Evopsych is important but it is very limited

Roosh recently decided, after great experience with women of all kinds, that female sexual behavior can’t really be described by evopsych. Because condoms and such.

I’ll do ya a way easier proof. Watch and learn, kids.

There are people who are really into rubber. I don’t mean a little bit, I mean that in the sense that “the internet is a big, strange world”. The wiki is fairly tame if you need context. Rubber clothing is a very recent development in human history. This contradicts the fundamental premise of sexual evopsych. QED by counterexample.

I see some of you looking for holes. The obvious counterargument is that the rubber fetish is merely a perversion of a natural instinct. This is self-refuting: a perversion is still a strong influence on sexual behavior not explained by evopsych. A less obvious counterargument is that fetishism is a general phenomenon described by evopsych, and rubber fetishism is merely one particular artifact. I actually don’t have a concise response to that at the moment, except to point out that this is another symptom of the explosion principle. Maybe I’ll leave that one to the reader.

In any case, the reader is probably wondering how this affects them, and whether this post will have any interesting and enlightening content. I have something for that too.

Consider a person who has a formative sexual experience while smelling something in particular. Perhaps it’s the loss of their virginity. It is not at all surprising to us when this person later becomes immediately aroused at the smell, because smell is strongly connected to memory. But smells don’t always have such a strong recall effect as this, so why is this? It seems that formative sexual experiences create a highly impressionable state of mind, from which we blindly draw very strong associations.

I strongly suspect these associations are where we get fetishes and such. I also think that normal, healthy formative sexual experiences will tend to normalize sexuality, because a person who lacks these healthy experiences still has a mind and body that are trying to transition from one stage to the next. So say a 20-year-old has not lost his virginity- his body and mind will take any vaguely sexual experience as an excuse to force the transition, which is way behind schedule. Then maybe the innocent act of wearing an animal costume for some activity- which normally is only a fun activity and only a vaguely erotic for psychosexually normal folks- could actually corrupt them in a fundamental way.

That’s just an example though, kinks in particular seem to be set in stone much, much earlier in life. There are a lot of things that are vaguely sexual that are overwritten in puberty by normal formative sexual experiences, and simply become kinks. But if they are reinforced, in the absence of normal sexual experiences (perhaps due to anxiety?), then they might become maladaptive fetishes.

Anyway, the evopsyche perspective simply isn’t equipped to analyze all this stuff seriously.

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16 Responses to Evopsych is important but it is very limited

  1. Edenist whackjob says:

    One day science will discover that memories (ie survival strategies) are passed down from generation to generation via some currently unknown mechanism. This will further invalidate the current understanding of evopsych. It will also give ammunition to racists – if you dream of mammoths on a genetic level, while the other guy doesn’t, that makes you so much more different than him.

  2. Edenist whackjob says:

    What I believe it’s doing:

    1) Causing perma-mating behavior. Visual cues that it’s mating season and there is a glut of willing partners. Total r-selection.
    2) Making people into betas, probably by dulling dopamine receptors or shutting off androgen receptors in the brain (see here: http://www.anarchointrovert.com/2015/10/12/why-introverts-must-stop-masturbating/)
    3) Making people more gay. Think about it, watching dicks while pleasing yourself for hours on end is not good from a plasticity POV. Google “nofap hocd” for more on this. I personally do a modified nofap where lesbian porn is allowed. The sneaky porn sites always seem to recommend 1 guy-on-girl clip in the suggestions, though… They always want you to take it to the next level of depravity.
    4) Making people more predatory. Ingraining the expectation of sex with every woman you meet, which leads to creepiness.
    5) Making it really hard for people to have an archetypal view of Man and Woman. Think of The Little Mermaid – the mermaid is archetypal Woman and the Prince is archetypal Man. Porn makes us into beasts – fucker and fuckee. It’s like music today which is very much about Savannah sexuality – fucking, booties, etc. Romance is dead.
    6) People start doing porn stuff in their private bedrooms. A lot of chicks these days are into being dominated. I have to think that is down to porn. Can’t decide if this is porn giving us sick desires, or actually showing us what works in bed. Maybe a bit of both. A guy like Rocco Siffredi obviously understands women’s depraved likings on a deep level, but maybe that cat shouldn’t have been let out of the bag.

    In Prometheus Rising, RAW talks about how celibacy is the way for monks and such to step off the wheel of karma. Being a goody-two-shoes is much easier without sexuality. Sinning for wrath, greed, gluttony, etc, is easier to avoid by reasoning. Sex is the only thing that can truly compete with Spirit and put up a decent fight.

  3. Edenist whackjob says:

    Circuit IV essentially talks about who is cool and who is uncool, and also lays down rules for who is allowed to mate, and how to take care of children. As such it probably runs on dopamine and oxytocin (RAW listed neurochemicals for each Circuit, but left the fourth one out IIRC).

    As such, I wonder if re-imprinting could be done faster by tweaking those chemical in the brain. I’ve been looking into dopamine resensitizing and there seems to be a host of promising compounds. After my Phenibut horror story, I am afraid to tinker too much, though.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      Simple sensory deprivation seems to do the trick for me. It’s not something I do on purpose, but spend a lot of time in quiet, boring places because it’s easy to slow down and focus. Then I step back into civilization, which constantly barrages people with sights and sounds, and it’s like stepping into a Hayao Miyazaki fantasy world.

      Some of the sensations are good but many are bad and disheartening. I’m meeting my mom for breakfast at a Starbucks and the noise and music combination is horrendous. There’s also a giant mural celebrating manual workers in Africa pouring coffee berries from one homemade basket into another and which, like most advertising of the sort, is equally pleasant and trite.

  4. Aeoli Pera says:

    That would be predicted by evopsych, and also common sense which says that condoms take 75% of the goodfeelz out of sex.

  5. Aeoli Pera says:

    >It can be “erased” and then reimprinted if one abstains from sexual contact for an extended period of time.

    That could explain what the no-fap people claim about the urges subsiding after a critical period.

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  7. Personally I expect a lot more odd kinks in Europe’s (and the USA’s) future due to the rising male-surplus gender imbalance caused by the millions of instreaming Muslim men. Not to mention at lot more violence as well.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      I agree. A surplus of horny young men will always lead to violence, just as a surplus of resources will always lead to profligacy.

      • Edenist whackjob says:

        The smarter ones will become daygame PUAs. I think that is already the case in London, but I’ve yet to see it here in Sweden.

        Also, a nice analogy for r/K: r-selection is playing poker with no stakes. Everyone is happy to joke around and try whacky strategies and just be a goof. But add serious money to the mix and you better believe everyone is tightening up. The aggressive people are now in it to win it rather than to show off, and the defensive people just want to keep their money rather than having a good time as before. The crazy ones who keep up the old ways are out of the game fast.

        • Aeoli Pera says:

          Brilliant. Freaking brilliant.

          More to the point, everybody is goofing off and trying to finger each other under the table because you can just laugh it off. The card game isn’t the point, it’s just another excuse people use.

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