example: the tone scale).

        Re: people who look like Thals and are highly Thal, I know two anecdotal examples where that turned out to be the case once they did 23andme. It was the deep set eyes that led me to predict it, though, none of them have the occipital bulge.

        I think the whole “Thals are special and their genes live on today” is the strongest part of the mythos. The whole bit about ancient civilizations, gene-engineered spear-chuckers, the fall of Atlantis, etc? I dunno about that, it seems one step removed from talking about Xenu. Although, there IS a lot of weirdness going on with archaeology and head-binding around the world.

      • Edenist whackjob says:

        Tex’s own “birth myth” (the bit about becoming a genius after being dropped in bleach, or whatever it was) reminds me of Swedish serial killer Peter Mangs, who is an aspie and believed that a “trepanation” he had done as a child made him into a genius.

        I myself even have a similar birth-myth-leading-to-my-genius thing that I half-believe, although I won’t say what it is because it’s very rare and so decreases the entropy of my online signature a lot :)

      • Edenist whackjob says:

        ‘Most “homo sapiens,” don’t know about edenism, the thought of their ancestors having gang-raped other Neanderthals never crosses their mind. Tex also seems more personally invested in his own “divine right” of sorts than your average person. In other words, this seems more like projection.’

        A psychologist would probably talk about some kind of inferiority complex.

        I feel bad criticizing Tex. I really like his style of writing and the world would be cooler if his theories were true.

        The reason I do it: my own sanity.

      • Edenist whackjob says:

        The tone scale: http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.nz/pages/tone-scale-characteristics.html

        For some reason, this just strikes me as being mostly right.

      • Edenist whackjob says:

        Some anecdotal evidence:

        My former boss looked like an arch-melon, and behaved like one.

        My current boss (and most of my work mates) look super thal (both deep sock and occipitals) and act accordingly. Of course, it could just be that they are all dolicocephalic Nordics, and that’s what does it.

        I generally get along very well with people who have the “Thal look”, and I get antsy around people with the Melon look. Their words seem shallow and slippery.

        Of course, this could all be learned association from 3 years of Edenist craziness.

      • Edenist whackjob says:

        4.0 on the tone scale seems to describe someone with good hormones, visual thinking, good immune system, a rational set of beliefs, no limiting/false beliefs, and a healthy amygdala. Relates to that whole “cleanliness” bit that Aeoli was talking about.

      • Edenist whackjob says:

        Hmm, I think I see why that tone scale thing makes sense. It basically starts with 4.0 as an ideal stipulated state, and then subtracts a little bit from that at each lower level. It’s easy to think that each level is actually written down from empirical experience.

        So it’s basically something akin to a tautology.

        Maybe there is a similar thing at work in Edenism. “Thal” is defined as some ideal state, and “Cro-Magnon” is basically the same thing but with a minus sign.

  8. Edenist whackjob says:

    Speaking of guitar, it would be cool to deconstruct what it means to play with “feeling”.

    I have gotten a lot of positive comments on my ability to improvise on guitar. I also think it sounds pretty darn good myself. So based on that evidence, I’d say I’m a good guitarist.

    The method I used to develop my “feeling” is very simple: I play a twelve bar blues rhythm, and I play phrases on top of that. This allows me to practice rhytm and phrasing at the same time, and apparently it’s worked very well. It´s also very meditative for some reason.

    I, of course, miss out on the aspect of harmony. I think it would be very good to start jamming with a bassist, for this very reason. Ie I have a drummer/metronome in my head at this point, but not a melodic counterpoint.

    Melodically, I try to bridge the “blues” sound with the “classical” sound, because that’s what I just think sounds objectively best. Fire meets ice, you might say. The solos in Mr Crowley and Ride the lightning are good examples of what I mean.

    Phrasing-wise, I *suspect* it’s the same region of my brain at work that also allows me to produce good writing. It certainly feels a bit like I am “playing a story” on the fretboard.

    (I might post some of my jamming, but I´d have to make sure there were no hidden Exif tags in the data first.)

    • Edenist whackjob says:

      Possible exercise: try to translate a metal solo into words. If I’m right about the phrasing center, it should come out as a kind of poem.

      • Edenist whackjob says:

        Having musical notes carry semantic meaning like this would also explain the emergence of language. Infants seem to learn a lot from the “tone of voice” of what is being said, before they grasp the words as words.

        Music as a pre-cursor to language? Interesting. That would make metal music into a blend of harsh existentialism, and occasional forays into paradise (if we are talking the kind of music that Metallica plays, at least).

        Another corollary: maybe a lot of the problems of multiculturalism occur because different tribes have different “tones of voice”? Ie you can hear that Swedes are detached, logical, universalist, a bit cold, just from listening to them. And of course a Stockholmer sounds more snobbish, whereas someone from the countryside sounds more down to earth (especially the Norrland region – Scanians are too mixed up with the anarchist Danish).

        This MIGHT just be learned associations, but I think not. I think there is some kind of deeper “geometry” being expressed. Ie a certain person “sounds” K-selected and trustworthy because the “phrasing” of their brain works that way. Another person you just want to get away from – they are playing some atonal cacophony and trying to cover it up with auto-tune, but it still triggers a sensitive amygdala.

    • aufeis says:

      Do you listen to Flamenco? It’s Gypsy Blues, where the dominant chord is major II (chromatic, 1/2 step from I) rather than V. Much metal can be found there. Check out Rondenas (it’s one of several forms) by tomatito or Paco de Lucia. I envy you your first listen if you don’t know these already. Peace.

  9. Edenist whackjob says:

    Insights:

    To be a genius, you must be able to think big thoughts, and also believe in them.

    Ie it’s not enough to be able to conceive of something like statistics or functional programming, you also have to believe they say something worthwhile about reality.

    (Not saying those are true genius topics, I just didn’t want to write $insert_genius_topic)

    I suspect smart women often lack this sense of the worthwhileness of ideas. So they might see the dim outline of a great idea, but not really pursue it because they have a different evolutionary strategy (acquire resources by jumping through hoops (ie become a really smart gatherer), have babies) than do male geniuses (who have abstracted away the whole baby-making business).

  10. Edenist whackjob says:

    You should also give a set of keys to Heaviside. And possibly some more people, but that’s one who jumps out to me as having a bunch of delicious thoughts that I want to read.

  11. Edenist whackjob says:

    Random aphorism:

    Thals are people who walk around with their mental maps held up in front of their faces. They keep falling into potholes but blame it on a lack of dedication to the maps. If lost in a forest, they won’t really mind, and they will get to work drawing up a map to get out of there.

    Melons don’t follow maps. They just seem to “know” where to go for the good stuff. If asked, they can of course draw you a clear diagram of how to get from here to the candy store (it will be a map with no extra fluff added – think Swedish design). If lost in a forest, they will light a bon fire and make out with some nymphs.

    Croms stumble around with crude crayon drawings they cribbed from the melon above, or they just follow the old cow-path which everyone uses. If lost in a forest, they are likely to be eaten by a grue.

  12. Edenist whackjob says:

    Something I’ve been thinking a lot about: how social status influences intelligence.

    I’ll use Indian coders as an example. They are typically seen as drones in software, good for routine work, but unsuitable for high-level work:

    Here’s my theory: it’s not only raw processing power that determines your intelligence. The expression of your intelligence is also determined by social status. Someone who self-identifies as inferior will not think thoughts to completion, but will rather stop and ask for permission. Such a person will see dim outlines of bigger ideas but will think they are “above his pay-grade” and so not expend the effort. Think brain fog induced by group think (which is a subset of the status-think I am describing here).

    It’s like problems of a certain magnitude become “gods of the mind”, monolithic concepts that one dares not try and pick apart or evolve. One can think up to a certain level, but then one gets stuck on a final level of abstraction. To reason beyond that level, one needs to ask a higher-up. There is some lingering sense of being in a box, of being rigid. I suspect Political Correctness uses this mechanism to stifle thought.

    Now, coders in the West can, as we know, ask for more money because they can, in essence, think for themselves. They can explore a tree of thoughts and find the most suitable branch. They don’t need to have The Correct Way To Do This spelled out in detail, because they’re motivated to find it themselves.

    In PUA terms, the Indian coders are needy Nice Guys waiting for approval while the Western coders are unpredictable alphas. Guess who gets the girls?

    Another point: it’s a common trope that geniuses are asexual and have little interest for mating rituals. I think it goes like this: not interested in sex -> main reason for playing status-games falls away -> free to use all mental powers for computation, without having a set “problem-solving pay-grade” -> win. I think chastity vows are an attempt to get the same effect (credit for that idea goes to RAW in Prometheus Rising).

    Now, in reality, there might indeed be differences in raw processing power between Indians and whites. I just wanted to use “Indian coders” as a device for illustrating my theory that social status influences intelligence a lot.

    I’ll also add that I have experiential knowledge of this. I’ve been the “Indian coder”* earlier in my career, when I was suffering social anxiety and participating in office politics (or rather just trying to avoid having them impact me). I was quite rigid and dull at what I did (although my crystallized intelligence was very good – ie knowledge of syntax and such). And, one more thing, I was always trying to be clever and impress some imaginary person with my code. Which in my case led to a penchant for over-abstraction. Ie I was socially influenced in my job, instead of focusing on pure problem-solving. (Often the very best coders achieve this kind of Zen balance between abstraction and concretion. They sometimes just write an ugly bash script where a midwit would factor the app as 20 classes and use a bunch of design patterns just for the sake of being clever.)

    * I’m Scandinavian, for you racialists out there.

    • Edenist whackjob says:

      To a mid-wit, status is one of those “monolithic concepts of the mind”.

      Status is near and obviously important to figure out, while math and programming are far and something specialized nerds do.

      The solution is to dethrone status and make it just another “commodity problem”, something that’s not really worthy of attention. Certainly not worthy enough to influence your thoughts (mid-wits are notorious for clinging to ideas because they give them status).

      • Edenist whackjob says:

        As you can probably figure out by now, a lot of these writings can be seen as my own debugging stack traces (think “print-outs of the internal state of a failing program you are trying to improve”).

      • Edenist whackjob says:

        To a highly intelligent person, physics is important because it lets you understand the 3d engine we are walking around in, and so holds the keys to understanding basically everything. Math is important because it lets you formalize thoughts and string them together in systems. Programming is important because it lets you give “intelligence” to things (albeit a left-brain, idiot savant kind of intelligence).

        Status? Status is just something to do with social anthropologists, and those are far down the food chain of science. Status is not a data-type, it’s just a label to insert into a snapshot of a social situation. It’s certainly not some essential quality that sticks around.

      • Heaviside says:

        >To a highly intelligent person, physics is important because it lets you understand the 3d engine we are walking around in, and so holds the keys to understanding basically everything. Math is important because it lets you formalize thoughts and string them together in systems.

        Interior design also helps you understand the spaces that we walk around in, and in a much more practical fashion. Physics and mathematics only help you understand the aspects of the world that are physical and mathematical. What does Pontryagin duality or the shape tensor have to do with formalizing thoughts? Most thoughts aren’t about the relationships between quantities and shapes, which are very abstract objects. For millennia most people didn’t even know how to do multiplication and they got along just fine.

        I think this assumes that all reality just boils down to mathematics and physics, and that thoughts are just abstractions built on top of this, so therefore if someone is thinking about what colour cushions to buy they are really solving a physics problem at a very high level of abstraction, which is nonsense.

  13. Edenist whackjob says:

    On-topic, for once:

    Ergo-Log is a great site to throw in your feed reader.

    http://www.ergo-log.com/

    Example of useful study they made me aware of recently: http://www.ergo-log.com/wheypreorpost.html

  14. Edenist whackjob says:

    Just listened to this podcast: http://www.knowledgeformen.com/podcast-grant-cardone-2nd/

    If we buy into the Eden mythology, Cardone strikes me as very melony.

    Some notes:

    -His goals in life are clearly reality management (creating an identity for himself and a legacy around that) and family

    -Sounds smarter than he really is. Imagine a “cro-mag” saying the same things – it would fall flat. If you listen to what he actually says, there is no real content beyond “work hard and take risks”. He even says as much at one point (“look, man there is no magic sauce”) yet he still manages to come out sounding smart.

    -Has no check on ambition. Admits to wanting a billion dollars.

    -Gets a bit defensive when Tony Robbins is mentioned. “Oh OK”, then launches into a spiel about how Robbins is also a cool guy, kind of (“yeah, he’s a really great marketer”). With the subtext that Cardone is obviously the coolest one.

    -Success has basically come down to hard work. Admits to having done hundreds of thousands of sales calls. Melons have a lot of belief in themselves, and accept a lot of pain.

    -Delusional charisma. At the end I could tell the podcast host was not so thrilled and just wanted to get it over with. Cardone thought it went really well and wanted to come on and do it again sometime soon.

    • Edenist whackjob says:

      Another thing I picked up:

      -The podcast is called “Knowledge for men”. Now, the podcast host probably didn’t even reflect on the choice of name for his show. He has a mental map which says (accurately so) that men are the ones in need of knowledge and help in today’s situation. Obviously. It’s just a given. Not so for Cardone. He lacks this mental map, and makes a much simpler association (think Jimmy Kimmel Show). And this association becomes something to latch on to, to somewhat humorous effect (you’ll hear him make manly grunting noises throughout the episode).

  15. Edenist whackjob says:

    An observation:

    If we view human society the same way we would view an animal population, what are the biggest psychic stressors? What is the human equivalent of $insert_environmental_switch_that_makes_salmon_swim_upstream or $insert_thing_that_makes_bears_migrate?

    In my view, there are two big psychic stressors:

    1) The sexual revolution

    2) Multi-culturalism

    (We could add Mass Media, but I think it’s more or less just a channel for the two above things).

    The sexual revolution makes us feel that we are in perma-mating mode. We are salmon fish swimming upstream ALL THE TIME, not just once per year.

    Multi-culturalism makes us feel like we have no place to call home, like we are surrounded by strangers at all times. If enough grizzly bears get into brown bear territory, the latter ones will want to up and move to a place where there is less stress.

    Now, imagine that you´re a fish or a bear and there’s a life-like hologram following you around and constantly showing you images of 1) mating opportunities that are juuust out of reach or 2) dangers that are plausible but not so plausible that you snap and start to fight the hologram right then and there. That’s the Mass Media.

  16. Edenist whackjob says:

    RAM dump:

    On Discernment:

    Discernment is the thing that lets you make calls for yourself.

    Imagine seeing a news story about multiculturalism. Then one on $insert_sjw_issue_du_jour. Which one is actually most important?

    Most likely, you don’t actually KNOW. You just defer to your subculture’s alternate reality.

    Now, not all alternate realities are created equal. What drives you to fringe ones IS a sense of Discernment. You want to make yourself more sane, but lacking your own ability to make judgements you need to join up with a tribe of people who can confirm that your lying eyes are correct. But, then they start adding a crap ton of mental artefacts onto the original simple nuggets of truth.

    But imagine if you could stand on your own two legs and think thoughts, WITHOUT any need for alternate reality.

    The amygdala is our hell-sensor. It tells us what is hellish and what is divine.

    If the amygdala does not work, ugly things don’t bother us anymore. And since ugly things are usually easier to get involved with, we descend into a pig-stye.

    Why do women often take it as a personal affront when you use logic against them?

    Because women fear reality. Why do they fear it? Because it takes away their power. What is their power? Their sense of mystique, that there is something ineffable about them, which means they should not have to obey the laws of reasons, and just get what they want because they want it. (There are genuine feminine mysteries, like creating a new life, but our culture has taken them away from women as bargaining-chips).

    Women speak of things in couched terms, several thoughts removed and wrapped in velvet. If a women really hates another women, she might go full nuclear and tell her the truth about matters. But she does so like it’s a lovecraftian spell she is evoking – it’s a scary thing for her.

    So, to women, reality is a whip. And only sadists like whipping people.

    Men: there are problems out there to be solved. Let’s go solve them.

    Woman: I am the problem. Come and solve me.

    The problem with aspies: they don’t tolerate differences in concretion and abstraction in a system.

    Imagine you need to reconcile two thoughts. One is very concrete and the other one is very abstract.

    The aspie will want to level everything down to the same level of abstraction, to keep things neat and systemized.

    Of course, this requires expanding the taxonomy to cover all kinds of intermediate states so that we can plug the concrete thought and the abstract thought into the same system. The result: epicycles upon epicycles. You end up with 20 classes instead of 2.

    Programmers are a very good model for this, because you see this exact failure mode very clearly at the intermediate levels. Advanced programmers bridge levels of abstraction with minimum fuss (see also, leaky abstraction: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaky_abstraction)

    See more on degrees of programmer capability here: https://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2013/04/22/gervais-macleod-23-the-shodan-programmer/ (I suspect, but cannot prove yet, that the ranking system can be expanded to cover the application of intelligence in general)

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  18. Alright, here’s a bit more:

    -The whole Edenist mythology is largely a delusion, but contains some truths. Neanderthals certainly existed. They were probably quite creative and intelligent. Melonheads may or may not have existed, what appear to be “melonheads,” may just be advanced homo sapiens phenotypes. In any case, the whole mythology thing is way exaggerated in general. The mythmaking stuff can be fun, and maybe even useful, but you’ve got to know that that’s what you’re doing. We’ve got to draw sharper distinctions between the categories of:
    a.) what we know to be almost certainly the case (historically, scientifically)
    b.) what is reasonable speculation based upon evidence
    c.) what is wild conjecture that may be true, but that we don’t have nearly enough evidence to confirm
    d.) what is wild conjecture that is fun to think about, but that is probably not true, or at least probably will never be able to be confirmed as true
    e.) what is wild conjecture that is almost certainly not true, and that we should be kicking ourselves for ever having taken seriously

    At present, a).-e). are all mixed together in the same narrative. If Edenism will get good, it sort and distinguish.
    —-

    Neanderthals are humans, as are homo-sapiens, as are melonheads. They can interbreed, there are no purebreds these days. Superiority complex is stupid. There is one human species even if there are different races/subspecies. Intelligence and creativity do not equal moral worth. God loves dumb people too. Just because earthly egalitarianism is false and all men have differing mental capacities does not mean that smart creatives are better than dumb people. I know plenty of dumb people who try really hard to be good, and often succeed.

    Superiority complex also makes you stupid– not low IQ– but brilliantly stupid. I will take a very simple “dumb sapiens” who tries (possibly ineptly, but nonetheless sincerely) to be good over a “superior Thal,” whose main topic of discussion is his own superiority.

    This has gotten better over time, but at its worst the “Thal superiority complex” was pretty bad, and it still could be better.

    ——

    The idea that different “species” (which are not actually different species) have different moralities is stupid. It is partially morally relativistic, partly biologically reductionistic, and tinged with nihilism. There is one single objective morality. Customs and tendencies can vary among different subspecies to an extent, just as they can among different nations; but there is an objectively existing moral law created by God that all customs and mores must conform to if they are to be moral.

    In sum: Edenism and the general moral ethos connected to Edenist circles is too tinged with moral relativism and has a terribly flawed understanding of the relationship of biology to morality. Yes biology and morality are interconnected, but the way the Edenist ethos connects them is flawed and tends towards nihilism.

    —–

    Connected to moral relativism, there is a tendency away from objective truth and towards a relativistic multiple truths kind of thingy. Keeping in mind that I think the two-letter designations are flawed and mixed in with much more dross than silver (but nonetheless near-hopelessly, not completely hopelessly flawed):

    So many descriptions of the types are about how a given type tends to see or react to another given type– since Koanic started Edenism, much of it is MT perception based, a lot is TT based. This got better over time, and the originally ridiculous caricatures of MMs and TMs got better, but nonetheless so much of it is still mixed up.

    There is this idea that there is “my truth vs your truth,” and a blurring of the distinction between objective reality and subjective perception of reality. There’s an undercurrent of this is the TT way of seeing things vs the MT vs the TM vs MM vs the “sapiens” etc.– and that there’s no hope trying to come to an objective understanding of what all can agree on, or on what is true and objective no matter your interpretation. In praxis, subjectivity has too much sway, and facts are made to fit theories way too often.

    Okay I’m getting a little redundant, hopefully the point is made.

    • Edenist whackjob says:

      I think you deserve a set of keys to the place, too.

      A quick list based on your categorization:

      a) Neanderthal DNA carries some special stuff

      b) there is more to a) than currently known

      c) melonheads, starchildren

      d) the “ancient civilizations” bit, melonheads arranging for the genocide of thals, aliens dipping into the gene pool

      e) ???

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