Transition from Destiny to Quest in the genius’s journey

This is my humble opinion of how it tends to happen, re: Charlton.

The beginning of the Destiny phase is simply the existence of traits that are necessary but not sufficient for genius: such as intelligence, conscientiousness, and associative horizon (typically in the form of Asperger’s syndrome). Then life happens. For the two necessary addictions to take hold, there are two plausible scenarios. 1) The budding genius is upper class and insulated, so that the attendant dysfunctions (roughly equivalent to a cocaine addiction) are not particularly harmful. Or 2) the budding genius becomes an antisocial pariah and is ostracized to live in squalor except for occasional charity from admirers (e.g. Niels Abel).

The former is a variant of typical upper class prestige competition and is less interesting, psychologically, than the pariah. The pariah’s journey from Destiny to Quest begins in a condition equivalent to paranoid schizophrenia, as a psychological defense against small acts of ostracism. This kicks off a vicious feedback loop of misunderstandings between the pariah and the people around him, resulting in poverty for the pariah. This leads to a state of autistic despair, because the pariah either fails in cognitive empathy or refuses to navigate the antisocial morality that social climbing requires. E.g. “I’m starving because nobody cares, because people are shit.”

This emotional disassociation leads to intellectual solipsism, which is where the cognitive process begins to rebuild itself according to more empirical premises. (During this period, I was an agnostic for a full week and spent that week lying in bed.) The distilled empiricist takes on the painstaking task of building a worldview that is functional enough to survive. This is where the addiction to insight generally takes hold, because the pariah is dopamine-starved at precisely the moment when producing insights is also the most effective use of brainpower. The insight addiction produces an intellectual with an interest in gaining understanding and wisdom, which in turn eventually produces an interest in the most profound expressions thereof: art. This is due to the progression of the addiction, such that the “fix” must be more and more intense over time.

Believe it or not, people are attracted to great art because it bypasses the political mind and goes straight to the perceptual/worship center of the brain. Thus, geniuses who go through the full metamorphosis (without interruption of development!) will often gather many admirers and finally attain some success through artistic expression of intellectual insights. This final step is what we call “genius”.

Depending on how much time is left in the genius’s life, they may enjoy some of their success. This is the period where hard work and discipline are the major elements for unpacking and disambiguating the profound insight gained from many years of searching for the truth.

tl;dr- The substages leading the pariah type from Destiny to Quest are Paranoia, Despair, Solipsism, Empiricism, Intellectualism, Art, Genius.

Advertisements

About Aeoli Pera

Maybe do this later?
This entry was posted in Uncategorized. Bookmark the permalink.

51 Responses to Transition from Destiny to Quest in the genius’s journey

  1. Koanic says:

    10/10 occ win

    Tolkienesque psychological biogroccphy.

  2. purpletigerbot says:

    What if Im just an antisocial pariah stuck in autistic despair, but my IQ isn’t high enough to become a genius?

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      My IQ is only about 135. That said, this is a good question. I think the key will be the translation of neurotypical social skills into red pill aspietalk. There’s a reasonable chance we can succeed in a single generation.

      • purpletigerbot says:

        > My IQ is only about 135. That said, this is a good question. I think the key will be the translation of neurotypical social skills into red pill aspie talk. There’s a reasonable chance we can succeed in a single generation.

        I’m in the same range IQ wise but my mind has been ravaged by depression/anxiety/isolation (I did get a 99th percentile GRE score recently so I may be salvageable). Figuring out a method to get aspies of the paranoia/despair will relieve a lot of suffering. Normie advice for getting out of despair ==> workout/eat healthy/walk!/kill social media => get job/currency => get purpose/confidence/independence/life meaning etc etc is GOOD ADVICE for normies (please don’t call people wage cucks). But I imagine the issue is the job part is terrible for aspies => the work environment is often much more painful/stressful/frustrating than the independence/currency it creates.

        > The substages leading the pariah type from Destiny to Quest are Paranoia, Despair, Solipsism, Empiricism, Intellectualism, Art, Genius.

        So I guess my point is that we basically need to concurrently develop a dumbed down business major course of this path for smart, but non-genius aspies.

    • Son of Distant Trebizond says:

      Also, given your likely atrocious mis-education, it’s probable that you’re intellectually functioning somewhat below your genetic potential. Read something suitably encouraging like ‘man’s unconquerable mind’. Take long walks or swims. Do easy maths problems and keep a journal (or a blergh). Thought may very well return to fields long laid fallow.

    • Learn to arbitrage opportunity. Make friends with a strong negotiator who is disaffected. Black Vaishya caste people, for example, are always looking to make internet startups and they understand social value and they struggle to find nerds to work with. Just make sure to have stuff in writing and be firm on deals. Look for early stage coalitions/organisations with strong potential. Fit in where you can add a lot of value.

      Play an anti-fragile strategy. Do what’s necessary to live with minimal stress on your mental and physical health and leave time and space for education and opportunity. And when you see the opportunity stake your claim early and get in and out in the early hype cycle. Don’t wait around to get bullied off the kill. In and out and ghost about. Use technology learn AI, learn Data Science, learn blockchain, learn in demand skills.

      Basically you’re going to have to play cute in the shadows and hope to land a whale in the long term.

      • And in survival mode your greatest asset is your morale. Yes you may be a refugee but you can still exist with basic dignity and goodness. Flowers are still beautful, puppies are still cute, the night’s sky is still wondrous, no one polishes the sun.

        Be sure to take basic joy in things from time to time. It’s not all bad.

        • purpletigerbot says:

          > And in survival mode your greatest asset is your morale. Yes you may be a refugee but you can still exist with basic dignity and goodness. Flowers are still beautful, puppies are still cute, the night’s sky is still wondrous, no one polishes the sun.

          > Be sure to take basic joy in things from time to time. It’s not all bad.

          Thanks. It is important to remind myself this. I bought and binge played a game on Steam yesterday (Fez) and felt a huge rush of relaxation that I haven’t felt in ages. Stress is a killer man.

      • purpletigerbot says:

        > Do what’s necessary to live with minimal stress on your mental and physical health and leave time and space for education and opportunity. And when you see the opportunity stake your claim early and get in and out in the early hype cycle. Don’t wait around to get bullied off the kill. In and out and ghost about. Use technology learn AI, learn Data Science, learn blockchain, learn in demand skills.

        Am doing this now!

        > Basically you’re going to have to play cute in the shadows and hope to land a whale in the long term.

        That’s my strategy, but short term is has left me as an aspie shut in. And this is a bad situation b/c I’m certain Im around Aeoli’s age (mid/late 20s based on clues here and there?).

  3. Son of Distant Trebizond says:

    I once spent a week in bed after a university tutorial.

    • purpletigerbot says:

      Why?

      • Aeoli Pera says:

        Ditto this question.

        • Son of Distant Trebizond says:

          A chemistry tutorial, at a world-renowned university whose centuries- long pedigree found its acme in that field. Yet neither the professor, nor any one of the students seemed remotely interested in chemistry, nor in any knowledge deeper than options noted on an answer sheet. I finally realised that the hateful mind-numbing that was totally dominant in school was not simply inflicted on children, but persisted to the very apex of Societies great Institutes of Thought. The implications of this kept me in bed all week.

          That, and the seasons were changing; I always get a bit skeezy around the equinox.

          • purpletigerbot says:

            Ended up in a similar situation as you => realized uni was a LARPing cargo cult with everyone pretending to do education and scholarship … dropped out midterm and just slept for a while. Fortunately, I eventually graduated, but I’ve been recovering ever since.

    • Lazer says:

      I didnt sleep for three days after I found Texas Arcanes blog. I shut my laptop and wandered the streets.

  4. Pseudorandom Byspammer says:

    Unrelated but still worth posting; check out this recent MT aspie suicide:

    https://willopines.wordpress.com/2017/04/19/punched-out/

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      Added to list of red pills regarding Asperger’s syndrome.

      • Pseudorandom Byspammer says:

        Can you share that list? New information is always welcome. Also, you might want to backup that post in case his blog gets deleted.

        Was also thinking about this. I’d say it applies to INTxs and TTs ( and to lesser degree xTs) in general: http://oddlydevelopedtypes.com/content/intps-and-aspergers-syndrome-0

        “A preference for being alone; leading a solitary lifestyle; “spacing out (involuntarily);” “shutting out, blocking (deliberately);” having a hyperaroused nervous system; being unaware of the outside world; communicating in an associative manner; thinking in an associative manner; proceeding from specifics to generalities; thinking in pictures; lack of social skills; a limited choice of careers; “relentless reading;” perseveration; and immaturity.”

        Neurotypicals don’t know what they lose by trying to normalize spergs. True creativity can’t be compartmentalized. One does not have a daily “genius hour” while spending rest of the time in their shared social dreamworld pretending that everything is fine. They are like schizophrenics that are somehow allowed to run the madhouse, capture new inmates and mercilessly attack anyone who’s sane. Living among them is just an act to get along without any real belonging, companionship or mutual understanding. Just be a good boy and you don’t get ripped apart. Final solution to the Neurotypical Question when?

    • purpletigerbot says:

      Tons of red pills. Shows the harsh reality of being a functional aspie => all the social responsibilities/norms with little benefit and mostly pain (for all parties involved)

      ===

      Unable to communicate without frustration

      > And so the simple way to say it is this: I was done. I was tired of fighting to try to share my experiences, ideas, and views. Large portions of my conversations with most everyone contained frustration where I let things go that bug me.

      ===

      The pain of small talk

      > That really stuck with me. My brother has mad social skills. He can walk into any place where people speak English and in a few minutes he’ll be engaged in conversation and having a grand ole time.

      > I remember looking at him and wondering what it would be like to experience that. Small talk literally hurt. I loathed it. Why? I found it stressful. Seriously. It induced stress. And that’s a problem.

      ===

      Production/output feels empty without an audience to share with

      > I learned long ago that producing something I found useful / valuable did not mean anyone else would see it as useful / valuable. One must market it: show others it use / value. And that may seem straight forward, but it isn’t.

      > And there’s the rub: strategic social interactions are front and center in that process. Or so it seemed to me. Either way I was just poor at it.

      ===

      Being tone def with women and colleagues

      > But I was often surprised when someone, or a group of people, responded to me with anger, etc. Over the years I came to understand myself as adopting a tone that has been described to me by various women in my life as “that tone,” “obnoxious” or “condescending.”

      > Sometimes I recognized what they were referring to. But, and this is the difficult part, I very frequently did not. Indeed, my ex-wife had to put up with more than a decade of me responding very defensively when she would make that observation.

      > Sadly, it took a comment from a colleague, Shaun Bowler, to help me see that I was, indeed, tone deaf. “You know you piss people off,” he said, almost off handedly. He had no incentive to do so, and for that reason it stuck with me. “I guess I must,” is how I filed it.

      > Several years later another colleague, Matt Golder, would similarly say to me, roughly, “You really should be more careful with how you say things.” I honestly did not know what / how I had said whatever it was I said, but I had by then long accepted that I piss people off without being aware that I was likely to do so (i.e., w/o the intention of doing so).

      ===

      argh I’m just going to end up quote the whole thing => go read it! It is just a great insight into the aspie struggle and just confirms that current approaches to get aspies to fit in aren’t working => this guy just proves that regardless of your IQ/social rank, you’re never going to eventually ‘get it’, be accepted, or be functionally happy by trying to be a normie in a normie world => need better strategies!

      ===

      Also made me realize my social woes are not too autistic in any sense => tho I’m still suspicious considering I was born to a 40+ yo father

    • Son of Distant Trebizond says:

      Worth noting that that guy was pretty deep into the SJW; a soul-shredder that’ll send anyone over the edge eventually. His indifference and apathy (Olympian Detachment) towards his own demise is diagnostic.

      “It is incredible how little this knowledge moved him. It could not, because he had long ceased to believe in knowledge itself. He had passed from Hegel into Hume, thence through Pragmatism, and thence through Logical Positivism, and out at last to the complete void. The indicative mood now corresponded to no thought his mind could entertain. Now, even the imminence of his own ruin could not wake him”

  5. Santoculto says:

    We need know if solitude and “voluntary’ social ostracism may cause genius in some individuals, if it increase or reinforce this (intrinsic) dispositions or if whatever circumstances geniuses here they always will be like that and instead a causal relationship solitude usually follows genius path because he/they need this individual space to create, they need build this personal “territory of thinking” to focus their mind in more obsessive and deep way. So we are in other non solved question: Genius is only diversely incredible achievements (what they did)?? Or genius start conceptually from itself?? ( what they are). Maybe we need two concepts. The potential concept and the achievement concept to differentiate achieved genius versus non achieved genius, but also the general nature of genius. Intelligence general or particular is the hyper perception. Genius is the hyper perception but also hyper originality disposition. This would be the potential/ and general nature of genius, that is present in both realized and non realized genius. But we also need analyze If there is such thing non realized genius, if they are minority of this group or otherwise.

    • bicebicebice says:

      +1 Nobilid

      • Santoculto says:

        I believe specially mentalistic geniuses who will be very prone to the total or predominant solitude because their very complex personalities, sense of socially irreconcilable uniqueness as well great capacity to perceive incongruences in all social, political and religious or cultural spheres very well personified by Zarathustra and Schoppenhauer. In other hand technical or scientific geniuses seems are less prone to be this type of psychological “complexity’ as well great attention to the mentalistic details, or, more simple to simpleton in their personalities. I have in my mind Isaac Newton and Charles Darwin as example of brilliant intellect but possibly less complex personalities.

  6. Santoculto says:

    Paranoid is the people with lower self esteem and higher narcissism.

    • Ophiuchus says:

      I definitely agree with that; I’ve noticed a similar trend in people over time.

      Low self esteem + low narcissism = beta bob
      Low self esteem + high narcissism = paranoid pete
      High self esteem + high narcissism = megalomaniac mike
      High self esteem + low narcissism = alpha andy

      • Santoculto says:

        I’m average paranoid i know what i’m talking about, it’s personal, ;). But thanks god i have self consciousness about my trends to megalomania, enough to avoid go deep in ridiculous self-created situations. I think it’s common about highly creative people [not necessarily smarter ones]. Creative power make us think we are near to god or at least induce us to believe we are superior than other people, even because intuitive style also make us at the same time more genuinely humble.

        Other situation is: some people have very lower tolerance to interpersonal ambiguities. [socially] Paranoid people usually ”over-interpret” social signs, but this ”over-interpretation” can be right, and sometimes is. This uncertainty if people are being: frank, false, nasty or good with you is the food to increase this trends to over-interpretation.

        I can’t tolerate irrational disrespect against my person, this is the food that nurture my paranoid ”vulnerabilities’.

  7. Son of Distant Trebizond says:

    Ever read any Colin Wilson, Aeoli?

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      No sir, been meaning to.

      • Son of Distant Trebizond says:

        I’d start with ‘The Occult’, or maybe ‘The Philosopher’s Stone’. If the insight porn is to your taste, you’re spoilt for choice for further reading… ‘The Outsider’ is also a very thard-friendly book, though slightly less interesting by my count.

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s