Sorry about the formatting on that one line, I was in a rush.
Last updated: 5-11-17
Doesn’t work. I’m not a Burger.
Sorry, I should have specified American Alt-Right. I’ll fix that after work.
Pretty sure Andrew Anglin doesn’t own the white race.
A lot of Alt-Right are former libertarians, so that question about did you ever support the republican party is a little bit off; also, a lot of alt-righters saw the republicucks for what they were since the beginning; this doesn’t make them libertarians.
I’m alt ism :P
Chart doesn’t work for me.
“Did you…during the election?”
Yes, but cynically.
“…Do you support the Republican party in general?”
No, and I never have.
“You are a libertarian.”
But I’m not, and never have been.
[EDIT: Looks like Mycroft Jones already made this observation. Saw his comment after I had already typed this.]
I think the alt-west/alt-white distinction is a bad one. First, it doesn’t make a clear delineation between the camps that actually exist. “Alt west” is in many ways not alt at all; writers like Victor David Hansen emphasize Christianity as a touchstone for “Western Civilization” (I wish we would do away with that phrase) and get published by National Review. It’s unclear who is supposed to be “alt white” (internet trolls? bloggers? “Anime Nazis”?). In fact, the only thinkers I know of that fits the “alt white” description well are not even associated with the alt right. I think VD just coined this concept in a similar way to his “Sigma male” idea- a sloppy add-on to established ideas that muddy the overall categorization schema, but offer a special place for himself.
I’m curious to know whether it’s the race question that separates you from libertarianism, or more of an aesthetic thing. Regardless, you are an extreme outlier and I’m only identifying mainline trends of 1,000 people or more.
>I think the alt-west/alt-white distinction is a bad one. First, it doesn’t make a clear delineation between the camps that actually exist. “Alt west” is in many ways not alt at all; writers like Victor David Hansen emphasize Christianity as a touchstone for “Western Civilization” (I wish we would do away with that phrase) and get published by National Review
That’s why you have to go through the Trump and mainstream conservative filters before that question comes up.
>VD just coined this concept in a similar way to his “Sigma male” idea- a sloppy add-on to established ideas that muddy the overall categorization schema, but offer a special place for himself.
HAHAHA so true.
Hard to beat Vox’s narcissism sometimes. I’m surprised no one has trolled him on that.
They have tried and failed. James LaFond calls it the taboo man, from a different angle.
It’s not impossible. I think if someone worked the Christian angle it could work.
Comments like this are why I miss you.
Feedback on this has been very helpful so far. Formatting aside, here are the changes I intend to make.
First and most important is that we need a line to get from libertarian to somewhere in the Alt-Right, per Mycroft and Glenn. A couple of people mentioned that most of the Alt-Right actually comes straight out of libertarianism, which is true. I think what I’m gonna do is make a line straight to the race question, because I think at least 95% of former libertarians were converted to Alt-Right by flipping from equalism to racism. Good enough for a macro flowchart.
I need to specify that this flowchart only applies to Americans, per Thal Melon.
I intend to dismiss Koanic’s complaint re: Anglin, because the man’s audience cannot be denied as a major demographic. If the Alt-White could play well with others, he’d have a spot on Fox News by now. I intend to dismiss Glenn’s complaint that Alt-West is not a real demographic. I consider this a solipsistic attempt to meme people they don’t like out of their subculture. I intend to dismiss people who didn’t support any party and have no leanings, on the grounds that moderates don’t matter (re: feedback through Gmail).
>If the Alt-White could play well with others, he’d have a spot on Fox News by now.
This is one of the most ridiculous things you’ve ever said.
There was a bit of hyperbole, but consider Tucker Carlson for reference.
I don’t know that much about either Carlson or Anglin but Anglin uses the symbols of the NSDAP and that makes all of the difference in the world. Whether Anglin realizes it or not he is declaring that he is a traitor to the USA, and traitors are exactly what this country needs.
As of now, I don’t support any changes to the chart. It delineates the mainstream branches aptly.
If I wish to change the chart, I must first convince the major camps to redefine their identities.
Looking forward to it.
Take the Alt-Lite as an example. The way to move them to Alt-West or Alt-White is to step upward in the chart until you find the fork where they went the wrong way (race question), create the context for them to change their minds (HBD stats for thinkers, anecdotes for feelers), and then take advantage of a crisis which violates their expectations to give them the new explanatory framework.
This method is what the Alt-White does best.
Anglin’s audience is certainly very impressive. He’s pulling numbers similar to mainstream normie outlets but without the office and worker drones. It’s run from his room on a laptop. Fake news, take notes.
“I intend to dismiss Glenn’s complaint that Alt-West is not a real demographic.”
There are many people who believe the particular things that Vox includes in the “Alt-West” concept, but they don’t really form a coherent group. “Alt-White” is an even more ambiguous group (has VD given a single example of them?). I simply see no reason why “Alt-West/White” is an efficient way of sorting people.
The best I can do to salvage the Alt-West/White concept is to instead divide the Alt-Right into conservative and radical segments. Of course, Vox Day, a man who styles himself “the Dark Lord,” wouldn’t like being thrown in fuddy duddy conservatives. And Alt-Lite is just Alt-Right style with cuckservative (or even liberal) substance.
“If the Alt-White could play well with others, he’d have a spot on Fox News by now.”
Oh come on.
Do you agree with any variant of the statement “White people are the only race that doesn’t follow such and such population growth law?”
“Do you agree with any variant…?”
That’s something that requires some thought. I do think different groups are disparate with regards to breeding patterns. I don’t think the conclusion I will come to will precisely follow the format you outlined, though.
Alt-West can be thought of as the Orthosphere and Co. It is a group that will grow ever more coherent with continued outside pressure.
* golf clap *
“Neo-Con is probably a better stand in.”
Neoconservatism is a mostly Jewish clique that is focused on foreign policy questions, with some residual support for capitalism thrown in. I don’t think it has an overwhelming amount to do with what normal conservatives think.
Looking pretty accurate with the update.
I’m a special snowflake, but I’m not a moderate and my opinion matters. Deal with it.
I don’t support Trump because he is an obvious psychopath and anyone who thinks otherwise is profoundly disabled in social intuition. I don’t lean left.
In this game you just have to pick your favourite psychopath :^)
Psychopathy is a spectrum of traits, many of them potentially highly beneficial IE no fear response. Also some psychopaths are more moral than normies as their rational morality comes from pure logic and not “Thuh feelz!!”(Ive wondered if aspies have any relation to this)
Psychopathy acceptance, ya’ll its 2018.
Seriously though who gives a flying fuck if he’s a psycho as long as he gives us time to prepare for ITZ, builds the wall, and doesn’t start fucking world war three with Russia like the Hildabeast would’ve.
I never quite figured out what “ITZ” is supposed to mean, but I’m assuming we wouldn’t have to worry about it or any of those other things if psychopathy were eradicated from the gene pool.
Going by your idea of eradicating undesired genes it would be more effective to let the psyhcopaths run amok and nuke 99% of humanity.
It would? How? Eliminating psychopathy would enable us real, actual humans to live in peace and harmony for many, many generations into the future. My idea makes things better and your idea makes things worse.
If we could come up with a way to reliably identify psychopaths and kill them and all of their blood relatives in early childhood before they become a menace, then all of the world’s problems would be solved in a single generation, leading to a peaceful utopia. No more wars, no more usury, no more mass surveillance, no more terrorism, no more pedophile pizza restaurants, no more useless products and degenerate media pushed on us by the “forces of capitalism”, no more massive corporations violating worker’s rights and polluting the environment, etc. etc. etc. you name it and without psychopaths, it’s gone.
We all recognize that there are serious problems with this world, but everybody seems to blame something different for those problems. Some people blame a religion, some blame a race, some blame nebulous ideas like “greed”. As a result, we see all kinds of crazy ideologies like alt-right, feminism, communism, etc. spring up as a reaction to whichever bogeyman their adherents have decided to blame. All of those groups are missing the forest for the trees. The ROOT cause of all of the mentioned problems is PSYCHOPATHY. The only way to make these problems stop reliably and permanently is to COMPLETELY excise the genes which cause it from the human gene pool, so that it never again comes back unless it somehow occurs as a spontaneous mutation (and, of course, we’d be keeping a watchful eye to nip that mutation in the bud). Once that is done, all of those problems will be a distant memory, because real, actual people find them abhorrent.
>”Crazy” ideologies like the alt right
>Let’s mass murder any man woman and child that even carries psycho genes(No matter their IQ, utility, or ACTUAL RECORD)
Fucking hell the autism burns me.
Far beyond Glosoli teir. I’m ok with him next to whatever the fuck you are.
edenicfacereading, I would rather be friends with the average psycho than an insane, utopian, asswipe like you.
Be nice, he’s in college. Nobody deserves that fate.
“Everyone I don’t like is an inhuman monster and should get the firing squad.”
I’m pretty sure the psychopaths would end up running that shitshow xD
If your solution would work except that humans don’t work that way… your solution is garbage. Most utopian thinking has this problem, this is the problem with Communism, but at least they didn’t go STRAIGHT TO THE FIRING SQUADS. They had a famine first.
Here’s 5 ways your “eliminate psychopathy” idea would go off the rails and inevitably lead to death and sorrow:
1: Psychopath geneticists get on the Board of Directors for whatever lab you’re trying to use to find psychopathy genes. Because of current academic climate, pretty likely. Whoops!
2: The government is stuffed with compromised pedophiles who use the cause as an excuse to nab kids for trafficking. (You don’t think you can do a mass sterilization/extermination/eugenics program without govt. oversight, do you?)
3: Required diversity hiring laws -> SJW infiltration -> Change definition of “psychopath” to “Trump Supporter”, proceed with extermination.
4: Bureaucratic organization with extermination mandate… finds out that “Your baby is a psychopath, we are putting your child down for society”… REALLY doesn’t go over well with parents. Civil War 2, rivers of blood.
5: Okay, we won’t tell the parents. Get the spies and PsyOps guys to brainwash people into sending their kids to psycho camp and do gene therapy experiments from there. MK-ULTRA: MK-ULTRA HARDER. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra#Canadian_experiments
Nothing says “curing the world of psychopathy” like week long drug comas and 40x power brain shocks. Diaper vegetables can’t be psychopaths, it’s science!
Good rule of thumb: Any plan where you have to kill off a hundred thousand people in the name of peaceful utopia is a bad plan. Genocide isn’t very peaceful OR utopian. You really can’t be too careful with this kind mass murdering idea virus. #triggered
>Good rule of thumb: Any plan where you have to kill off a hundred thousand people in the name of peaceful utopia is a bad plan.
Right. You have to kill a hundred million.
(For some reason I can’t reply to your last comment @12:52.)
I agree with your comment. It was just a dark joke with which I tried to point out that even if you remove the psychopaths, there won’t be much of those “real, actual humans”. Most people lack the required hardwiring for humanity without necessarily being psychopaths (like the average african who would smash your head in because their dead relative told them to) or seem to be happy with how things are and have been since the beginning of time (your average white person or a “cro-magnon” / agrarian). Hell, even the latter group would happily kill you if given a convincing enough reason by the right people. Obviously removing the psychopaths at various levels and positions of societies would make it harder for the average people to exercise their shittiness and they would likely at best form small local communities with little real-world influence or alternatively slowly devolve back to apes. What I’m trying to say that the psychopaths have assumed their heavenly (and pretty earthly as well, I must say) mandated role as our masters and live almost symbiotically with the majority of people. They have either been brainwashed or are simply happy to have their whole lives designed for themselves and I’m inclined towards the latter. I can quarantee you that the average person doesn’t view their life as much more than just one long routine to be twitched through with little idealism or thought. It would be a grave mistake to expect in them the same degree of humanity that you have. But this topic is too complex to be summarized in a single comment or by me. I think this belongs in the things that the right people already intuitively understand and the rest won’t even if you spell it to them.
There’s also a big caveat to your idea of eradicating psychopathy. As always, the psychopaths themselves would capture it for their means because they control hierarchies and the information that is distilled down to the masses. It would likely end in early mass killings of people like you and me to secure the psychopaths’ positions even further. Think about how things like ADD, ADHD, ODD and conduct disorders are handled currently and what kind of people tend to get slapped with them. We would have another complete thalocaust in our hands, marketed by the psychopaths as our best interest and blindly executed by people lower in the command chain, as always. We live in an abstract multi-level prison hell without escape, my fellow inmate.
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