This is the name I’m going to use from now on to describe the worldwide religion I believe existed before the flood. It’s entirely speculative and ought to be treated as such. It may be possible to describe it as big-P Pagan metaphysics which is transmitted across generations via hermeticism and esotericism, as opposed to little-p paganism which is more of a dispersed, grassroots attempt to understand the world. Big-P Paganism is myths, little-p paganism is fairy tales.

Because these beliefs were held universally, I expect they are embedded very deeply in many surviving cultures and possibly even genetic memory. However, much of it would be degraded and lost too. It’s likely in my mind that this religion was what enabled the Swiderians to form cohesive, city-sized societies. The astrological monoliths would serve the societal function of public works projects.

Likely elements:

  • Manichaeaism: The belief in an eternal dialectic between order and chaos, Lucifer and Ahriman. Symbolized by triangles, cones, spirals, and probably the Cancer symbol.
  • Gnosticism: A belief that ideas, rational consciousness, and willpower are pure and caring about material things is perverse and sinful. Generally, all holiness spirals can be traced back to this.
  • The Pantheon: A belief that the world is made by/from 12 primary spiritual personalities or principles, which show up in many places under different names. For example, Ishtar = Ashtaroth = Venus = Lilith = Babylon, whore of. (“Away with words oh man, show me your passion!”)
  • The Demiurge: Is apparently autistic in this ideology.
  • Karma: A fatalistic belief in large-scale astrological cycles. The universe is a self-contained perfect machine created by the Demiurge. Reincarnation and The Wheel of Time, in a nutshell. Reincarnation, particularly, appears to be a group-selecting, primitive awareness of genetics.
  • The law of attraction: A belief that thoughts and perception alone have power to change outcomes.

There are probably more. In fact, I expect to find twelve or thirteen, each encoded in Zodiac symbols. These ideas regularly show up as Christian heresies, so I expect that most heresies are resurgences of this older religion. There is good reason to suspect that Jesus was interacting with this religion in some way by using hermetic language and referring to its symbols. However, because Lucifer hates Jesus and loves inversion, there’s a lot of dysfunction in this area of thought.

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41 Responses to Zodiacism

  1. Arakawa says:

    The really interesting part is what happens when you invert each of these statements:

    – Manichaeism inverted becomes “The universe is ruled by a single, sovereign, benevolent Creator God.” (Monotheism)
    – Gnosticism inverted becomes “Matter is innocent, while rational consciousness and willpower are perverse and in need of redemption.” (Original Sin)
    – Pantheon (divine board of directors) inverted is pretty obvious: Divine Monarchy, with the sovereign God at the top, perhaps ruling over zillions of angels, muses, nature spirits etc. who are unambiguously subordinate to Him.
    – The autistic Demiurge inverted is the Personal God, who is concerned with each and every person on the human scale. His intentions for each and every person are not explicitly stated, but will be human-intelligible in retrospect.
    – Karma inverted is Grace. “There is no justice in the world beneath Heaven.” If there is a scheme of rewards and punishments, it is calibrated individually to each person and non-transferable, so it is meaningless to compare one person’s fate and fortune with another’s. This doctrine is only tolerable in conjunction with the non-autistic Personal God who has benevolent intentions for every person.

    So far, this is sounding a lot like CS Lewis and Mere Christianity.

    The most tricky doctrine to come up with an inversion for is Law of Attraction; my best guess is based on the matter vs spirit divide. Namely, Law of Attraction is to align your rational/imaginative mind with the desired outcome, and let the material side magically take care of itself later. The inverse doctrine would be to take material action even when (especially when) you cannot imagine how it will work out, the action is irrationally out of proportion with what needs to be accomplished, your emotions aren’t aligned with a positive outcome, etc.. The emotional/planning side will magically take care of itself later. This mindset can be developed by following the Gospel’s advices and is arguably implicit in most of the admonitions on charity, as well as stories such as the widow’s mote, the loaves and the fishes (give food first, count it afterwards), or the parable of the talents which favours the reckless investors. This is not faith vs works so much as which half of the universe your faith is pushing against.

    • Koanic says:

      Brilliant, and allows me to understand that Aeoli is on the right track.

    • vejiortan says:

      “The really interesting part is what happens when you invert each of these statements:”

      That’s because these ideas are normative inversions of christian ideas. So both this purported ancient religion and christianity inhabit opposite corners of the same idea space.
      So these points constitute a model of a pre-christian religion from an entirely christian perspective. Most non-monotheist religions (including ancient indo-european religions) don’t even belong to the same idea space as christianity.

      • Heaviside says:

        This is true.

      • bicebicebice says:

        Hello Chaps!

        Melons gonna Melon.
        Thals gonna Thal.
        But they don’t exist anymore, in pure form. The ideas, the idea, fragments, still belong to the same space, the space is unlimited, so as nothing can exist outside of it. That would be impossible.

        But the seasons and the stars do, exist, but the seasons change, just like the 𝐡𝐨𝐦𝐨𝐬 who inhabit this planet right here. The stars never changed. Always shining out navigation, dots in the sky creating a language that is always the same.

        dot dot line 1 line dot 0 etc etc

        At least for the last couple of billions years of so.

        The Statement we can read in the sky is thusly: 𝑒𝑥𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑏𝑒𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑒 𝑓𝑙𝑜𝑜𝑑𝑠

        𝐖𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐞𝐱𝐢𝐬𝐭 𝐚𝐟𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐟𝐥𝐨𝐨𝐝𝐬

        Inverted gravity. E.T. wants to go home.

        This is what 17 days of no internet did to me. The mechanic looked exactly like Koanic, not even rhyming on purpose.

        This is the way of the Nobilid.

        Regards Nobilid

      • Aeoli Pera says:

        I will try to restate this in my own words, with the intention of demonstrating my understanding of your criticism (or not):

        The problem with this description is that I’m using Christian concepts to describe something that requires entirely foreign concepts and new words for those concepts.

        • bicebicebice says:

          Certain types of genes. Certain types of expression. I believe these are the foreign concepts, or rather, the hidden domestic ones.

          We live in a shake up, but the genes won’t mix, like paint does, as Tex likes to point out.

          I believe it is the core tenet of this Edenistic thingamajing right here.

        • Aeoli Pera says:

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    • Aeoli Pera says:

      At this point I believe the law of attraction is 100% true and not an inversion of anything.

      This analysis is excellent and useful but I think it’s important to acknowledge that Zodiacism is a viable alternative religion to Christianity, not a heresy. When I refer to heresies coming from it, I mean specific tenets of Zodiacism appear in Christianity completely out of their original context.

      • Arakawa says:

        Both law of attraction and the system I described seem perfectly workable, but I doubt they mix well. The mindsets required are inversions of each other in the sense of predicting success and failure under nearly-opposite circumstances. This is a methodological contradiction rather than a logical one: one person can boil an egg and another person might prefer to fry it but you can’t do both things to the same egg at the same time. Need to pick a method and stick to it for as long as you’re cooking the egg.

        For the overall religions, however, both appear to draw an org chart rooted at the top level of the universe. So at most one can be correct about that part. Even if wrong, each religion could be viable.. up to a point. If the Pantheon just directs the local galactic bureaucracy, it may be savvy to understand what they do, but it doesn’t answer anything beyond the galactic scale. If YHWH is just a superintelligent gas cloud experimenting with teaching morality to apes, it may be good politics to follow the Commandments, but it doesn’t solve conundrums of Ultimate Reality.

    • Brilliant analysis thank you

  2. Easy explanation for this: vitamin D levels.

  3. Heaviside says:

    I think you are wrong about most of this. If you want a better take on the “Law of Attraction,” Goddard’s Feeling is the Secret is available online for free.

  4. Aeoli Pera says:

    The occ says you shouldn’t put red and black together or blue and white together, because it’s unbalanced somehow. Blue with black and red with white are both okay. Triangles are esoteric and indicate spiritual intricacy.

    • bicebicebice says:

      Totalitarian are always red and black, Nazi, Anti-fa, Communism etc. You will always find the same color patterns.

      They never learn.

  5. Aeoli Pera says:

    I’m not getting anything from this esotericism.

    • MM says:

      Was joking.
      Numerology applied to musical ratios is truly nasty stuff though. There is a scale making program, Scala(compatible with the original Zeta+ softsysnth) which will allow you to explore this if you want. http://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/
      The inverse of nastiness is also true. Here’s a beautiful gift:

      Eyes closed in a dark room+this for an hour is leagues ahead of typical brainwave entertainment. Hope it helps you.

  6. Aeoli Pera says:

    Nothing else you can do, as far as I know.

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  8. minwu says:

    What do you think about Charlton views on magic?
    I think Charlton has a point: allowing Satan to monopolize magic is probably counter-productive for Christianity.

    “Lucifer and Ahriman”

    Unlike Blavatsky, Steiner distinguishes between Ahriman/Moloch and YHWH. His demonology is bizarre but the possibility a demonic diarchy can’t be discarded, as its hinted in the Book of Enoch (Semjaza and Azazel).

    “Karma… Reincarnation and The Wheel of Time, in a nutshell”

    I overall like esotericism, but I instinctively hate Reincarnation. I would be Ishamael in The Wheel of Time.

    “Jesus is apreaking Aramaic… in the context of a spellcraft”

    Dion Fortune said that the “Words of Power” should be in Hebrew, but what actually matters is which language the magician believes to be a lingua sacra (Catholics should probably use Latin). A spell changes reality because reality = perception, implying Magic = Self-Hypnosis on steroids: “Magic is the hacking of one’s own mind”

    BTW, why is Gnosticism so popular in Japan (ex. SMTI, SMTII, FFTactics)? There is an irony here: the antediluvian melonhead religion is currently trendy in a T-back country.

    Off topic: Is Lu Bu from Dynasty Warriors an example of the archetype you pictured in “Warrior Idealism”?

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  13. Zoronn says:

    Must watch the movie Atlantis the lost continent, made in 1961.

    Court astrologer, pyramid in the town square, healing crystals converted to death rays.

    Did you base this post on the movie?

    You didn’t mention psi though, which is sort of odd under the circumstances. You’ve omitted the crux. By design?

    I love this concept of Zodiacism!

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      >Did you base this post on the movie?

      No, this is the first I’ve heard of it.

      >You didn’t mention psi though, which is sort of odd under the circumstances. You’ve omitted the crux. By design?

      No, I make a point of getting to the crux as quickly as my intelligence will allow.

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