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Would you write a bit on lying and gender?
Of course, including within “lying” all ways to avoid truth.
After years of chats, comments sections brawls, and whatnot, I have to say it’s true that women lie — in all the ways we can see as lying — way more.
There is a connection with the master-slave picture, also.
Masters lie only insofar as justifying their mastership to their selves and others needs it.
Slaves… well, they become lies.
Let’s not make it simple. None of them thinks “Wow, I’m lying right now.”
I have no idea how, but they manage to never know they are lying, prevaricating, … no matter how shamelessly.
And when I look at the globe and (something I can state confidently, after years of online chatting and dating) see the country whose women are the most accepting of slavery (they are shipped abroad towards Middle Eastern states where they function as slaves in great numbers, in fact) is the country where they’ll basically lie about whatever topic, in whatever circumstance, with no limit or shame.
They are lies. I am talking of an East Asia country you should have no problems identifying.
I haven’t seen anything that “holds a candle” to their lying wherever else in the world, if not, actually, in some neighbouring country (where intelligence is low as well).
Less intelligent people appear to lie much more.
Other people, if an Aspie like me goes into a tantrum and starts re-asking the same question over and over — a question they don’t want not to lie about, will leave.
These ones… no! They’ll stay, their head well upright, and keep prevaricating… ad infinitum.
I mean, they look relaxed! You see there’s no stress going on in their nervous system.
And, oh! they may be the most catholic country in the world. They are very godly, very very godly!
Hypocriland, that is.
My little thoughts: lying is a way to cope with the challenges the world throws at you. Masters lie so much as it is needed to keep their marry-andrews and butt boys gleeful. It is limited.
Slaves feel the weaker party in every interaction, and have this (unconscious, of course) internalized urge to deceive and lie all the time?
It’s much more the women than the men, in fact.
This is the last damn time I chat with a ***** from that country, heck!
All humans lie about all the time — or I wouldn’t have been single 95% of the time, but these ones are two ranks above the rest.
It takes a lot of mental health — a lot more than I have — not to wish to pounce on them and turn the world into a less stressful place in a matter of few liberating seconds… sincerely speaking.
damn deceptomonkeyalgorithms
Slaves (women slaves, specially from that country) are also the most likely to end a conversation with a “thank you”, no matter how miserly farcical it comes off at the point where things are.
Again, algorithms.
(Masters say a lot of “thank you”s every day… but they won’t when it would look to grotesque and ungrounded. Slaves, this specific kind of slaves particularly, will still do it.)
Forgot this: I don’t need to tell that these beings have big, primary or at the least secondary, Fe functions. Do I?
Basically the Js are the Masks, the Ps are the souls.
Once you have a J as the fourth letter, you’ve gonna get a Facebook/Instagram/Higher Type of Deceptomaster sort of Fe or Te as primary or secondary function.
Blergh!
>Slaves (women slaves, specially from that country) are also the most likely to end a conversation with a “thank you”, no matter how miserly farcical it comes off at the point where things are.
I think this is called “holding one’s frame” in PUA lingo. Neurotypicals, especially the dumber ones have very little awareness in any department and act in a trial and error kind of way. They are like heavy narcissists that will shamelessly try anything to see if it floats. And it often will because to normies pointing out these things and thus openly shaming someone is strongly verboten, therefore creating the illusion that it works and reinforcing it. It’s just one big upside down theatre act or an elephant in the room.
>Let’s not make it simple. None of them thinks “Wow, I’m lying right now.”
I have no idea how, but they manage to never know they are lying, prevaricating, … no matter how shamelessly.
Can’t say much about lying in general, but in a social context they either lack awareness and are basically flesh automatons or they are aware of it but don’t see it as lying. The third option is a more developed version of the second one, where they awarely lie but see it as justified. I think that most neurotypical and female lying is a confused mix of two and three. It has an evolutionary social function of keeping up group cohesion. This is why neurotypicals, females and various brands of weak people avoid honesty and conflict to a pathological point. They view their lying as good for the group. Same holds true for social manipulation. Certain professions resembling modern witchcraft more or less revolve around this.
> Less intelligent people appear to lie much more.
There’s that eugenics and “we’re not carved from the same tree” thing. Lower intelligence also means less cortical and overall brain development and thus a bigger role and less inhibition of the mammalian monkey midbrain. It’s all just amygdala anxiety downregulation and dumb people really suck at handling it properly. But on the contrary a dishonest smart person is much better at lying. As an interesting fact pathological liars have increased white matter and reduced grey matter. Females have the same neuroanatomical profile. Amygdala anxiety -> need to downregulate -> fire up your global white matter network to quickly come up with a convenient lie or a narrative. Same for narcissists. I wonder if they kill themselves with premature Parkinson’s.
>It takes a lot of mental health — a lot more than I have — not to wish to pounce on them and turn the world into a less stressful place in a matter of few liberating seconds… sincerely speaking.
If this helps, I feel you. Put the neurotypicals to antipsychotic medication, neuro war now!
Aeoli, is this our writeprint triplet, you think?
>Would you write a bit on lying and gender?
Of course, including within “lying” all ways to avoid truth.
It will probably come up as a consequence of studying misrepresentation in a more general form, which I’m trying to do.
>Let’s not make it simple. None of them thinks “Wow, I’m lying right now.”
I have no idea how, but they manage to never know they are lying, prevaricating, … no matter how shamelessly.
Some people experience cognitive dissonance, some people appear not to (maybe that part of them is broken or didn’t develop), and a lot of people seem to positively enjoy it.
>They are lies. I am talking of an East Asia country you should have no problems identifying.
I’m not familiar enough with Asian culture.
>All humans lie about all the time — or I wouldn’t have been single 95% of the time, but these ones are two ranks above the rest.
I don’t want to ridicule your situation, but I hope you’re aware that’s not the only possible reason.
“Other people, if an Aspie like me goes into a tantrum and starts re-asking the same question over and over — a question they don’t want not to lie about, will leave.
These ones… no! They’ll stay, their head well upright, and keep prevaricating… ad infinitum.
I mean, they look relaxed! You see there’s no stress going on in their nervous system.”
These are the gammas, and if its a male doing it they need a punch to the face. They cause a lot of social discohesion. As an aspie you pick up on it because this type of person *is the problem*. A normie doesnt pickup on the behavior because they dont have the pattern recognition too.
>As an aspie you pick up on it because this type of person *is the problem*. A normie doesnt pickup on the behavior because they dont have the pattern recognition too.
I think the opposite is true. The difference between aspies and NTs that I believe you intend to communicate is that aspies assume good faith by default, and consider deception a form of grievous betrayal (which is true). NTs do not consider lying to be betrayal because there is no assumed group interest at stake. If a naive person believes a lie and it gets them killed, so what? They deserved it for being stupid. So the idea of group interest is completely abstract to them, with no real feeling involved, only rational self-interest. The only time they care about group cohesion is when they want to go to war, which is probably why this is the only time aspies prosper.
I think attitudes about lying aren’t caused by neurotypicality, they’re almost entirely cultural.
Can we put our giant edenobrains together to think of a way to test this?
There are many studies on the way attitudes toward lying vary between cultures.
Wait r u winning IRL?
Roughly speaking, yes.