Owl melons have neanderthal-like adolescence

Refer to the adolescence phase of male aspie development. There are both similarities and differences in expression during this phase. The key is that both types become obsessed with performing violence effectively, but neanderthals express this in an emotional, endogenous, and socially primitive way, whereas owl melons express this in an intellectual, exogenous, and socially adaptive way.

When I was an adolescent I was obsessed with martial arts, physical training, and emotional hardness. I watched terrifying and gory movies even though I didn’t like them, because I felt an inner sense of duty to develop a stoic response to stressful situations. My driving instructor remarked during my first drive that “you have the demeanor of an undertaker”, and my public speaking teacher noted that my stress response was the opposite of a normal person’s (speaking more slowly and deliberately). My taste in video games was characterized by heroism and small-group social dynamics, including first-person shooters, RPGs, and adventure games in general. These can all be described as interests inherited from small-tribe hunter-gatherer instincts.

Owl melons have similar interests, but they also have more complex and abstracted interests. They additionally become obsessed with social competition, logistics, economics, politics, and principles of leadership and strategy. I would guess that they feel a duty to put themselves in situation where perception and symbolism matter—like advertising, public relations, etc.—despite their distaste for these things. In college (or a first job out of high school) they will tend to be Sigmas because they are practicing the Game (both PUA and more generally) with an intellectual’s practiced indifference. Their taste in video games will tend more to wargaming, RTS, and business/logistics simulators. These can all be described as interests inherent to a well-bred officer class.

If this is correct, what this correspondence suggests to me is that owl melons came to exist as a class of melons with specific neanderthal expression that found a niche in the military. This would be analogous to the way neanderthals have found a useful niche as geniuses within (begrudging) modern white societies. One testable hypothesis is that owl melons should have a strong hormonal response to independence from male authorities (relative to a control group), marking the end of their adolescence. This would be analogous to orangutan flanges.

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32 Responses to Owl melons have neanderthal-like adolescence

  1. MM says:

    My take:
    Owl melons= “MT” subtype= high threat, low emotionally responsive amygdela development, high psychoticism.
    On surface makes them very similar.
    Big difference being “Thal” ingenopathic morality likely comes from development of frontal brain areas(my guess being the lateral frontal pole, ATM) whereas “Owl Melons” think in closer terms to psychopathic rational morality. Would think this is a lesser form of the unusual amygdela development seen in psychopaths (All melons may have some of this, would make sense).

  2. Ophiuchus says:

    @Aeoli Have you been reading my typing info that I initially sent to Koanic? This post reads almost like you’re drawing directly from the biographical section thereof. Either way, well done. I didn’t think TTs had such an early fascination with violence, though it does make sense when understood as manifesting in an endogamous, emotional, small-tribe-adaptive way. After all, panicking and losing your shit isn’t the best way to conduct yourself when you’re trying to take down a mammoth at close range.

    @MM Yes, the conspicuous and observable similarities and overlap, plus the subsequently implied substantive link between MTs and Owls has been commented on by various people around the Edenosphere. This speculation has often involved playing with the notion that MTs were the product of a melon genetic engineering project (largely incorporating a significant amount of Owl Melon DNA) to create an “elite warrior” or “elite guard” caste of honor-bound military specialists who were ferocious/cunning in combat, yet lacking in interpersonal fluency/guile and thus not representing a threat to the rulers insofar as subterfuge/conspiracy/assassination were concerned.
    This mental flexibility/fluid intelligence seems to be the major point of difference between Owls and MTs where mental traits are concerned. But there’s also a difference in physiognomical traits between these two types and, believe it or not, external physiognomical traits have an interesting tendency of reliably indicating psychological and interpersonal characteristics.
    For instance, Koanic’s eyes, in addition to being deeply set, have a negative canthal tilt (or at least appear to from the pics I’ve seen of him) and his eyebrows angle upward then horizontally flat as they approach the glabella, which creates an overall altruistic-looking “lambda shaped” effect around the orbital region, whereas my own eyes, though widely spaced, display average-at-best socket depth, a positive canthal tilt, heavy(ish) lidding and eyebrows that angle downward as they approach the glabella, creating a “raptor-bird-like” or “V-shaped” effect about the orbital region.
    So incidentally, between myself and Koanic, who do you suppose has the more fluent, exogamous intelligence (i.e. game theory calculation, logistics, observational intuition), and who do you think has more crystallized, endogamous intelligence (programming, advanced mathematics/formal logic, internal intuition). The answer isn’t hard to guess, and the eyes tell the whole tale if you know how to read them.
    Now, I know that this was an anecdotal comparison, but it’s just one of many myriad examples of physiognomical attributes reliably predicting personality traits and aptitudes. What’s more–and the broader, more important point that I’m getting at–is that if you keep pulling on this intellectual thread in an honest manner, you’ll eventually arrive at the conclusion that a lot of the higher-functioning traits and abilities expressed in modern humans are due in large part (or at the very least *some* part) to atavistic gene expression. ITZ really not that crazy, famalam.

    Also, with regards to the Thal ingenopathic morality, I suspect it’s not one single difference in frontal lobe structure, but rather a suite of developmental differences in key cortical structures in addition to positively correlated variations-from-the-norm in certain subcortical/limbic areas that results in the “Asperger’s” personality. These differences likely vary in expression and configuration from person to person due to the inherently fine granular complexity of genetics, plus the broader effect that genewarp has inculcated over the years. I’d surmise that different variations likely produce different “brands” of “Sperg”, from the shallowish-socketed, interpersonally-subtle, yet unquestionably Thallish Tex Arcane, to the more classically Thallish, deep-socketed “Standard T-Front” archetype. Koanic has a great article on his Git repository about the different types of Aspergial Individuals (e.g. Obligate, Moral; etc), which, given the correct info, I suspect can be linked at least loosely to the different cortical “Sperg Suite” variations.

    P.S. @Aeoli This post, though excellent, neglects to make mention of the noble art of Kike-Bashing: The Official Pastime of Owl Melons Everywhere™ as practiced/supported/implicitly encouraged by Hitler, Vox, myself, Jesus, and many more!

    P.P.S. @Koanic I know you aren’t really interested in investigating the deeper brain structures while we lack sufficiently powerful technology/sufficiently abundant resources to do so with ~100% precision, but this sort of compulsive investigation/Sperging out about Spergs is the way of the ENTP, regards, ENTP. The ADD is basically a disability. Stop oppressing me; check privilege; etc

    • MM says:

      > Believe it or not, external physiognomical traits have an interesting tendency of reliably indicating psychological and interpersonal characteristics.
      You don’t have to convince me. Of course if you cannot see the underlying brain structures in the skull and what is actually firing then it is absolutely possible that a big occ high forehead deepsocket individual is a psycho (or a sociopath, in the case of Koanic). As always, actions speak louder than words.(And words speak, too!)
      NOW when it comes to the neanderthal ubermensch creation myth… I know human nature too well to think it’s anything other than wish fulfillment for a tiny subculture of mostly outcasts. Womp womp waaa!!!
      > a lot of the higher-functioning traits and abilities expressed in modern humans are due in large part (or at the very least *some* part) to atavistic gene expression.
      Only when you drink Thalforce (We are now partnered with CLOROX!)
      >Thal ingenopathic morality.
      “Thal” = introvert(With normally functioning but beefy amygdela). There is no reason to believe real thals had more empathy than saps (blasphemy!).
      ‘Did you know saps arent even human! Will be glad when those biological androids die off in the next ice age!’ Melon genetic engineering project.
      Never change, edenosphere.

      I surely just offended many- GOOD!- but believe me I’d love to talk more about specific brain stuffs. Especially with you, Ophiuchus as you are eager, willing, and frankly have that real-world slant that cuts through woo when unrestrained by mental filters.
      See my reply to Aeoli from march 30th on “stories as emotional reactivity formulas” to get where Im coming from.
      Its not like you have to accept none woo reasoning, but we all want accuracy here.
      If you like your woo, you can keep it! Pinky promise.

      • MM says:

        WordPress fuckup:

        “Thal” = introvert(With normally functioning but beefy amygdela). There is no reason to believe real thals had more empathy than saps (blasphemy!).
        ‘Did you know saps arent even human! Will be glad when those biological androids die off in the next ice age!’ Melon genetic engineering project.
        Never change, edenosphere.

      • MM says:

        ‘Did you know saps arent even human! Will be glad when those biological androids die off in the next ice age!'<==I WISH that were a strawman. The false prophet of "altruism" (((Koanic))) and his autistic master Texas Arcane are good for laughs and motivation to prepare for ITZ, but the empathy and honesty departments are both sorely lacking. Maybe they have almost as much actual thal as our friends, the jews! Would explain alot.

        • Pseudorandom Bypasser says:

          I’m thinking more and more that you are a TM instead of MM. Would explain many things. I know it’s just a nickname but I recall you saying that you are a melon. I can expand on this if needed.

        • Pseudorandom Bypasser says:

          I’m thinking more and more that you are a TM instead of MM. It would explain many things.

          WordPress is eating my comments as well.

          • MM says:

            Marshall Mead is my actual name; just love the confusion of using “MM”.
            The abnormal aspects of my thinking are in large part caused by an undersized cerebellum, though who knows what else is going on up here (even with the brain scans).
            From what I remember on the consensus of a “TM” that doesn’t sound like me.
            INTJ asshole= “MT”. Nice amygdela but a bit limited on the empathy. Could buy that!!

            • Pseudorandom Bypasser says:

              I know but recall you saying that you are a melon. In the case that you said that unconscientiously and without research just increases the likelihood of M-front along with your continuous reductionism. Third point for M-front is your attacks and arguments that tend towards being of social shaming nature. A T-front (with T-back; can’t say for other backs) wouldn’t bother because of disinterest/sensitivity, or would do it in an aspergic way (like me). T-back would explain your wackiness, egalitarianism/virtue drive/being offended by sap-hate, and interest in this stuff and finding the truth in it. Your cerebellum stuff could also be related to this.

              All types can be INTJs and assholes but they are INTJs and assholes in a way that is specific to their type. Reductionism again. I would’ve pegged you as ENTP.

              Put down the honey wine when using internet, as it just amplifies your shitposting.

            • MM says:

              To be clear- I am a melon. Melon father, mother, grandfathers, grandmothers. Upper class. Notable super water-Melon ancestors. The only difference (That I’m sure of) is the 1/3 reduction in baseline happiness due to cerebellum fuckery.

              Agree with the rest of what you wrote. I dont have a T back but my dad has the biggest occ bun of anyone I’ve ever seen. The weird obsession with sound partly comes from the self-creating imagery that happens when I listen to sound with eyes closed.

              Would add that my baseline itself is unstable(just look at any comments of mine from a year ago) ATM spending all my time at job dealing with ppl, doing college, and most importantly, exercising (Turns baseline to ENTJ) means that the melon-ness is growing by the day. Brain is screaming “stop typing this, it doesn’t matter!”.
              Asking about you would only be appropriate after a rant about myself.
              I promise to make you feel like the high status winner you are if you give me material to work with!!!

    • Koanic says:

      I always read your stuff with pleasure, Ophiuchus.

      I just think that if we are classifying people by observable bone structure, and there are psychological correlates thereto, then it must be related to the bone structure. Some of it is hormonal, of course, but with socket depth I suspect that more OFC = relatively more OFC, and also unlocked higher levels of OFC activity.

      Widespace, same deal.

      Now with canthal tilt and scrunchy eyes we’re getting into more complex bio-psychological causation than simple gross brain volume differences. But we are all grown from a common mammalian template, so the pathways to various personality traits are well-worn, and we should expect have telltale indicators.

      In other words, the Master Breeders might have been Darwin’s invisible hand, not to mention Eugene McCarthy’s invisible cock, working this stuff out in the fractal simulator of bonobo troupes and piggie sounders!

      Of course, those Nephilim are a different story. To fit a fallen angel inside a pig-ape, you’ve got to streeetch the cranium, like an undersized latex glove.

      • MM says:

        > Thal women were raped en masse and we are their socially retarded (But master race I swear!) progeny.
        > Humans were created when pigs got raped by monkeys.
        I FINALLY get it, Koanic. You have a cuckold fetish!
        This fits your phrenology perfectly!! Receeding chin= cuck! (like Lindsey Graham)
        Throw in some bestiality and you must REALLY get the tingles!!!

        • kensuimo says:

          Can’t speak as to Koanic’s kink, but he’s approaching the higher end of chinproj spectrum. Are you on Altrugenics? The best lies contain seeds of truth. The best trolling requires some factual basis. Invest in your passion.

          Also, sperging for just a sec: as Aeoli has explained ad nauseum, directing cognitive adaptations toward social function is an extremely productive strategy in large scale society. Directing adaptions elsewhere and still managing to function within society (I expect you to exert some scrutiny on this point) is impressive to say the least.

          Also, writeprint, downwardnose.

          • MM says:

            >he’s approaching the higher end of chinproj spectrum.
            On the negative axis.

            To be technically correct, he has a chin. Just no jawline.
            >Altrugenics
            Being here gets me more than a days worth of vitamin A(utism).
            >Directing adaptations to non social stuff and still functioning.
            Are you asking for advice? Be specific.

            • Ophiuchus says:

              >Directing adaptations to non-social stuff and still functioning

              I think I can glean what he means by the simple fact that this conversation is taking place in the comment section of The Internet’s Preeminent Thal Blog. He means adaptations directed toward intellectually deep, specialized interests at the expense of easy/harmonious social functionality. Being a “sperg” if you will.
              Frankly, I’m inclined to agree with him, and I think it’s a bullshit (and really, untenable and destructive) state of affairs that society has gotten to this point in the first place–that point being that there’s no place in society anymore for introverted intellectual types, among other hideous things–hence my involvement with Altrugenics.

    • Koanic says:

      Aha – I omitted the point of this ramble, which was that no, I have not shared your typing info. Your life story is simply archetypal Owl Melon!

  3. kensuimo says:

    “One testable hypothesis is that owl melons should have a strong hormonal response to independence from male authorities (relative to a control group), marking the end of their adolescence. ”

    Are you suggesting this is autoinduced? Or happenstance? And wouldn’t this conflict with their purported role as officers? They’ll still exist under a general. Shades of grey type thing- once they get a certain latitude with their command the hormone response is evoked?

    • Heaviside says:

      Please refrain from saying that about Hitler.

    • Koanic says:

      If Hitler was gamma, one may doubt that alphas exist.

      Alphas have flaws. Hitler’s flaws were pretty alpha.

      Remember that Democracy is a woman,
      and women make terrible mate choices.

    • kensuimo says:

      I agree but I fail to see how this answers my questions- which pertain to timing of independence and the stimulus for the resulting hormonal response.

    • bicebicebice says:

      reminds me of the emperors guard, “electing” the emperors themselves, pretty funny

  4. Melons melons melons… can’t we all just stop setting boundaries willy nilly and agree be begrudgingly tolerate each other for the sake of brevity via some sort of crass and over-elaborate initiation ceremony? That way we can all carve up the pie according to a clearly defined flow of predetermined outcomes and decimation of those at the fringes.

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