Many-armed trope is a denisovan identifier in fiction

This ties in with Kensuimo’s weird Chinese tonic function theories. As I understand it (not very well), he says that melons have overactive 2nd fire meridians which have to do with reaching and grasping motions and the concomitant psychology of attraction, domination, and predation. So I expect he will be particularly interested in this post.

This line of thought was inspired by a comic relief character in Final Fantasy 9 called Alleyway Jack, whose real name turns out to be Gilgamesh if you follow through on a side quest.

Here’s the relevant stuff from his wiki. This sounds like the sort of author insert Lizard King would write.

“Enough expository banter! Now we fight like men! And ladies! And ladies who dress like men! For Gilgamesh…it is morphing time!”
—Gilgamesh, Final Fantasy V

Gilgamesh (ギルガメッシュ, Girugamesshu?) is a recurring character in the Final Fantasy series. Initially introduced as a antagonist, he has made a number of appearances in remakes and later titles. To date, Gilgamesh has had more appearances in any Final Fantasy media than any other character, and may be the only character to appear in more than one game in the main series (see below). Gilgamesh began a tradition of an incompetent, comical, yet persistent recurring boss for the player to face.

Gilgamesh’s role has varied greatly from ally, to enemy, to summon, but for most of his appearances he is a traveling sword collector who battles with a variety of rare and powerful weapons. In most, if not all, of his appearances, Gilgamesh is searching for the legendary sword, Excalibur, but often ends up with the imitation known as Excalipoor…

Gilgamesh’s appearance has varied subtly in each game, but in all his appearances he has a gray complexion, red/orange armor, and as many as eight arms in which he holds an arsenal of different weapons. Gilgamesh’s trademark weapon is a type of polearm known as a naginata, but he also uses rare and powerful swords collected from around the world. He considers himself a master swordsman, but usually ends up running away after being defeated.

Usually, Gilgamesh appears with only two or four of his arms visible; it is only after he “morphs” that he reveals his true form, bearing six or eight arms…

Unlike other recurring characters, like Cid and Biggs and Wedge, Gilgamesh has generally the same appearance and personality in every game he appears in (but not always). As implied in Final Fantasy VIII and confirmed in Dissidia 012 Final Fantasy, this is because the Gilgamesh seen in the series is actually the same person, traveling between worlds via portals in the Rift…

Though he frequently appears to challenge the party and is first featured as a villain, Gilgamesh is not truly evil. In Final Fantasy V he is saddened when he learns of Galuf’s fate, and when he is banished to the Interdimensional Rift he almost offers to join the party, and sacrifices himself so the party can defeat Necrophobe. In Final Fantasy VIII he becomes the party’s ally, and again is not hostile in Final Fantasy IX (though he attempts to steal gil from the party several times).

Gilgamesh
Final Fantasy Wiki

This got me thinking about other places I’ve seen this “many arms” trope. The first that comes to mind is that guy from Mortal Kombat, Goro.

Goro is part of the four-armed half-human, half-dragon race, called the Shokan. In the original game he has been champion of the Mortal Kombat tournament for 500 years before being defeated by eventual tournament champion Liu Kang.

Goro
Infogalactic

Turns out the Mortal Kombat lore is pretty heavy on the esoteric stuff, when you start looking at this Shokan race. When you play those games it seems like the creators were just trying to have as much fun as possible, so it’s anybody’s guess whether any of it is intentional.

Goro is associated with the element of Fire. Like Kintaro, he could either project fireballs either from his mouth or his hands. In Shaolin Monks, he was able to shoot one fireball from each hand. He could also manipulate fire in his hands if he needed to attack using them.

Goro
Mortal Kombat wiki

The Shokan or sometimes the Shokans, are a mighty race of half-human, half-dragon warriors that live in the subterranean kingdom of Kuatan in Outworld…

The Shokan also own the Cobalt Mines, a huge mining facility and prison in Outworld.

Shokan
Mortal Kombat wiki

Illuminarti confirmed.

Looking through a Google image search, these guys are often depicted similarly to the imagined Denisovan reconstruction used for the intro of Andrew Collins’ speech that inspired my crazy melonhead origin theory.

If you want to dig into this rabbit hole, here’s some more reading material.

Enkidu (FF)
Goro (MK)
Edenians (MK)
Centaurians (MK) (probably a cultural stand-in for neanderthals)
Multi-Armed and Dangerous (TV Tropes)
Multi-armed Multitasking (TV Tropes)
Elfen Lied, regarding the indigo children’s “vectors” (TV Tropes)
Spider Limbs (TV Tropes)

All of that is to say, when you see a person with more than two arms in fiction, you’re probably looking at an artistic representation of a denisovan or melonhead.

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28 Responses to Many-armed trope is a denisovan identifier in fiction

  1. Akuma says:

    “All of that is to say, when you see a person with more than two arms in fiction, you’re probably looking at an artistic representation of a denisovan or melonhead.”

    Or the creator(s) smoked a bunch of weed and looked at some Hindu art

    • Akuma says:

      Actually the Mortal Kombat characters loom like the denisovan skull.

      • Aeoli Pera says:

        Next episode on Aeoli Pera: were Mongols the Real Jews?

        This is a joke but I wonder why it’s funny to me.

      • Ophiucuck says:

        >Denisovan skull

        I’m fairly certain they actually haven’t found a full Denisovan skull yet, only skull fragments that the Chinese speculate to be Denisovans. The skull in your pic is from the Sima de los Huesos cache if I’m not mistaken. Interestingly, a femur from that site returned mtDNA more similar to Denisovans than Neanderthals–but the later analysis of the actual Nuclear DNA was very heavily Neanderthal. This implies a common ancestor from whom these two races split off from, one group staying in Europe and becoming Thals, the other wandering off to Oceania to become Denisovoid cannibal autists. Either that or there was already matrilineal mixing going on in that very distant period across vast distances. Or something. I’m not sure, my anthro-lore is weak. Still an intredasting find.

        Possible Chinese Denisovan skulls:

        Click to access Late-Pleistocene-archaic-human-crania-from-Xuchang-China.pdf

  2. glosoli says:

    What do you call a man with no arms and no legs floating in the sea?

    PS, I’m in Iceland.

  3. kensuimo says:

    2nd *phase* fire, just to clarify. Predation, not necessarily. Think rather prowess, capacity, coordination, all in the context of relation or control. Any Mx will have good 2F funtion due their heightened acetylcholine levels- this is they have an objectifying attitude, on a deep level. 2F enables differentiation between outside the self and inside the self, which acetylcholine effects on a cellular level by polarizing cell membranes. As a slight tangent this also explains why Mxs are right at home meeting new people- underfunctioning 2F leads to a sense of being surrounded by the wrong crowd, which they rarely seem to exhibit. Certainly they may consider someone too low ranking to merit their company, but that would be earth overfunction- contemptuous, arrogant, proud. Curiously enough 2F and earth are inverses on the time chart, implying a duality or interplay between their cofunction. Food for thought.

    Anyway, this post didn’t immediately click for me, which probably means you’re operating at a level of abstraction above my scope. Nonetheless I’m pleased you were able to put my ideas to use in novel ways.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      >2nd *phase* fire, just to clarify. Predation, not necessarily. Think rather prowess, capacity, coordination, all in the context of relation or control. Any Mx will have good 2F funtion due their heightened acetylcholine levels- this is they have an objectifying attitude, on a deep level. 2F enables differentiation between outside the self and inside the self, which acetylcholine effects on a cellular level by polarizing cell membranes. As a slight tangent this also explains why Mxs are right at home meeting new people- underfunctioning 2F leads to a sense of being surrounded by the wrong crowd, which they rarely seem to exhibit. Certainly they may consider someone too low ranking to merit their company, but that would be earth overfunction- contemptuous, arrogant, proud. Curiously enough 2F and earth are inverses on the time chart, implying a duality or interplay between their cofunction. Food for thought.

      What I meant to say, obviously.

      >Anyway, this post didn’t immediately click for me, which probably means you’re operating at a level of abstraction above my scope. Nonetheless I’m pleased you were able to put my ideas to use in novel ways.

      It’s a very woo observation, but it feels like a good one.

      • Ophiucuck says:

        >Predation

        Predation comes from the front. M-Back will go for the glory; how this happens will be determined by frontal characteristics.

        Filthy Frank’s backswept parietal compels him to become a man of renown and knows just how to do it. However, his large, maximally-spaced eyes do not allow him to predate on others to fulfill his quest. He thus becomes a producer of free Youtube entertainment as opposed to, say, a financial parasite or swindler.

  4. Son of Distant Trebizond says:

    Tokin’ hard on your AH-fuelled gusts right now, brah

    Keep it coming.

    • Ophiucuck says:

      This is why you should submit your typing pics and become a full member of our autism-cult in earnest. If you think this stuff is dank, wait til you see Kensuimo-posting at full power in the TM barony. He’s got a gang of that shit fam.

      • kensuimo says:

        Pdfs available upon request.

        • Son of Distant Trebizond says:

          My jam.

          Obvious Edenic social dynamics on display, too…

          • Son of Distant Trebizond says:

            And I’ve already had a taste of Kensuimo’s legendary acu-posting via PM’s. Submitting a proper typing profile is on my medium-range to-do list right now. Will prolly get around to it in the next couple months.

  5. Ophiucuck says:

    0:08

    illerminati

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      I really enjoy anime…but I can’t stand anime fandom.

      • Ophiucuck says:

        There are a select few animus that I enjoy (plus a few more that I haven’t seen but would probably like due to their containing mythic truth i.e. Full Metal Alchemist), but yeah, when the more fanatical elements of its subculture descend from the interweb long enough to interact and conglomerate IRL, it’s pure cringe.

  6. Josh says:

    Are we supposed to feel a kinship with people from our own edenic race? As a TT, I find other thals’ neuroticism and narrow mindedness off-putting. I seem to get along best with big eye melons, at least in real life. We can shoot the shit about a variety of topics – weight lifting, politics, philosophy, etc. – and then amicably part ways.

    • Akuma says:

      “Are we supposed to feel a kinship with people from our own edenic race?”

      Yes. What you are seeing is the faulty programming of the THAL offputting. It’s not their fault they haven’t been red pilled like you. The melon was born knowing these things. The big eye melon has empathy more so than the other melon types, but they will squash you in a heart beat if given the chance.

      • Agreed. Thals are much more wholly coherent. Melons are nice when its convenient tho their interests. Melons will crush you like a grape for trying to do the right thing, whereas Thals it’s just not in their nature.

  7. I worship this God: http://redzambala.com/images/chenrezig/1000-arms-chenrezig-2.jpg

    I’m interested in all the assumptions you’re making about Denisovians. Where do they come from? How would you describe a Denisovian? Are there any living Tibetans who you would say exhibit Denisovian traits? It’s well known now that Tibetans have Denisovian genes. Also many of the lamas have enormous heads. I’ve seen Ringu Tulku in person he looks like an alien. Also the Karmapa has an enormous head and his features look very Edenic. Maybe the whole reincarnation thing is linked to ancient DNA?

    When I stayed at a Tibetan Buddhist monastery in the border region of Scotland stories of UFOs both there and in Tibet were normal.

    Also I was thinking today that ‘arms’ also translates into ‘Coat of Arms’ and ‘Arms’ as in armaments. Both are extensions of the magical power of a particular house, business or dynasty.

    The multi-armed trope probably extends into many commonly understood tropes of power, perception and influence and ‘arms’ and ‘hands’ are probably the only extent to which the proles are allowed to speak their name without incurring consequences.

  8. Lizard King says:

    “This sounds like the sort of author insert Lizard King would write.”

    I remember this guy being a sonofabitch in FF1&2 for GBA. Although, quite hilarious.

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