On Vox Day’s foray against the Alt-White, part 1

Office hours are back on from 7 PM to 8 PM EST.

There’s a great deal of confusion about what Vox is doing, and why, and my hope is to clear some of that up. It’s unfortunately much more complex than mere loyalties or Manichean political axes.

The difference of opinion begins with the Charlottesville protest and—belying all the sound and fury—is ultimately still about the Charlottesville protest. The debate on socialism, the Fake Right memes, and the call to moderate/censure Gab are all epiphenomena which I will explain in due course. Every reasonable observer who self-identifies as Alt-Right can agree that there were both good points and bad points in the Cville action, both things that worked (e.g. torches) and things that didn’t work (e.g. Kessler). Because good information about what happened was initially scarce and the entire world was watching with intense fascination, it was a great opportunity for commentators to cash in on whatever narrative they preferred. Many were genuine, some were malicious, most were embarrassingly naive, and because tensions were so high they were all polarizing. And into this raging morass strolled Vox Day and his ragtag bunch of misfits, with unclear goals and good hearts.

But before moving forward, we need to backtrack even further because it’s necessary to understand the characters.

Prior to the Cville conflict, the Alt-White had mixed feelings on Vox, whom they considered the strongest faction leader within the Alt-Lite. (They don’t consider Alt-West a legitimate demographic, and they consider Alt-Lite to be moderates outside of their movement at best and controlled opposition at worst.) Many of the low-IQ faithful distrusted his political identity, most at least respected his abilities, and the thought leaders like Enoch, Anglin, and Spencer were content to leave him to his devices. Vox’s name was curiously absent from takedowns of Alt-Lite figureheads which regularly excoriated his allies Mike Cernovich and Milo Yiannopoulos, partially due to a focus on common enemies but mostly due to wariness of the Dread Ilk and Vile Faceless Minions.

For his part, Vox preferred the role of an outsider and is, in my humble opinion, quite genuinely disinterested in activism. His fundamental error in this saga arises from a failure of character rather than from disloyalty or insecurity, as his opponents now claim. You see, for all his brilliance, Christianity, and self-awareness Vox is a legit narcissist, and if you’ll please recall: Narcissism = Entitlement * Solipsism. Most of the time he’s able to channel his diseased emotionality into productive intellectual pursuits, but no one is perfect and the human heart is a tireless trickster. Vox’s entitlement and solipsism indicate a hardwired disregard for his responsibilities toward other people, particularly when those responsibilities are as difficult as a narcissistic introvert doing charity and leadership.

Time’s up for me and I haven’t even gotten to the story yet, so this will have to be a multi-day, multi-part thing.

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45 Responses to On Vox Day’s foray against the Alt-White, part 1

  1. Swog says:

    Vox Day is a gamma who will only assume a leadership role to sick his deluded followers on people who have harmed his glass ego.

  2. Swog says:

    We all knew he had snake melon in him.

  3. Akuma says:

    More like Alt-Vox and “muh extrajudicial legion” v.s. The Alt-White.

    • Akuma says:

      “Vox’s entitlement and solipsism indicate a hardwired disregard for his responsibilities toward other people, particularly when those responsibilities are as difficult as a narcissistic introvert doing charity and leadership.”

      Or he’s a sissy that is scared of leadership and instead chooses to wear Tutus. He’s still a sigma, but he’s letting petty nonsense get in the way of completing the Alt-Right mission. Saying he’s not leading the Alt-White is dangerous. Point 14 of the 16 Points Explicitly states:

      The Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children.

      I hope he sues Gab. Seeing him lit up in court would be great at his point. He needs to eat some crow.

      • Aeoli Pera says:

        >Or he’s a sissy that is scared of leadership and instead chooses to wear Tutus.

        Scared doesn’t come into it. He seems to have been surprised by the idea that having followers makes you a leader by definition. Hadn’t even entered his mind, IMO.

        >He’s still a sigma, but he’s letting petty nonsense get in the way of completing the Alt-Right mission.

        Agreed.

        >Saying he’s not leading the Alt-White is dangerous.

        He doesn’t lead the Alt-White. I suspect you made a typing mistake here.

        >Point 14 of the 16 Points Explicitly states:
        The Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children.

        I believe he thinks he’s doing the right thing, at least on the conscious level.

        >I hope he sues Gab. Seeing him lit up in court would be great at his point. He needs to eat some crow.

        He’ll win in court but lose in the court of public opinion, which would make in a Pyrrhic victory in 4GW terms.

  4. Lizard King says:

    I think the popularity in recent years is getting to his head. Maybe it’s just me but I remember a different Vox Day who seemed more reasonable.

    My explanation is a little more simplistic: He is addicted to winning. Who do you fight when you have no enemies? Well, anyone at all will do!

  5. glosoli says:

    I think Vox is either unwell, or experiencing some sort of personal crisis.

    He has only posted 3 times to the Alpha Game blogspot in the past month (one of those was a gamma attack on some gamer).

    He has shown his poor character in recent weeks. He has failed to retract statements about CV, even though we know the Nazi flag was likely to be the Feds. For me, that whole weekend was a great success, despite the mess on Saturday. Plenty of new red-pillers would have taken their first curious steps, and antifa were the villains, despite media’s attempt to paint it the other way.

    Vox has lied (despite him trying to claim otherwise) during the debate. He’s very slippery with his words.

    He posted this yesterday, which I simply don’t understand:

    ‘I think naked hypocrisy is fundamentally dishonest.

    Hypocrisy is almost inevitable for anyone with standards. The only way to reliably avoid being a hypocrite is to have no standards. That is not an improvement.’

    He’s a poor excuse for a man.
    I listened to some of the debate, and Vox came off worse, by a country mile.

    Finally, I am suspicious of a declared Christian who openly admits he doesn’t like being a Christian:

    I noticed that comment when I heard that broadcast a while back, it just doesn’t ring true. Christians tend to hate the world, but take strength in their faith, and are able to view this world as a gateway to something much better. How can a genuine Christian hate that?

    He is snakey-looking.

    And his minions make me laugh, because I’ve seen the same slavish following on a financial blog I followed years ago. There is literally nothing he can do wrong in their eyes, but they don’t recognise their own blindness.

    The lawsuit is pathetic. He told readers to respond to libel with libel. Yet he does the opposite. I really hope he loses. I suspect his dumb wife is in the background driving a lot of this, there’s no way he’s the boss in that household.

    Of all the attacks on alt-right sites I note that his are left alone. He’s buddies with Cernovitch, Milo, both are Jews, one is a fag. He’s fled the US for Rome. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if he’s controlled opposition, a honey-pot.

    • glosoli says:

      Vox now attempts to redine himself and his followers using a term I coined in various comments there and elsewhere:

      The True Right

      He is nothing like that.
      It will be interesting to see if he continues to co-opt that phrase, as he’s a weasel and a fraud, I think he may. And now he is reduced to defending his faggy friends. Pathetic.

      • glosoli says:

        Heh.

        He’s deleted my comment pointing out that True Right is a phrase he has stolen, and pointing out that he is fake right due to his friends and his dislike of his faith. What a man!

      • Aeoli Pera says:

        I coined the meme “your skin is your uniform” but I was content to see him spreading it. I recommend considering it an act of charity on your part, you’ve provided the white race with a good meme that will strengthen it.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      >I think Vox is either unwell, or experiencing some sort of personal crisis.

      Maybe. Those things strongly affect judgment.

      >He has only posted 3 times to the Alpha Game blogspot in the past month (one of those was a gamma attack on some gamer).

      That’s pretty normal for that blog.

      >He has shown his poor character in recent weeks. He has failed to retract statements about CV, even though we know the Nazi flag was likely to be the Feds. For me, that whole weekend was a great success, despite the mess on Saturday. Plenty of new red-pillers would have taken their first curious steps, and antifa were the villains, despite media’s attempt to paint it the other way.

      Agree all, although I don’t believe it’s reasonable to demand retractions from editorials.

      >Vox has lied (despite him trying to claim otherwise) during the debate. He’s very slippery with his words.

      Debating is traditionally an exercise in verbal gymnastics and exploiting technicalities, so that’s just a failure to adapt to an Alt-Right world.

      >He posted this yesterday, which I simply don’t understand:

      It’s not difficult. Higher ideals are harder to live up to.

      >Finally, I am suspicious of a declared Christian who openly admits he doesn’t like being a Christian:

      That’s an interesting revelation, but I think it’s realistic coming from a guy who used to be a hedonist. “If sin isn’t fun, you aren’t doing it right.”

      >I noticed that comment when I heard that broadcast a while back, it just doesn’t ring true. Christians tend to hate the world, but take strength in their faith, and are able to view this world as a gateway to something much better. How can a genuine Christian hate that?

      I doubt he hates that part. It’s the forbearance that grates. Think of how Christianity forces you to be nice to your parents. The goal is worth it but the journey isn’t always fun.

      >He is snakey-looking.

      Yup.

      >And his minions make me laugh, because I’ve seen the same slavish following on a financial blog I followed years ago. There is literally nothing he can do wrong in their eyes, but they don’t recognise their own blindness.

      Yup, probably 80% fall into that category. On the other hand, this groupthink makes the Ilk very effective in coordinated action.

      >The lawsuit is pathetic. He told readers to respond to libel with libel. Yet he does the opposite.

      I expect there is some real cognitive dissonance here.

      >I really hope he loses. I suspect his dumb wife is in the background driving a lot of this, there’s no way he’s the boss in that household.

      Dunno and no opinion here.

      >Of all the attacks on alt-right sites I note that his are left alone. He’s buddies with Cernovitch, Milo, both are Jews, one is a fag. He’s fled the US for Rome. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if he’s controlled opposition, a honey-pot.

      That’s laughably implausible. He’s just flawed and occasionally quite foolish. IQ amplifies everything.

      • SirHamster says:

        > Finally, I am suspicious of a declared Christian who openly admits he doesn’t like being a Christian:

        I appreciated what Vox shared there because it echoed my path, minus the hedonistic life experience. Submission to Christ was based on the inevitability of facts, not the personal relief promised. I recognized that the universe pointed to God, and this was the best fit explanation that demanded my compliance. I envied those who had the Born Again experience where they could see a high contrast self improvement from the moment of their salvation.

        The Christian path is to suffer as Christ did. It’s not necessarily fun (though it can be), and some have heavier crosses to bear than others. One doesn’t have to like it, but one does have to obey. The ones who do it enthusiastically can claim their better crown in heaven, while the reluctant ones can get their lower-tier rewards.

        • glosoli says:

          The path is narrow, so I could accept someone saying it’s difficult to stay on course, fallen sinners as we all are.

          But I can’t see how a true Christian (weak or strong) can say they dislike their faith, as a true Christian appreciates all of the benefits, both earthly and eternal.

          • SirHamster says:

            Dislike is a feeling, and is a response of the flesh being crucified. Feelings are not actions or belief.

            Even Jesus asked for his cup of suffering to be taken away. I dare say he disliked being on the cross rejected by all.

            The Christian must take up his cross daily. Don’t begrudge feelings, but encourage to faithful obedience.

            • glosoli says:

              He said he didn’t like being a Christian, ‘I don’t like’ is an active verb, meaning to consider unpleasant or disagreeable. It’s not a ‘feeling’, it’s an active thought, strong enough that he felt he needed to share it with his viewers.

              I find it mildly offensive that you use Jesus to defend Vox.

              Why would anyone (except his cronies) attempt to defend a narcissistic hypocritical mischief-making homo/jew-loving non-white businessman who regurgitates stuff he reads with an extra 0.0005% of original thought?

            • SirHamster says:

              Like is a feeling. Dislike is a feeling. I might dislike picking up dog poop, but I have a duty to when walking the dog.

              The Christian duty is to love and obey. Not necessarily to like it, though likes can be changed. Sometimes. Liquid dog poop is nasty.

              I am not using Jesus to defend Vox. I am using Jesus to set your reference point, because you are a newborn Christian from what I understand.

              You don’t have to like Vox. But you should be careful how you criticize him from a Christian point of view. Relating to your guilt by association – Jesus dined with tax collectors and prostitutes.

              Again, that in itself does not make Milo or associating with Milo good, but it affects how you judge it. We will be judged by the standard we use. So judge correctly, and avoid judging where God does not.

  6. Akuma says:

    Someone should challenge Vox to a legal boxing match fir charity. Hed probably sue them for threatening him. The man’s probably never been in a street fight either.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      I trained with his old martial arts group for a couple of months. They’re not playing around.

      • Akuma says:

        Actually they are playing. You can’t go around threatening the population with an extra judicial legion. He’s opening himself up to prosecution using RICO laws. He’s not Blackwater or any other privateer company. He’s a private citizen saying he has a legion of minions ready to defend him. Which I highly doubt as someone whose been in a 30 (Them) to 1 (Me) Altercation before IRL.

        • Aeoli Pera says:

          >Actually they are playing.

          You don’t even know the name of his sensei,

          >He’s opening himself up to prosecution using RICO laws.

          You aren’t a lawyer, stop being retarded.

          >He’s not Blackwater or any other privateer company.

          Irrelevant.

          >He’s a private citizen saying he has a legion of minions ready to defend him.

          On Twitter.

          >Which I highly doubt as someone whose been in a 30 (Them) to 1 (Me) Altercation before IRL.

          That doesn’t make sense.

          • Akuma says:

            He used cyber bulling laws to shut down that one troll, on his blog. So no RICO laws still stand.

            And yes 30 to 1 stands. Vox goes around posturing around wanting a fight with the marine corps. As someone whose actually fought a Marine, please be quiet.

  7. bicebicebice says:

    Isn’t this where you just tick your Edenistic character boxes and simply move on? Nobody would spend time on “why isn’t that ISFJ acting like an INFP, better bash him for it”. Nam sayin?

    Stay tuned for Moot Day part 2

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      Clarity in hindsight is an important part of moving on for people like us.

      • bicebicebice says:

        Remember when you were in math class as a kid and gave the right answer to almost every test question but you didn’t pass the test because not once did you provide the calculation for said answer cuz why bother when you were always the first for recess?

        The Britishness really rubbed off on you, maybe we can all be adults one day, foresight instead of hindsight is the way of the adultoid. Some might even say itz the way forward.

        • Pseudorandom Bypasser says:

          Unrelated, but my deep thal math genius classmate had a kind of ‘in-joke’ when he always made some minor error on his tests and thus never got an A but an A- instead. Sometimes when the scoring threshold was greater he got an A but still not a full score. Those were the rare instances when he seemed at all interested and invested.

        • glosoli says:

          Any time you want to visit Bice, you let me know.

  8. kensuimo says:

    12:48 avgocc

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  10. Eikos says:

    Anglin sucks in debates (even seems dudebro dumb) but in his written debates he comes across as quite intelligent and shrewd (he even beat G. Johnson once, which is no mean feat). It’s pretty strange. Z-Man and Hunter Wallace both wrote articles that adequately point out Vox’s error vis a vis the dispute IMO. The main impression I got from the debate was how much more likeable Anglin was compared to Day. Anglin was the cool, chad, dad, guy who couldn’t understand why this annoying – previously part of the team – little nerd was poking at him and he even tried to squash the whole thing towards the end but Vox just wouldn’t have it. He “doubled down.” Perhaps, unlike natural ‘alpha’ status, this ‘sigma’ thing is hard to hold onto once you have it – you can lapse back into the despicable thing you used to be before, given enough stress,There’s probably a good reason why he hates Scalzi so much.

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