Repost: Speculations on antediluvian melonhead religion

I got linked on some muggle blog so I now have to scare off the normies before they get hurt :-P. Or maybe it’s that I don’t have the time or energy to write up a proper post, but I have to get something up with minimal time for editing.


It occurred to me today that the high-class hobby of breeding and training (horses, people, whatever) is not an accident. It’s embarrassing that it took so long, but consider that even today melons are breeding dogs for appearance, pageantry and particular skills displayed in dog shows.

This could explain their psychopathic detachment from out-group people. Imagine if everyone you knew was breeding special-purpose servants from various animals as a hobby. Imagine breeding oxen that could plow the land by instinct and training, without human oversight. If this were your hobby, the attitude of melons toward non-melons is easily explained.

Imagine a world society like that. It even explains why their psychology is shifted toward game theory, politics, and economics. Breeding was their full-time job (the way they supported themselves), a sport, and hobby science. Eat your heart out Hari Seldon, Dr. Moreau’s mule just broke your economic model.

Curiously, the Ashkenazi eugenics process reproduced the psychology seemingly without the emotional instinct to breed animals for fun and profit (or at least collect private zoos full of exotic animals). This is almost exclusively a hhhwhite thing now.

In conjunction with Koanic’s recent foray into hybrid theory (slash madness) this could make sense of a lot.

Even the garden of Eden story makes sense in light of this. Adam and Eve are the remaining melons in a garden full of animals and fruit, and they have dominion over them. But then Eve participates in one of the breeding experiments, even though she’s been instructed not to break this taboo! And Adam follows suit. One of the creations of this black science (Cain, cro magnon) kills the other (Abel, neanderthal). IIRC myth has it that Cain took Abel’s wife for his own.

The presence of God in the story can be explained by the omnipresent myth that genetic scientists “meddle in the realm of God” when they try to create better animals and humans.

So “God” here is probably not Yahweh, but rather the primordial melon religion that prescribed rules and taboos for such behavior. When these melons broke the rules, they were banished. I imagine that melon DNA was considered sacred, and not to be mixed with lower animals even if those animals were bred to be capable of speech.

Interesting. I saw in a program yesterday that the supposedly Christian sign of the cross was endemic to Amerindian religion:

They claimed this treasure map was created by Aztecs, but I think the more likely suspects are the red-haired giants whose remains are found in the remaining North American monoliths.

Anyway, the Aztecs used this hieroglyph to say “tree”. So when Christ died on the cross, he was interacting with that primordial religion in the same way that literature interacts with previous literature! Simply amazing.

Hence also the significance of the “Sephirot” tree to Kabbalah, which appears to be a remnant of what I call the “Babylonian Monolithic Death Cult”.

I presume then that the meanings of all that gibberish correspond to the game theory of genetics.

This might explain the whole sin business too. Because they broke the DNA taboo, all humans subject to the law now carry the taint of it in their DNA. Hence we are all marked for destruction (like genetically diseased cattle or “sheep”) unless we respond to the Christian meme, which possibly triggers some particular sequence indicating we’re worth saving.

This all reminds me of John C. Wright’s series Count to the Eschaton where superintelligent, immortal post-humans engage in memetic warfare in order to breed humans in different directions. Also corresponds to arch-melon Nebuchadnezzar’s second dream about the great tree. Probably also related to Yggdrasil, which I don’t really know anything about.

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39 Responses to Repost: Speculations on antediluvian melonhead religion

  1. Edenist whackjob says:

    I’ve recently had my sanity back. I must say all of this wildly stretches the bounds of feasibility, and flits from one topic to another in a very speculative manner. I guess my AH has shrunk :(

    I need to hone in my rationality and AH to where I can still find crazy ideas groovy, but where I am actually rational enough that I want to *test* them.

    Too crazy: ideas are sticky in brain without verification (cf psychosis where *everything* in environment becomes meaningful)

    Too rational: ideas are not sticky enough in brain to trigger dopamine to go “I want to test that!”

    • Edenist whackjob says:

      Ties into the whole “be 10% crazy, don’t be 500% crazy” thing you posted a few years ago.

      As I said, I am more rational lately, probably the most I’ve ever been since I descended into semi-psychosis almost a decade ago.

      Downsides: less chemical energy, smaller AH, and crappier verbal intelligence (interestingly enough). Upsides: less anxiety, better at solving problems in the real world, better at practical creativity (where “practical” means “come up with a startup idea” for instance).

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      >I’ve recently had my sanity back.

      Congratulations! You’re living the dream.

      >I must say all of this wildly stretches the bounds of feasibility, and flits from one topic to another in a very speculative manner. I guess my AH has shrunk :(

      Alternative explanation: the post explicates a bad theory which is obviously complete bunk.

      >I need to hone in my rationality and AH to where I can still find crazy ideas groovy, but where I am actually rational enough that I want to *test* them.

      Look, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with rationality. Logic was the first academic subject I really loved. But it’s important to recognize that it’s 1) fundamentally incomplete, 2) slow, inefficient, and nearly useless for day-to-day life, and 3) often a distraction from common sense.

      You need to have BOTH instinct and ratio. BOTH. They’re like man and woman, completely sterile without one another.

      • Edenist whackjob says:

        “You need to have BOTH instinct and ratio. BOTH. They’re like man and woman, completely sterile without one another.”

        Mind doing a write-up on that?

        • Aeoli Pera says:

          A quick version: Ratio provides validity, instinct provides soundness.

          Consider any argument form, such as A and B therefore C. Ratio provides the syntax for the conceivable relationships (and, or, therefore, identity) whereas instinct provides the content of the statements. Often you can break down the statements into more fundamental statements like A because X and Y and Z. But this process can’t go on forever- at some point, there needs to be a point where the brain assumes something is either true or false.

  2. fdsfgsfg says:

    Damn you.

    Can confirm I have what seems to be an emotional instinct and attraction toward the idea of breeding animals / people and it seems unusually fun compared to every other things.

    Back then when i was more psychotic I think I found out the exact same idea as you did, that breeding could be used for those purposes, it was one of my “secret things that is not hard to find out but nobody thinks about actually doing or does and that could help you do a fuckton of really big things”

    Imagining such a society I feel comfortable and good, that is why I say it is likely to be an emotional instinct or natural, as opposite to any other kind of society where I don’t feel anything in particular except what i’d expect myself to feel as a reaction to the idea.

  3. Koanic says:

    Garden of Eden story only makes sense in light of Enkidu / Enlil conflict. Read up on it.

  4. Wog Slayer says:

    Just to spread the word:
    Yggdrasil was in Norse mythology the Great World Tree that held every single plain of existence upon it’s eternal branches. It was the central axis of the nordic cosmology where the nine worlds were placed according to their respective location. The darkest and coldest, Niflheimr, at the roots and Asgardr at the highest stable branch. It was simultaneously the analogue to Geb, the Egyptian god of the earth who symbolised the foundation of the ground, and Atlas who bore the weight of the world on his shoulders, yet being unique as an arboreal growth without any anthropomorphic projection. It is not similar in any way to the kabbalah or genesis myth.
    The closest analogue to the biblical creation of humans in this particular mythos would be the birth of Askr and Embla, the first humans from downed tree trunks by the hands of the Æsir.

  5. podrag says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzEWgs9X998 Melons understood the inherent geometry of the universe. This is what allowed them to create such elegantly engineered solutions like the pyramids and the mastery of gravity and also probably some form of hive-mind quantum computing. The tree of life is representative of their ability to distill universal principles into a common language and application. They are cosmic poets, bards, romantics.

    I think the problem with Melons was twofold: first that they began genetic engineering of hominids like themselves and second their inevitable downfall due to resulting indiscretions.

    I imagine Edenic Cro-Magnon actually had a super-exciting Warrior-bro style existence and that they had reasonably high IQs but required relentless Logan’s Run-style turnover to retain these traits in the face of their Homo Saps Rh+ instincts. I’d imagine they were actually really fun and badass actually, which is probably why Eve opened her legs. This idea also reflects in Dante’s Paradiso where every race of man has his own Eden/Paradise that is closer to his core divine ‘oneness’.

    What we have today is a mish mash of Melon/Thal/Cro but what we actually call Cro is not Cro really, it is the result of Cro dysgenic behaviour sexuality run out of control. This is the karma and cycle of slavery and the true is borne upon its masters.

    What we call ‘Melon’ traits are actually just rent-seeking psychopathy traits. What we call ‘Thal’ traits are actually just 3rd rate tinkerers and geeks. What we call ‘Cro’ traits are actually just zombie-ism.

    At their root all of these traits are hardcore traits in perfect tension. In the Kali Yuga they are reflected as malaise and confusion.

    • The Eyes of the Owl says:

      Completely agree. The way we use the terms now likely has very little resemblance to the archetypes from which they spring.

      • Aeoli Pera says:

        The problem is that we haven’t been distinguishing between pre and post-hybrid variants, which is probably an average difference of about 40-80 IQ points.

        • The Eyes of the Owl says:

          Exactly. Arch-, Ur-, Uber-, and all the other distinctions we have for the general archetypes at different points in time are also underutilized.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      “I imagine Edenic Cro-Magnon actually had a super-exciting Warrior-bro style existence and that they had reasonably high IQs but required relentless Logan’s Run-style turnover to retain these traits in the face of their Homo Saps Rh+ instincts. ”

      Post-hybridization, I totally agree. Pre-hybrid, I figure they had very low IQs and therefore tended to be pretty animalistic and nasty.

      “I’d imagine they were actually really fun and badass actually, which is probably why Eve opened her legs.”

      Keep in mind that’s highly speculative.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      “What we have today is a mish mash of Melon/Thal/Cro but what we actually call Cro is not Cro really, it is the result of Cro dysgenic behaviour sexuality run out of control. This is the karma and cycle of slavery and the true is borne upon its masters.”

      This I disagree with. Crom was broken from the beginning in a fundamental way, and his dysgenic social process has continued unabated regardless of conditions.

  6. TE says:

    well see, this is basically how Mormonism started:

    “We’re too smart for Christianity as it’s always been!!! History is boring!!! We don’t have no time for that!!! All Churches are wrong!!! Let’s invent our own religion by piecing together bits and pieces of all sorts of various legends with crap we pull out of our asses and mixed with a tiny bit of actual Christianity!!!”

    Tied to the admirable imagination and very high associative horizon of Joseph Smith… but he should have written fantasy novels instead of pretending it was real.

    Same story, different words… but y’all just the next Mormons… get real y’all… ‘cuz it’s starting to get boring honestly.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      I won’t apologize for speculating, even if it turns out I’m wrong 99% of the time.

      • TE says:

        Point taken. I still think it’s not worth the time. And still think my point is correct about this being how Mormonism started. OTOH I’m willing to accept that you’re more interested in speculation than I am, and that’s just how it is and who you are; but would encourage you to be more realist-minded.

        I spent years going against my realist instinct and being unnaturally speculative… and it did me some harm, but also some good… hard to say whether overall good or bad, but it’s over with; if I did it over again I would have used more moderation. So I would encourage you to attempt “increased realism in moderation.”

        But indeed was a bit rash and overly harsh in my tone, and did indeed not notice the importance of the word “speculation,” and for that I apologize.

  7. TE says:

    or y’all can just be scientologists I guess? I dunno…

  8. Heaviside says:

    I started writing a post over a month ago on the forum but I don’t think I’ll finish it so I will just summarize some basic points because they are relevant to this blog entry.

    Man is not man without civilization. Civilization is slavery. Farming is the enslavement of the earth, herding is the enslavement of animals, patriarchy is the enslavement of women, statecraft is the enslavement of men. Or, as Plato said, ruling is the art of animal husbandry applied to humans.

    There is no reason why animal husbandry applied to people should be considered “psychopathic.” It is just the exercise of positive, uplifting authority. Without slavery man would not be possible.

    The Babylonians get a bum rap. I support Saddam Hussein and I am glad that the Empire of Japan helped him in his half a billion dollar effort to rebuild Babylon. Indeed, professors from Kyoto University were to help in the reconstruction of the Tower of Babel and the Ishtar Gate. It really is a tragedy that such a rich source of artistic inspiration couldn’t have been repaired. The leaders of our Union don’t have anywhere near the same kind of elevated sensibilities that Alexander the Great had when he occupied that golden chalice of the Lord. Nietzsche said that architecture was the art which most directly expressed the will to power(no wonder Hitler was so keen on it), with its defiance of gravity, and what could have been a better expression of this than that famous tower? It’s only an oppressive society that is unable to recognize what is embodied in these structures as gay and elevating, as expressions of human freedom. Our politicians lack the serene feeling of power expressed in such edifices; they lack the will to create institutions that last as long as such monuments can; they lack the instinct for building common to great rulers.

    “Nebuchadnezzar stirs in me everything relating to pre-Islamic ancient history … That is why whenever I remember Nebuchadnezzar I like to remind the Arabs, Iraqis in particular of their historical responsibilities. It is a burden that should spur them into action because of this history.” — Saddam Hussein

    Long live Iraq, long live Palestine!

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      That picture is awesome.

      >Man is not man without civilization. Civilization is slavery.

      At this point in my life, I have a very strong distaste for all of the above.

      >There is no reason why animal husbandry applied to people should be considered “psychopathic.”

      On the contrary, it’s a better definition of psychopathy than you’ll find in any dictionary or textbook.

      >Nietzsche said that architecture was the art which most directly expressed the will to power(no wonder Hitler was so keen on it), with its defiance of gravity, and what could have been a better expression of this than that famous tower? It’s only an oppressive society that is unable to recognize what is embodied in these structures as gay and elevating, as expressions of human freedom. Our politicians lack the serene feeling of power expressed in such edifices; they lack the will to create institutions that last as long as such monuments can; they lack the instinct for building common to great rulers.

      Very interesting. My intuition says everything here is true.

      >Long live Iraq, long live Palestine!

      My irrational hatred for them aside, it is impossible to ignore that Arabs are constantly patting themselves on the back for the accomplishments of the people who used to live in the territories they’ve conquered.

      • Heaviside says:

        >On the contrary, it’s a better definition of psychopathy than you’ll find in any dictionary or textbook.

        “It would be a mistake to suppose that Madame de Sevigne, who wrote these lines, was a selfish or cruel person; she was passionately attached to her children, and very ready to sympathize in the sorrows of her friends; nay, her letters show that she treated her vassals and servants with kindness and indulgence. But Madame de Sevigne had no clear notion of suffering in anyone who was not a person of quality.”

        Most people are not of quality.

        >it is impossible to ignore that Arabs are constantly patting themselves on the back for the accomplishments of the people who used to live in the territories they’ve conquered.

        At least they have good role models.

  9. Heaviside says:

    >Breeding was their full-time job (the way they supported themselves), a sport, and hobby science.

    Well, when we establish the dictatorship of men the one of the most important functions of the state will be to breed people in a manner that allows them to fulfill their assigned roles best.

    • Heaviside says:

      To act their assigned roles best.

      • Aeoli Pera says:

        You know, I have a villain in mind that’s modeled off of you (that might appear in a story someday). This person’s opening scene has him hiring a bunch of prostitutes and, rather than performing sex acts, he turns on a video camera and makes them perform an impromptu play. At the end, he kills them and destroys the footage so that he will be the only one to have seen that performance.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      I presume this is going on already.

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