Two subtypes of narcissists: psychopathic and neurotic

This is something that’s been rolling around in my head for a long time. There appear to be two strongly divergent types of people that get pushed together under the same label. The first type is broadly synonymous with the dark triad personality type, and the second is broadly synonymous with neuroticism (aka anxiety disorders). The first sort of narcissism seems at first glance to be caused by the MAOA-L gene and the second by the DRD4-7r and CDH13 genes, all three of which are expressed differently at different levels of phenotypic intelligence. The element uniting them is psychological solipsism. In social terms, the first type follows the dominance axis and the second type follows the prestige axis.

The first reason this distinction is important is that the former type is characterized by a near-complete lack of anxiety. This is not to say that they are incapable of feeling stress, but rather that they are incapable of suffering from the anticipation of future stress (ref: Bob Hare’s shock experiment). In fact, they seem to feel stress very strongly and respond explosively.

The second reason this distinction is important is that neurotic narcissists are the sort primarily responsible for the current immigration crisis in Europe. This crisis may have been manufactured by a small clique of wealthy depopulationists (my conspiracy theory on the subject), but it was enabled by tapping into massive reserves of status signalling potential energy in NW Europeans. Heartiste talks about this tendency with respect to Ashkenazim.

Yes, Jews have higher average IQs that boost their representation in many cognitively demanding and particularly verbal-oriented fields, but Jews are greatly over-represented in Left Wing movements and groups above and beyond their representation levels in other fields that attract Jewish participation, and this latter observation can’t be chalked up solely to IQ.

Wildly disproportionate Jewish attraction to Left Wing causes and Leftist groups is a consequence both of their IQ and of their distinct personality traits — call it the Tikkun Olam Triad, a suite of personality factors that predisposes Jewish temperament toward preachiness/radicalism, feelings of superiority, and neuroticism. These traits, coincidentally, are characteristics that are typical of Left Wingers, Jew and non-Jew alike.

If Jewish IQ was all that mattered (and not Jewish psychology), as Lamb of the Blogosphere asserts, then we would see Jews punching as far above their weight in Right Wing movements and groups as they do in Left Wing movements and groups.

Heartiste
IQology

This ties back into my theory about people who are designed for anxiety inventing reasons to feel anxious when the environment is saturated with dopamine. One notes that Jews follow the tendency of Scandinavians to be either extremely liberal or extremely conservative (socially, not economically). Currently, the trend seems to be 3:1::liberals:conservatives, with the split following the urban:rural divide which is similar in terms of extremism. Conservatives tend to live in the country, therefore neurotic conservatives tend to live in the deep, deep country, and so on for neurotic liberals.

Magic next time for realz.

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15 Responses to Two subtypes of narcissists: psychopathic and neurotic

  1. Koanic says:

    That is a tremendously valuable distinction. Well done.

    Since when does Aeolitalk make sense the first time through? Must’ve been a kid-sized occ snack.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      >That is a tremendously valuable distinction. Well done.

      Thank you. With any luck it will also turn out to be correct.

      >Since when does Aeolitalk make sense the first time through? Must’ve been a kid-sized occ snack.

      Yup, only just barely insightful :-).

  2. Heaviside says:

    >The second reason this distinction is important is that neurotic narcissists are the sort primarily responsible for the current immigration crisis in Europe.

    Who are these “smugglers” who get paid to bring the invaders to Europe? Intelligence agents.

    The U.S. Deep State is butthurt that it never got to implement the Morgenthau Plan and has been trying to subvert Europe ever since. They have to do it through propaganda and drug smuggling and now the “refugee” crisis because they weren’t able to accomplish it by force. In the French far right it is well known that May ’68 was a CIA-backed coup to overthrow DeGaulle.

    Marcuse worked for the OWI, the organization which still coordinates the entire American media to this day. Since 1945 it has been a black organization just like “The Pond” was. He also worked for the research and analysis branch of the OSS (CIA). It is literally Jewish communists who tell the military-intelligence-propaganda complex how to see the world. Who are the brains of the Pentagon? Neoconservatives — Jewish Trotskyites!

    What is delightful is that we may yet get to see poor little Billy Kristol tossed into a gas chamber.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      >Who are these “smugglers” who get paid to bring the invaders to Europe? Intelligence agents.

      Wouldn’t surprise me. I don’t remember how I obtained this opinion, but my impression is that intelligence agents used social media to provoke a much larger number of Africans to migrate, all at once, than would have otherwise trickled in if word had passed by word of mouth.

  3. Aeoli Pera says:

    That’s the bin where I’d put the neanderthal narcissists. Not necessarily disagreeing, as their shitlib globalism certainly crosses over into treason in many cases.

  4. Robotnick says:

    The second type describes me decently well. If it weren’t for edenism and other red pill stuff I’d imagine I’d still be a secular humanist libtard to this day.

    My sockets are deep enough to never have fully bought in to political correctness though.

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  7. ohlle says:

    Hi,

    120 IQ here, we are talking the lower floor :).

    Every time I read a post by you, I struggle. Ellipsis is what makes it tough for me to follow the thread of your reasoning. You take a way >120 IQ intelligence in your reader, and more knowledge than I have, for granted.

    I think those in the upper floors should find it easy to understand how to make things grasp-able for people in the lower floors, and the latter’s mental processes.

    For example in this post, you said bar nothing about the former kind of narcissists.

    Then you say: neurotic narcissists are the cause of Europe being invaded.
    Well, isn’t it quite… on the surface? I mean, what is the cause of neurotic narcissists being enabled to cause so grand-scale phenomena, unopposed?
    Also: aren’t they being manipulated and used by narcissists of the first type, which I think are far more capable people?

    And I would be careful to claim feelings of superiority are common among Leftists, and, more broadly, collectivists and “equality” seekers/wanna-be enforcers. Feelings of superiority on the surface usually hide contrary feelings beneath it, and it’s generally agreed that the Left is home to deep feelings of envy, inadequacy, and so on.

    Back to my original remark: I don’t mean you should dumb down your way of writing. We have too many dumbed-down content available everywhere, including (as you sure know) video games of the last 15 years.
    You could help less knowledgeable readers a lot by saying more; no simplification, but more details that you now take for understood even if unspoken.

    In the phrase “This ties back into my theory about people who are designed for anxiety inventing reasons to feel anxious when the environment is saturated with dopamine”,

    while I easily get that an anxious mind will fabricate causes for anxiety (like an angry one will do causes for anger, and so on. I think it’s a widely-applicable principle), I can’t grasp how dopamine comes into play, and what “environment” are we talking about, or how an environment would be saturated with dopamine. A textbook-like example would have made it full clear.

    thanks for your overall excellent blog, at any rate, but allow me a final comment.

    Narcissists are what the mobs they surreptitiously mystify, mislead, and control deserve, and nothing less.
    If you have ever tried to shake the obedient and low in the pecking order out of their yoke and place in the pecking order, you must know it.
    Nothing upsets them like who wants them to gain dignity and independence.
    It is the rule of the herd: they’ll be even more upset than their rulers, with regards to the independent one or the one who pushes for real equality, that is, equality of dignity, in the group/herd/tribe/”community”.

    They love to obey and comform, of course only to first-grade narcissists who despise them enough, even more than the latter may love to rule over them, I dare submit.

    Try to alter the pecking order, and it will be the hens to attack you before the cocks do it too.

    Said from someone who has tried to disrupt some serious narcissist’s (of the FIRST TYPE) rule in a “community”. No. The worse they are, the more beloved and esteemed they are, the more happily obeyed to.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      >You take a way >120 IQ intelligence in your reader, and more knowledge than I have, for granted.

      It’s usually a good assumption, and writing for both audiences is a bit difficult. Generally the lower-IQ audience needs a lot more of the ideas expanded, and I understand this, but the amount of time I can spend is finite so it’s gonna come down to optimization.

      >For example in this post, you said bar nothing about the former kind of narcissists.

      These are well described by mainstream popsci books.

      >Then you say: neurotic narcissists are the cause of Europe being invaded.

      This statemen presupposes a familiarity with Anonymous Conservative.

      >You could help less knowledgeable readers a lot by saying more; no simplification, but more details that you now take for understood even if unspoken.

      This could be accomplished by including more links to assumed background knowledge.

      >thanks for your overall excellent blog, at any rate,

      You’re welcome, it’s my pleasure.

      >Narcissists are what the mobs they surreptitiously mystify, mislead, and control deserve, and nothing less.
      >If you have ever tried to shake the obedient and low in the pecking order out of their yoke and place in the pecking order, you must know it.
      Nothing upsets them like who wants them to gain dignity and independence.

      This is observably true, but I’ll caution you against viewing reality in too static of a fashion. The truth is that the sins of the herd degrade the ruler, and the sins of the ruler degrade the herd, and they spiral into deeper and deeper degeneracy through this feedback. Even when they don’t just break, positive feedback systems can’t continue forever, they have to run into some constraint from a higher law. In this case, it’s usually economics or competition with other societies: anarchotyranny reduces everyone to mud huts, so that society will often be conquered by a less degenerate society or over time the slaves will find opportunities to escape or revolt.

  8. Santoculto says:

    Narcisistics generally are not neurotics. the first have higher self-esteem, the second usually have lower self-esteem, both are concerned what other people think about them but the first generally have a positive self-esteeem and the second have negative if neurotics tend to see things mostly in negative ways, starting from themselves.

    Psychopaths usually have higher self-esteem because they are the least prone to have neurosis, mostly a intrapersonal and interpersonal natures.

    Of course it’s possible we have neuroticism and narcisism in highest levels in the same individual but the typical neurotic tend to be quite different than the typical narcisistic. I think…

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