Posting break until Monday

Too much excitement expected this weekend.

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34 Responses to Posting break until Monday

  1. Edenist whackjob says:

    Aeoli getting laid?

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      It’s funny you guys ask this, because on my way out of Indiana I went drinking with some coworkers as a goodbye party. One of them was there explicitly for the purpose of having no-strings-attached sex with me, and I had to explain to her (quite awkwardly as I was quite intoxicated) that although I’m not a very good Christian, I’m still a Christian and I can’t have sex before marriage.

      So no, but almost.

  2. Edenist whackjob says:

    3D matrix for life hacks I came up with: melon or thal, psychotic or normal, eccentric or vanilla.

    -Thals want to give you information. Step by step. Melons want to energize. Quality and spirit. Puzzles vs principles.

    -Psychotic topics are outside most everyone’s radar and/or socially unacceptable (ie you have to really want to reach for the forbidden shelf of books, or discover a new one). Normal topics are not. A psychotic writer makes you think about familiar things in a new way, or introduces completely new things. Or, think of this as the inverse common-sense axis.

    -Eccentric vs vanilla. This is about the delivery as well as perception. Think of this axis as the “price” of the concrete thing being presented. Something with high eccentricity is very rare and pricy, whereas something vanilla is a staple commodity. Think of this axis as “seems psychotic”. Or dopamine vs serotonin (possibly).

    Thal/psychotic/eccentric: Tim Ferriss stuff. Very specific (“take 300 mg of this supplement”) and usually obscure oddball stuff. I would put a lot of my recommendations in here as well, at least when they pertain to concrete “science” (so, penis enlargement for instance). This is the result of someone who is an info-hipster AND cares a lot about what works.

    Melon/psychotic/eccentric: Koanic’s koan stuff. I can also think like this natively (a lot of my Game advice is in this category). This is almost like poetry or spells, but weaponized to gain a concrete advantage. It is all about cutting down idealist thought to the smallest components that can be put together in order to energize one’s mental and corporeal being. It’s about using words and images to gain energy. So, it’s eccentric because it’s kind of a wizard activity. Archetypes, essences, energies.

    Thal/psychotic/vanilla: Mike from I see his project as being, at the core, about deprogramming “slave morality” (he has mentioned this explicitly, although it’s not front-and-center) via proven methods that actually work if you do them consistently (most of his stuff is “obvious” stuff, with no flash (although to be fair, a lot of it is medium-eccentricity depending on your starting point)).

    Melon/psychotic/vanilla: I would put that “Eyes of the owl guy” in this category. It’s about energizing the reader about topics that one would normally think about in that way (see his recent post on blood lines). The delivery is very enjoyable and smooth, not a razor sharp samurai sword stream of consciousness like Koanic does. The topics are still out there, though. A mainstream example would be Robert Greene.

    Thal/normal/eccentric: They show you how to do normal, common-sense things but in cool/funny ways. Usually they have to do with software, gadgets or methods. If to do with social, very protocol/rule-oriented.

    Melon/normal/eccentric: Ramit Sethi. Most of his stuff is very common-sense, but he packages it in a way that makes you go “ooooh! cool!” His project is about making fickle, emotional readers do right, logical action.

    Thal/normal/vanilla: your deepsock Dad who teaches you the importance of telling the truth.

    Melon/normal/vanilla: a salesman who teaches a seminar on selling techniques. Goers leave feeling very energized, but haven’t really learned much. Still, if they apply the simple concepts, they will probably raise their income.

    • Edenist whackjob says:

      Some sources are of course a mix. Good Looking Loser, for instance, is Thal/psychotic/eccentric (supplements, PE) and Melon/normal/eccentric (game) with the occasional Thal/psychotic/vanilla (mindset, performance).

      • Edenist whackjob says:

        Maybe one could then define a fourth dimension, which is the “shape” of the blog as spread between different archetypes. This would be good to know if trying to start a blog oneself, and needing to differentiate.

      • Edenist whackjob says:

        Hmmm. Did some trial matches to see if the model holds up.

        KrauserPUA: ingenopath/psychotic/novelty (so, in same category as Tim Ferriss)

        Wall St Playboys: salesman/psychotic/liking (so, same as “Eyes of the owl”)

        Strength by Sonny: salesman/non-psychotic/novelty (Ramit Sethi)


        1) matches are not really spot-on, their category siblings don’t feel that closely related
        2) it’s hard to put these cleanly into the axes, feels like medium in a lot of cases

        Oh well, back to the thinking board. Still, it would be cool to create some kind of “blogprint” that one could use to categorize and model stuff with.

    • Koanic says:

      Good job. Compile and post on forum. Eventually can be a canonical altrugenics post. Samurai sword out.

      • Aeoli Pera says:

        Note for EW: I’ve already compiled and posted your Game stuff on the forum. Do you want a copy?

      • Edenist whackjob says:

        “Note for EW: I’ve already compiled and posted your Game stuff on the forum. Do you want a copy?”

        I never cease to be amazed at how you people latch on to random strangers’ writings. If it sounds good, it must be true.

        Sure, give me a copy.

    • Koanic says:

      Oh yeah, who is eyes of owl guy?

  3. Edenist whackjob says:

    Random thought: having a grumpy/anhedonic mind drives one to sharper thoughts. One’s general disposition to life, down to how much enjoyment one gets out of food, affects cognition. Hedonicness is inversely related to stringency.

    If one is generally easygoing and happy with life, one will accept ideas that are 85% good. Why expend energy to delve further? Life is good. Why eat a steak when a Happy Meal is pretty tasty? Mmmmm, burger…. *Homer drools*

    If one is pissed and miserable (AND not catatonic), a 99% good idea will be seen as unacceptable, and the search will go on for the 100% perfect idea. Ughh, that steak was a little too dry and my taste buds don’t trigger a lot of dopamine anyway.

    There is also a temporary novelty boost (mental salivation), so a 99% idea might seem like a 100% idea in the moment.

    This explains Koanic’s constant search for the next Koan That Will Solve Everything. Cycles of discontent, sharpening of ideas, eureka, and disillusionment.

    • Edenist whackjob says:

      Hypothesis: the mechanism that allows you to “close the loop” on thoughts and declare “yes, that thought is good, I’ll stick with that” is the same one that gives you satisfaction with life, food, etc.

      Content types can still develop as thinkers, but they’ll have to find another motivation for doing so than dissatisfaction. Think of rustic redneck types who might be motivated by simpler things, like figuring out how to get rid of thermites or do fishing more efficiently, or something like that.

      To do philosophy, they’ll probably need a sparring-partner. Make it into a game.

      • Edenist whackjob says:

        Would Koanic be Koanic without his misfortunes? Or would he be busy banging Asian chicks, his koanic stacks running on full fire all night long?

        That raises a corollary: if we want to get well, we need to find positive motivations to keep thinking. Otherwise we might not allow ourselves to get there.

    • Koanic says:

      Or it could just be that koans are super hard new field. And also intended to evolve with personal growth.

      • Aeoli Pera says:

        I didn’t know that. I figured you were just reverse engineering the machinery of Zen Buddhism for new inputs/outputs.

      • Edenist whackjob says:

        I’ve been doing “koans” (NLP spells, is how I seem them) for like a decade, too, so don’t take my words as an attack. I understand the difficulty, is more like it.

        Right now my stance is more like this: koans are a sign that you cannot calculate the right answer at the right moment. Koans are an attempt to compress your exobrain/info-scaffold and carry it with you at all times. Better to be able to calculate the right answers on the fly. No forms, not even koans.

        I’ve saved most of my major koans over the years. I could post them if you’re into such wankery.

      • Koanic says:

        You smoke a lot of weed. That’s cheating.

  4. Edenist whackjob says:

    Aeoli, what’s your opinion on evolution?

    I am trying to run the simulation in my head and “see” evolution. Just can’t get it to click. I can see breeding – going from wolf to dog perhaps. I can’t see going from species to species. Although I *can* kind of see going from monkey to human. Maybe humans are bred creatures?

    Funny how the mind’s eye works.

    Btw, evolution is like undirected breeding. When you think about it, there’s no difference really. If evolution can create a dog from $insert_mouse_create_from_dinosaur_era, then intelligent breeding should be able to do the same. If there are limits to human-directed breeding, how can evolution accomplish those seemingly magical feats? If anything, controlled breeding should be able to get there much faster.

    I guess the obvious counterpoint is that evolution works during millions of years. Which then must mean that the step from wolf to dog is so much much smaller than the step from rat to dog, that even if human breeding is 100x faster, it would still take tens of thousands of years.

    • Edenist whackjob says:

      One day, we might be able to simulate DNA as a computer program, along with an environment that provides a realistic environmental pressure (or just skip the environment and select for intelligence genes directly). Then we could just run evolution for billions of years and see what it comes up with. Skip running the whole natural+sexual selection thing in meatspace.

    • Edenist whackjob says:

      If not evolution, then what? The world seems to be older than 6000 years.

      Could it be that the reality is more like micro-evolution (ie breeding) with periodid interventions by some force to push new material into the system? So you would go from rat to $next_version_animal in one generation.

      Then they would hang around for several hundred thousand years getting slightly better (but only within the framework of genetic material, and the occasional mutation (which I don’t really buy is a beneficial thing, but that’s another story)) until the next load of firmware upgrades.

      That then raises the question: why would TPTB who ran this thing wait so long between iterations? Maybe because they run on a different time-scale? Maybe one Scrum sprint is 100 000 years in our time?

      • Edenist whackjob says:

        Or… it could be that there is some kind of hidden superpower that lies dormant in animals, that lets them peek at the next section of the DNA hologram, and go to the next reel.

        Maybe we humans have that ability also? Spontaneous macro-evolution across single generations. And by macro-evolution I mean that there is significant new material added (and no, single mutations don’t count in my opinion).

        This would also mean that all possible life is encoded somewhere and we can tap into that.

        Kind of like a video game where you can go through the .dat files and see stuff that won’t be unlocked until the next patch.

        Or maybe it’s just the CBD oil I am on right now doing the talking…

    • Edenist whackjob says:

      I really like the concept of applying distortion ratio to sentences. I’m at 1.2 for that statement, I guess.

      • Edenist whackjob says:

        This would explain the appeal of Tex: he’s “one of us” (ie not a marketeer) but he still makes these grand statements with full certainty. It’s the equivalent of Larry the engineer, our cubemate, running up to us and saying he invented cold fusion on the lunch break. Since he’s one of us, and we take stuff seriously, we get sold.

        But then that would also mean that if Tex is neither a nerd or a marketeer, then the only option is insane. The Tex trilemma?

      • Edenist whackjob says:

        Corollary: people who stay at 1 all the time are very worth keeping around. Like being in tune.

  5. Edenist whackjob says:

    Insight: the guy who runs Chateau Heartiste (if it still is a single guy) is a bit of a gamma. I’m not 100% sure about that, it’s more of an intuition.


    Really high verbal intelligence

    Very good emotional intelligence, understands micro-subtleties in “frame” and how to position things (frame: who the boss is of an interaction, whose reality gets the benefit of the doubt (this is btw also why the ultimate frame in my view IS reality, it can’t get subverted))

    Machiavellianism, sees reality as status, hierarchies, signalling

    Loves in-jokes, puns, references, bit of a hipster

    Understands the feminine on a deep level – think “introverted intuition”

    Fanboy (every post now is about Trump)

    Very bitter toward women

    Very snarky

    Favorite type of game is text game with subtle power-plays

    Aloofness is a really favored thing (gammas have this thing about hiding themselves and who they are from the world, scheming in secret)

    Thinks he’s really clever – witness all the posts about IQ, and also all the constant little references and puns are a way of signalling cleverness

    Just strikes me as gamma. A right-wing extremist gamma, but isn’t that kind of the most hipster thing you can do? He probably does get laid significantly more than the typical gamma, but I would not guess that he has success in proportion to the amount of material he produces.

    I have experiential knowledge of being like that, btw, as I have had many of those traits myself (although recovering currently, I hope).

    It’s easy to hook women’s interest with this kind of gamma game, especially smarter women, but it’s harder to close the deal. By “gamma game”, I mean lots of verbosity, the interaction is seen as a constant power struggle, the hostility is not overt and happens through subtle maneuvers, everything is about knocking the woman off balance,

    How does one acquire such game? Through writing to a lot of chicks.

    Here’s a clue: why are there not a lot of sex tips on the blog?

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