The Scandinavian paradox

I’m just putting a name to something that’s been discussed to death in racialist circles. How is it that modern Scandinavians are the world’s biggest pussies, despite being direct descendants of the world’s biggest badasses?

There is no good evidence (that I’m aware of) that the gene pool involved has changed in any dramatic way since the Icelandic sagas were written, and the high average intelligence and height of Scandies suggests that they still have plenty of high-quality genes and a low mutation load. (Particularly because intelligence is very sensitive to mutation load.) There is also the curious fact that although their IQs are the same in different environments, their personalities are extraordinarily different. This contradicts the finding that personality is more robust than intelligence.

Atheists explain this as an effect of Christianity-as-slave morality (Christians blame secularism, naturally). Edenists (me, particularly) tend to attribute this to environmental effects like global warming and human domestication (i.e. civilization). Regardless of when exactly temperatures fluctuated, it is important to note that Scandinavia has been, at times, very cold (therefore producing proper cold adaptation at times). Anyway, one thing we can all agree on is it was the Joooooze.

As evidence for the edenist view, I note that Scandinavians go nuts when they live in high population density urban areas and don’t reproduce. This hypothesis could be tested easily with twin studies, and IMO definitely should be because the implications for political policy are obvious (though very different for various political persuasions). The broader, stronger hypothesis is that environment (i.e. nurture over nature) has a much stronger effect on Scandinavian populations than on other populations. E.g. An hour per day of math tutoring will produce a much stronger effect in an average Scandinavian person than in an average white person from another population, where IQ and conscientiousness are held constant.

(The same sort of twin studies ought to be done with other heavily neanderthal-influenced populations, like the Japanese, to provide evidence for or against genetic causality.)

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38 Responses to The Scandinavian paradox

  1. j says:

    Excellent point. ‘Nurture vs nature’ is racially determined? Cue shitlibs’ heads exploding.

  2. Jdc says:

    Could be something to do with the northern European “schizoid” tendency and ingroup altruism. I tend to suffer from this myself, the idea of social solipsism and a lack of theory of mind. The idea that not everyone else is as kind or as forgiving as you are. Northern Europeans need to be taught segregation really and learn to embrace their ancestral and cultural heritage.

    Death to the enemies of Europa.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      Ditto all except the latter. What has Europa done for me? I accept that I’ve made mistakes, but I think two decades is a bit too much punishment for following some bad advice.

      • Jdc says:

        Allow me to explain myself a little better.

        I agree with you. After growing up in an abusive and broken home I believed that I was inferior to others so I let people treat me in appalling ways much like how Tex describes being treated in the workforce which basically describe typical treatment of Asperger’s people. We keep thinking we’re fighting in a fair war when really those we fight against are more akin to a vicious pack of dogs than knights on a battlefield. We need to keep the honor and chivalry for our own kind and lie, cheat and steal from our enemies just as they would do to us.

        http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2009/09/book-review-might-is-right-or-the-survival-of-the-fittest-by-ragnar-redbeard/

        The European male is sincere in all things, this is due to naivety
        I remember giving bus money, all kinds of things to people who asked or begged me for it as I believed in their sincerity even if it put me at a disadvantage as I wouldn’t do something like that. Little did I know these non whites were simply liars playing on emotions and the goodwill of westerners.

        Germanic or Nordic man must be the most sincere and authentic National Socialist or the most sincere and authentic Christian or what have you. He cannot lie, especially to himself like most other races, who only profess a creed on their lips, never in their hearts.

        I agree with most things that Tex says but on the subject of women he’s absolutely hopeless. I have met quite a few women over the years claiming one thing while diametrically accomplishing the opposite even as they claim to want equality. No woman wants equality they all the want the most powerful and dominant man they can find. Notice I said powerful and dominant and not the best because women do not differentiate between the two. Tex’s writings that Thal women seek out “good men” is wrong too. I’ve tried this for years with women, no woman cares about morals and ethics, the dark triad is very real as the phenomenon of hybristophilia attests to and the legions of women lining up to fuck criminals and degenerates.

        You have to treat a woman like you would a dangerous animal. Which basically means dominate her emotionally, sexually and physically until she develops attraction and submission towards you. Western fathers haven’t helped either with treating their daughters like precious princesses that can do no wrong. This is a natural response as men want to protect women, particularly their own. I wouldn’t be surprised if Tex has a daughter or several. However this has led to the modern feral women. The ancients weren’t stupid.

        http://www.angryharry.com/eswerewomenoppressedinthewest.htm

        Tex’s writing often reeks of existential despair. His solution to most problems is to dig a hole(oops, I meant a vault) in the backyard and hide in it until everything bad goes away. This is pathetic really and will not help us to cope with or face the real world that we live in now.

        When I was talking about death to the enemies of Europa I meant death to those who will deny YOU your birthright. That means your ability to start a family, raise an income and achieve self actualization, you are currently displaced culturally from all this as I am. You have to passively stand by, the best, the aristoi when everything is stolen from you and miscegenated into a brown cesspool of failure.

      • Jdc says:

        I agree, autism is a malfunction of asperger syndrome. Also post below was meant for this comment, apologies.

      • Jdc says:

        Another thing that really upsets me as a low status male is the quality of women we are forced to deal with. I don’t necessarily mean fatties or uglies, just sluts and low quality damaged females because that’s the social circles we end up frequenting.

        Or else because of our innate sensitivity, we become friend zoned and treated as eunuchs. Tex is wrong that females that don’t respond to the traits of the dark triad exist. The truth is that women don’t really have unique personalities, they have a thin veneer and underneath they’re all the same fundamentally. Women respond to one thing and one thing only, dominance. Something that Western and Nordic man has been lied about with all the egalitarian nonsense. Women themselves don’t even believe in it as evinced by their love of the social sexual hierarchy which basically gives classification and nomenclature to their deepest instincts.

        http://www.angryharry.com/eswerewomenoppressedinthewest.htm

  3. Jdc says:

    Also here is an interesting theory from Varg Vikernes

    https://thuleanperspective.com/tag/asperger/

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      Not a bad theory, but I think he fails to distinguish between sensitivity and sensory malfunctions due to white matter degradation, which is the source of most of the troubles for properly autistic retards.

      • Jdc says:

        Allow me to explain myself a little better.

        I agree with you. After growing up in an abusive and broken home I believed that I was inferior to others so I let people treat me in appalling ways much like how Tex describes being treated in the workforce which basically describe typical treatment of Asperger’s people. We keep thinking we’re fighting in a fair war when really those we fight against are more akin to a vicious pack of dogs than knights on a battlefield. We need to keep the honor and chivalry for our own kind and lie, cheat and steal from our enemies just as they would do to us.

        http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2009/09/book-review-might-is-right-or-the-survival-of-the-fittest-by-ragnar-redbeard/

        The European male is sincere in all things, this is due to naivety
        I remember giving bus money, all kinds of things to people who asked or begged me for it as I believed in their sincerity even if it put me at a disadvantage as I wouldn’t do something like that. Little did I know these non whites were simply liars playing on emotions and the goodwill of westerners.

        Germanic or Nordic man must be the most sincere and authentic National Socialist or the most sincere and authentic Christian or what have you. He cannot lie, especially to himself like most other races, who only profess a creed on their lips, never in their hearts.

        Tex’s writing often reeks of existential despair. His solution to most problems is to dig a hole(oops, I meant a vault) in the backyard and hide in it until everything bad goes away. This is pathetic really and will not help us to cope with or face the real world that we live in now.

  4. The pussiness varies. I would rank the countries by badassery thusly:

    Finland
    Iceland
    Denmark
    Norway
    Sweden

    Except for Iceland, this correlates well with “years since combat, and the intensity thereof”.

    We often talk about “finsk sisu” – Finnish grit. The memory of survival combat against the Soviets 70 years ago still to this day makes them seem tougher than the rest, and maybe this is self-reinforcing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisu

    You could also make a correlation to how liberal they are, migration-wise. Above list would actually work for that one, too. (Iceland is nominally pro-immigration, though, but no one moves there).

    Bottom line: Iceland is odd, for the others proximity to war and immigration permissiveness are heavy variables.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      Finns have grit: https://aeolipera.wordpress.com/2015/04/18/finns-have-grit/

      >Except for Iceland, this correlates well with “years since combat, and the intensity thereof”.

      Interesting point.

      >You could also make a correlation to how liberal they are, migration-wise. Above list would actually work for that one, too. (Iceland is nominally pro-immigration, though, but no one moves there).

      Great point. I doubt any of the immigrants have ever heard of Iceland…although I want to immigrate there, myself.

  5. Heaviside says:

    The truth:

  6. Jdc says:

    Allow me to explain myself a little better.

    I agree with you. After growing up in an abusive and broken home I believed that I was inferior to others so I let people treat me in appalling ways much like how Tex describes being treated in the workforce which basically describe typical treatment of Asperger’s people. We keep thinking we’re fighting in a fair war when really those we fight against are more akin to a vicious pack of dogs than knights on a battlefield. We need to keep the honor and chivalry for our own kind and lie, cheat and steal from our enemies just as they would do to us.

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2009/09/book-review-might-is-right-or-the-survival-of-the-fittest-by-ragnar-redbeard/

    The European male is sincere in all things, this is due to naivety
    I remember giving bus money, all kinds of things to people who asked or begged me for it as I believed in their sincerity even if it put me at a disadvantage as I wouldn’t do something like that. Little did I know these non whites were simply liars playing on emotions and the goodwill of westerners.

    Germanic or Nordic man must be the most sincere and authentic National Socialist or the most sincere and authentic Christian or what have you. He cannot lie, especially to himself like most other races, who only profess a creed on their lips, never in their hearts.

    I agree with most things that Tex says but on the subject of women he’s absolutely hopeless. I have met quite a few women over the years claiming one thing while diametrically accomplishing the opposite even as they claim to want equality. No woman wants equality they all the want the most powerful and dominant man they can find. Notice I said powerful and dominant and not the best because women do not differentiate between the two. Tex’s writings that Thal women seek out “good men” is wrong too. I’ve tried this for years with women, no woman cares about morals and ethics, the dark triad is very real as the phenomenon of hybristophilia attests to and the legions of women lining up to fuck criminals and degenerates.

    You have to treat a woman like you would a dangerous animal. Which basically means dominate her emotionally, sexually and physically until she develops attraction and submission towards you. Western fathers haven’t helped either with treating their daughters like precious princesses that can do no wrong. This is a natural response as men want to protect women, particularly their own. I wouldn’t be surprised if Tex has a daughter or several. However this has led to the modern feral women. The ancients weren’t stupid.

    http://www.angryharry.com/eswerewomenoppressedinthewest.htm

    Tex’s writing often reeks of existential despair. His solution to most problems is to dig a hole(oops, I meant a vault) in the backyard and hide in it until everything bad goes away. This is pathetic really and will not help us to cope with or face the real world that we live in now.

    When I was talking about death to the enemies of Europa I meant death to those who will deny YOU your birthright. That means your ability to start a family, raise an income and achieve self actualization, you are currently displaced culturally from all this as I am. You have to passively stand by, the best, the aristoi when everything is stolen from you and miscegenated into a brown cesspool of failure.

    • “Germanic or Nordic man must be the most sincere and authentic National Socialist or the most sincere and authentic Christian or what have you. He cannot lie, especially to himself like most other races, who only profess a creed on their lips, never in their hearts.”

      You’re on to something, but it’s not so cut and dried, in my opinion. There are certainly lots of liars and cognitive dissonators in Scandinavia, as well.

      “hybristophilia”

      I wonder if this is the female equivalent of the raw, dirty lust one might feel toward a promiscuous woman or the dirty hunger one might have for McDonald’s food. You know it’s bad for you, but it represents a superstimulus.

      • Jdc says:

        Tex’s endogamous matriarchy and sexual aggression in Thal females sounds good in theory and helps fill in some gaps in Asperger psychology. However when held up to scrutiny it’s conjecture and doesn’t necessarily hold any real weight.

        In truth, females make extremely boring friends. They entirely lack genius and tend to learn via rote, social chameleonism and conformism.

        Generally when you “make friends” with a single woman what you’re doing is providing her with an obligation free relationship without the icky bits of her providing you with anything in return.

        Topics of conversation include:

        Menstruation
        Shoe and clothing shopping
        Social events
        Boy crushes that you have to listen about
        Grades and how clever she is if she’s in college
        Insecurities/mental illnesses/addictions(food, pills etc)

        Topics that won’t be covered include:

        Philosophy
        Metaphysics
        Science
        Mathematics
        Technology

        • Aeoli Pera says:

          I don’t regularly have girl friends, but I find that 1) Game is fun, 2) I can always have a good conversation about mutual acquiantances, and 3) they are good for bouncing my psychology theories off of.

          As far as number 2 goes, I try to gossip in a gray area between cynical and honorable. That is, I try to stick to the truth, saying nothing I wouldn’t want to have in a written record, but also balancing praise with criticism maybe 50-50. Criticism must be softened with humor and praise must be heartfelt, women are very good at smelling out violations of these rules.

    • Re: Sweden: the tide is turning, heavily. Things are said now, even in the media, that would have rendered a person excommunicate one year ago.

      Simple things, like: immigration is a net loss financially, immigration raises the violent crime rate, the PISA ratings are falling because of immigration, immigrants have high unemployment, the media have been maintaining a tight Overton window, a lot of immigrants fake their age to into a better bracket, etc. Child’s stuff, the negations of which were once upheld as articles of faith.

      I’m having a personal renaissance of sanity, myself. I like to think it’s connected to Denethor’s mist of madness lifting from our lands.

    • Heaviside says:

      >Tex’s writing often reeks of existential despair. His solution to most problems is to dig a hole(oops, I meant a vault) in the backyard and hide in it until everything bad goes away. This is pathetic really and will not help us to cope with or face the real world that we live in now.

      This is exactly why we need a revolutionary outlook. The revolutionary knows that the world is doomed and yet that deliverance is at hand, that the fate of the world is in his hands. Precisely when everything is doomed, that’s the best time to strike the enemy at the root.

      “The most conspicuous and historically the most effective example is the antithesis formulated by Karl Marx: bourgeoisie and proletariat. This antithesis concentrates all antagonisms of world history into one single final battle against the last enemy of humanity. It does so by integrating the many bourgeois parties on earth into a single order, on the one hand, and likewise the proletariat, on the other. By so doing a mighty friend-enemy grouping is forged. Its power of conviction during the nineteenth century resided above all in the fact that it followed its liberal bourgeois enemy into its own domain, the economic, and challenged it, so to speak, in its home territory with its own weapons.” — Carl Schmitt

      What is feminism’s home territory and what are its weapons? I do not yet know the answer to these questions, but I find the phrase “war on women” very instructive. If “conservatives” actually meant to conserve anything, they would have said, “Yes, we do intend to wage a war on women. We will bury you!” “War on women” means that there is a class struggle between men and women, and in the end one class will prevail and the other will be subjugated. If you are not for the proletarian revolution of men against women then you are for the inhuman enslavement of men by women, it is as simple as that. There is no middle ground. We are in the middle of a class struggle, and this is a kind of war. One must be prepared to prosecute this conflict with all of the fanaticism and intensity of a total war. One must be prepared to liquidate the enemy. One must be prepared to use even the same technical implements as a total war, weapons of mass destruction. Che said that nuclear war would result in the final victory of socialism; it is our misfortune that he did not have access to hydrogen armaments. Compare that attitude to Tex’s.

      “And when we leave this world of toil,
      And shuffle off our mortal coil,
      We’ll thank the bomb that set us free,
      to socialist Eternity.”

      • Heaviside says:

        These darn videos are not starting at the proper time. &t=1h8m38s

      • Edenist whackjob says:

        Are you atheist, Heaviside?

        If I were, this kind of thing would make sense.

      • Heaviside says:

        I don’t believe in atheism:

        1.) In modern times, the term “God” usually means “moral world order,” and while intellectually most people may no longer believe in such, practically speaking almost everyone still does unconsciously, otherwise they wouldn’t be shocked when certain things happen. I still much like most people in this regard. God doesn’t always mean “moral world order,” but then we are probably speaking of the God of a small elect, which you should know by now is a kind of God I admire but that kind of thinking does not come naturally to my unconscious mind, nor does it to most people (almost by definition). I believe on a psychological level, the vast majority of people who are say they are “atheists,” really aren’t.

        2.) Modern atheism approaches the existence of God as if it were a contingent fact, but obviously this is only true for finite objects and not gods, and if the only way set forth the basis of “atheism” is to use an incorrect definition of gods, then there is clearly not much hope for it as an intellectual program.

        3.) Most justifications for religion boil down to the fact of believing itself being morally good, or somehow useful to society and/or the individual. This isn’t proving that the beliefs are true. (It is the same as political correctness; it is morally good to believe that all races are equal, and believing it is supposed to have positive consequences for society; trying to actually prove that all races are equal only comes later.) See point 1. If you actually try to find out for yourself what the truth is instead of just taking certain ideas for granted because it is morally prescribed to do so, you are not religious but a “mystic,” or worse “Gnostic” or an “occultist”. Modern atheism could only have happened in Christian societies because Christianity places such a large emphasis on the subjective faith of the believer. One is not a “believer” in kami. If kami objectively exist, why does it matter what humans think? This is why so many Japanese people can be “atheists” even though there is a state religion in Japan. I think there are a lot of similarities between Shinto and Hellenic paganism and they share the same basic metaphysical postulates, probably common to all the polytheistic religions of antiquity. I think if you had asked, “does Zeus exist?” It would have been seen as a dumb question. I think you would have gotten a similarly confused reaction if you stated emphatically “I believe in Zeus.” I think Christianity has some of these peculiar attitudes about the “existence of God” because in Judaism there is a basic ambivalence between YHVH being the only God that exists, and Him simply being the god of the Jews, as opposed to the also existing gods of other peoples. This is different from the monotheism of Akhenaten (PBUH), which might have inspired Moses. The point is, I reject “atheism” because I don’t think it matters what people believe, and the focus on subjective belief is already “atheistic” because it assumes that human beliefs are more important than the actual existence of gods. I think these neo-pagans who try hard to “believe” in Odin are misguided.

      • Edenist whackjob says:

        To believe in God is to believe in a natural order, a telos for man and a narrative of being that isn’t just another story. It’s like having gold backing to your currency.

        If there is no God then we are in Ligotti’s and Gnon’s universe. Completely value-flat and depersonalized. Nietzsche maybe, but his aesthetics smack of borrowed Beauty from the Christian natural order. There is too much gung ho and poetry.

        I agree that most atheists aren’t. They either haven’t seen through their moral circuits (if there is no God then there is no point in listening to the paleomammalian), or they are relying on borrowed Christian order and saying “no its just my evolved moral circuits”.

        Don’t know if any of this makes sense…

      • Heaviside says:

        “Mortals are immortals and immortals are mortals, the one living the others’ death and dying the others’ life.”

        A god made man out of clay and man makes gods out of clay.

  7. Jdc says:

    Apologies for multiple parallel posts as well. They didn’t show up the first time I posted. The gist of them is that I’m basically saying that Northern and Western European Thal’s need to start standing up for their own interests instead of being seen as “pussies” like you said.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      No worries, I’ll clean it up.

      > The gist of them is that I’m basically saying that Northern and Western European Thal’s need to start standing up for their own interests instead of being seen as “pussies” like you said.

      I agree. My greatest worry is that they will just do the Nazi thing again without learning anything. But I believe that if ugly truths can be known, it can be taught to these folks, hence Roissy and company have done us an immeasurable service.

      The main thing is to get a critical mass of badthinkers.

      • Jdc says:

        You might enjoy reading this https://news.ycombinator.com/ It’s a great way to find out what is going on in the hacker/programmer community. Also it lists jobs available in the States where you live.

        If you ever end up actually homeless, set up a donate button or gofundme account or something. I don’t have a lot but even if we could just give $10 or something to not see you hungry that would be a start.

        • Aeoli Pera says:

          Roger that. Somebody else has been trying to get me to read that, can’t remember who. Maybe now I have to.

          Re: GoFundMe, etc. Not unless it’s a choice between that and stealing. I am quite serious about my opinion that prestige and money must have as little to do with each other as possible, in a sane society.

      • Edenist whackjob says:

        Concur on HN. Read it many times daily.

  8. Eikos says:

    Northern Euros in particular won’t go viking on the muslims (or turn on the government et al) for the same reason they don’t commit a lot of crime – they require state sanction to do violence. I’ve been reading some of HBDChick’s articles on the effects outbreeding & I think she’s pretty much nailed it. Scandis are, I guess, the most outbred Whites and the most domesticated (outbreeding leads to state monopoly on violence/ vengeance, which has a domestication effect on the population). So Vikings were wolves but their descendents are dogs.

    Now, one of the many benefits of having a high trust population of obedient dogs is that you can enjoy a highly competent modern military, which would tear through an invasion force of mangy, savage, stupid, uncontrollable, wolves like they were nothing… but, as we all know, the dogs’ owners have turned on them. Quite a problematic situation…

    There’s a chapter on Scandinavians in Donald Day’s ‘Onward Christian Soldiers’ (GREAT book). He was living among them during the 30’s and was apalled at their breezy, naive, apathetic, nature (“Uh, guys, some serious SHIT is going down not far east of here…”). Once some of their volunteers were actually trained though they made peerless soldiers.

  9. lflick says:

    I agree with Heaviside’s comment about atheism.

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