On Vox Day’s foray against the Alt-White, part 2

In part 1 I introduced the characters and set the stage. Next up is the conflict.

Charlottesville was an emotional, polarizing event. At this critical moment, Vox sperged out and sniped at the tactics and strategy of the event’s organizers and the movement’s leaders. It was a massive failure of judgment from a self-identifying superintelligence. This misstep can be blamed on his irresponsibility, as explained previously, but on the moral level of war it felt like betrayal because of the bad timing and insensitivity. Were his criticisms correct? In the main, yes. But it flew straight in the face of military leadership 101: praise in public, criticize in private. Everybody knows that, and a 151-IQ student of war who edits groundbreaking books illustrating 4GW principles of frame control ought to know this better than anyone on earth.

When confronted with this, Vox did the easy thing and lied that he isn’t a leader. The truth is that he doesn’t want to be a leader*. But a man with hundreds of vile faceless minions and Rabid Puppies, a disciplined contingent of high-functioning Dread Ilk, dozens of employees on several projects, a pro bono legal team, tens of thousands of unusually engaged followers, and millions of monthly pageviews is a leader by definition, whether he likes it or not. And leaders have a sacred responsibility to their followers and a pragmatic responsibility to allied leaders. Vox decided he didn’t want that responsibility because, as a writer and talented dilettante, it’s just a lot more fun (and lazy) to write whatever you feel like off the top of your head. This is the real betrayal—to enjoy the prestige of influence without accepting his Christian duty to noblesse oblige.

An early instance of this concept in literature may be found in Homer’s Iliad. In Book XII, the Trojan prince Sarpedon delivers a famous speech in which he urges his comrade Glaucus to fight with him in the front ranks of battle. In Pope’s translation, Sarpedon exhorts Glaucus thus:

  ‘Tis ours, the dignity they give to grace
  The first in valour, as the first in place;
  That when with wondering eyes our confidential bands
  Behold our deeds transcending our commands,
  Such, they may cry, deserve the sovereign state,
  Whom those that envy dare not imitate!

Infogalactic

In response to criticisms and trolling (primarily from disingenuous idiots, which unfortunately made the honest sentiment easy to dismiss) Vox went off the rails preaching lolbertarian economics, Fake Right memes, Boomerposting, and the primacy of truth and superintelligent IQ scores. He’s been reacting for a month now, and reacting poorly. Almost everything he’s written on these subjects in four weeks has been laughably misguided.

Worse, Vox (and many others) has demonstrated his inability to understand the Alt-Right phenomenon, which invalidates his claim to pure intellectual disinterest. The Alt-White has always been primarily populated by low-IQ, feral teens and losers. If that’s a genuine surprise for you, then get out of the political commentary game, it’s not your talent. And telling a bunch of feral children to man up and marry those sluts is just sad. Could the Alt-White have reacted better? Absolutely. But nobody who understood them expected better, and really the only thing holding back their depravity was low average agency. (That doesn’t go for all of them—you know who you are and you need to cut it out, you know your best outcome at this point is to disengage and meme about socialism as co-ethnic altruism. That one’s free.)

I have given up on advising Vox in this matter. If he wants to know how to turn this debacle to good, he can swallow his pride and ask.

*Yes, I understand that I’m the leader of GamerGate (and so are you) but that’s a meme representing an abstract mathematical idea, not a literal truth. In reality, there are people with outsized influence enabling coordinated action among their followers, i.e. leaders.

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71 Responses to On Vox Day’s foray against the Alt-White, part 2

  1. Heaviside says:

    Moral criticisms of socialism boil down to admonishing sheep for taking up the tools of the butcher.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      You have a very clear picture of the systems involved (socialism ultimately being an abstract WMD) but I don’t think you have a care-harm moral axis so you’re diminishing the emotional element.

      • Eikos says:

        I dunno how you based christians are going to deal with the necessity of exterminating a billion africans in the not so distant future.Thankfully the act of doing so will won’t be left to you.

        • Aeoli Pera says:

          If something like this occurs, I suspect it will be a “stand your ground” type of thing where white people say “no black people cross this line” and then shoot the millions who ignore the warnings until rumors spread. Like the Hungarian border, basically.

  2. Boneflour says:

    Cool post bro. Definitely a filter I haven’t encountered yet about this whole thing.

    Do you have any predictions about how this is going to shake out? Will Vox lose/gain influence/followers? Are his future projects going to flop due to betrayal? Will everyone forget about this in two weeks? Is this the worst thing ever or just a dick move? etc.

    I’ve encountered three main perspectives so far:

    -Vox is a Gamma Male Fake Christian Loser Cult Leader who is going to be eaten by troll backlash

    -Vox is playing 16d Guitar Hero and all who oppose him will bend the knee

    -Vox is on a narcissistic bender and is too busy rationalizing his poor judgement calls to take his leadership role seriously

    These are all slightly to moderately exaggerated of course. Trying to see what filter has the most predictive power, which means I gotta get me some predictions.

    TELL US THE FUTURE, OH GREAT WIND OF WISDOM

    • Heaviside says:

      Words like “gamma male” and “loser” are pretty useless for understanding people.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      >Cool post bro. Definitely a filter I haven’t encountered yet about this whole thing.

      Unfortunate that my sperg-outs hadn’t already spread it somewhat, but thank you.

      >Will Vox lose/gain influence/followers?

      Yes.

      >Are his future projects going to flop due to betrayal?

      No, but he will be unable to launch as many because potential partners will view him as volatile.

      >Will everyone forget about this in two weeks?

      No.

      >Is this the worst thing ever or just a dick move? etc.

      Uncertain. At first it appeared to be the worst thing ever but he’s showing signs of learning, and there will be some good outcomes (e.g. everybody now basically agrees swastikas in public is bad attention).

      >I’ve encountered three main perspectives so far:
      >-Vox is a Gamma Male Fake Christian Loser Cult Leader who is going to be eaten by troll backlash

      >-Vox is playing 16d Guitar Hero and all who oppose him will bend the knee

      He’s always playing hyperspace chess because high IQ and high trait machiavellianism, but it’s unlikely he’ll win the war because that would require him to humiliate Mike Enoch in 1-on-1 debate and become the de facto leader of the big-tent Alt-Right.

      >-Vox is on a narcissistic bender and is too busy rationalizing his poor judgement calls to take his leadership role seriously

      Whoever came up with that one is a genius, you should study all His Words closely.

      >TELL US THE FUTURE, OH GREAT WIND OF WISDOM

      I don’t know yet, it depends in large part on the success or failure of my empathic charityposting within the Alt-West. I’m seeing some success but the most likely outcome is that everything except the resentment is forgotten a year from now.

  3. Mycroft Jones says:

    I think Vox will be fine. He is replacing that part of his base that is problematic… as Trump is doing.

    Reminds me of a story about an African business woman. She had a stall in the market, she sold lots of things, including cigarettes. Cigarettes were a big seller for her. One day she came to Jesus, one of those denominations that believes smoking is a sin. So, after prayer and soul searching, she stopped selling tobacco. After a while, she noticed she was selling more, and doing better. She’d gotten a better quality of customer.

    Tim Ferris, 4 hour work week, also talks about firing customers. Fire the bottom 10%, and regain 80% of your mental energy.

    I know a man who became convicted about keeping the Sabbath. He had a shop. Sabbath was his best business day. He shut it down on Sabbath. Opened it up the other days of the week. Turns out, he did slightly better than he was before. Different clientele. Better clients.

    Vox has been clear since the beginning that he is opposed to Nazis. He doesn’t enjoy their lulz. Vox has been clear for years that he isn’t Alt-White; he is mestizo. I love him, but it is insane to view him as an Alt-White leader. Omni-nationalism is as far as he will go, and honestly, for those in the Alt-White who believe in the Bible, Omni-nationalism is all they should be going for too; the Bible supports omni-nationalism. I guess I have to write a book on the Holy World Order soon, the concepts are out there, but the few who have synthesized them properly have often larded unfortunate verbiage in with them. If Kensuimo and Boneflour are reading this, the book would essentially be the written form of that 45 minute sermon I gave you.

    We need a better term than omni-nationalism, but it will do for now. Better, I think, is the Holy World Order in contradistinction to the New World Order, aka Globalism.

    • Mycroft Jones says:

      Also, if either of you recorded that call, can you send me a copy. I want to run it through a transcription service, that was my first time really bringing all the threads together into a good format. You guys asked the right questions. Seeing your facial responses told me which parts to expand on.

    • glosoli says:

      I think it needs to be specifically the True Christian World Order, as otherwise all sorts of other religions and evil people will latch on to it.

      I’m about to start putting together material for a real-life *sermon*, and probably something online too, which will take the troubles of today and show people how the bible provides the solution.

      Re Vox, I don’t think the Alt-white were ever his customers in the first place?

      • Aeoli Pera says:

        >I think it needs to be specifically the True Christian World Order, as otherwise all sorts of other religions and evil people will latch on to it.

        This will not happen until Jesus returns, according to the book of Revelation.

        >I’m about to start putting together material for a real-life *sermon*, and probably something online too, which will take the troubles of today and show people how the bible provides the solution.

        >Re Vox, I don’t think the Alt-white were ever his customers in the first place?

        Correct.

      • Aeoli Pera says:

        >I’m about to start putting together material for a real-life *sermon*, and probably something online too, which will take the troubles of today and show people how the bible provides the solution.

        You’re too new to the faith to be teaching. I understand your enthusiasm but think about how much more you understand than three months ago, and extrapolate.

        • glosoli says:

          I plan to take advice on my material from some experienced Christian brothers I know.
          it’s more red-pilling and using the bible to highlight where we have gone wrong, and more importantly, to hopefully inject some ideas as to how we can re-build after we win. No point winning if we end up with the same crooks pulling the strings.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      >I think Vox will be fine. He is replacing that part of his base that is problematic… as Trump is doing.

      He’s losing almost the entirety of millenials and Gen-Z, who could also be described as “that part of his base that is problematic”. I warned him about this.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      >Vox has been clear since the beginning that he is opposed to Nazis. He doesn’t enjoy their lulz. Vox has been clear for years that he isn’t Alt-White; he is mestizo. I love him, but it is insane to view him as an Alt-White leader.

      He’s an Alt-West leader. I thought this was obvious but if it isn’t I’ll amend the post.

      >Omni-nationalism is as far as he will go, and honestly, for those in the Alt-White who believe in the Bible, Omni-nationalism is all they should be going for too; the Bible supports omni-nationalism.

      Category error. Christians within the Alt-White are living a contradiction that will force them to choose between the primacy of race and religion.

      >I guess I have to write a book on the Holy World Order soon, the concepts are out there, but the few who have synthesized them properly have often larded unfortunate verbiage in with them. If Kensuimo and Boneflour are reading this, the book would essentially be the written form of that 45 minute sermon I gave you.
      >We need a better term than omni-nationalism, but it will do for now. Better, I think, is the Holy World Order in contradistinction to the New World Order, aka Globalism.

      If you’re serious, I recommend doing this as a blog first and then compiling the thoughts into a book. TMs aren’t very organized as a rule.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      >As for Vox, what comes next is slow burn followed by the real shitfest. Bring the popcorn when it really goes off though, assuming it goes to trial. And none of this is good for him, if only because it wastes a massive amount of time and focus (I think it will be much worse than that. Gut feeling.)

      Court cases are pretty drawn-out, emotionless affairs. I expect the slow burn but nothing dramatic.

  4. Akuma says:

    “But a man with hundreds of vile faceless minions and Rabid Puppies, a disciplined contingent of high-functioning Dread Ilk, dozens of employees on several projects, a pro bono legal team, tens of thousands of unusually engaged followers, and millions of monthly pageviews is a leader by definition, whether he likes it or not.”

    RICO Laws. He’s also stated he wants a fight with the U.S. Marine Corps. Sorry, but Vox is screwed.

    Also, I was thinking of challenging him to a legal boxing match on an island that is a Native American burial ground. To double down on my put up or shut up comment here.

    He better start putting his money where his mouth is and stop defending Pedophiles and men that advocate mental disorders (i.e. Milo and Ivan Throne)

  5. Lizard King says:

    “Vox did the easy thing and lied that he isn’t a leader. The truth is that he doesn’t want to be a leader”

    I always hate that feeling. It took me far too long to understand that it doesn’t matter if I consider myself a leader or not if other people are looking to me for leadership.

    Errybody wantz to be kang ’till it time to do kang sheeit.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      Yet another great reason to be a hermit! Is there anything it doesn’t cure?

    • Akuma says:

      Nah tell em to fuck off. They have to wipe their own asses. People that look to others as leaders usually are too lazy to do the work themselves. If they did the work themselves theyd eclipse the “leader” pretty quick.

      • Lizard King says:

        So…just…leave the world in a good leadership vacuum and let everything go to ruin? Evil people tend to fill leadership roles rather quickly because common folk are easily misled.

        There’s still some good in this world worth fighting for. I’m not going to abandon people just because they are incapable of leading. That’s just silly. :D

        • Aeoli Pera says:

          >So…just…leave the world in a good leadership vacuum and let everything go to ruin?

          That’s the libertarian response. Blame biology, thals default to this sort of thinking.

          >Evil people tend to fill leadership roles rather quickly because common folk are easily misled.

          That and they are led by fear, which evil people produce with much less effort.

          >There’s still some good in this world worth fighting for. I’m not going to abandon people just because they are incapable of leading. That’s just silly. 😀

          Indeed.

      • Aeoli Pera says:

        >Nah tell em to fuck off. They have to wipe their own asses. People that look to others as leaders usually are too lazy to do the work themselves. If they did the work themselves theyd eclipse the “leader” pretty quick.

        Okay, so you’ve got a policy that works for 0.1% of the population. And then you get eaten by a cro mag GRU.

  6. SirHamster says:

    When confronted with this, Vox did the easy thing and lied that he isn’t a leader.

    He isn’t their leader, and he has led those who follow him to stay out of demonstrations. Protests change little.

    Those who don’t want to follow Vox’s lead can hardly complain that he isn’t leading them.

    While I enjoy following Vox, I think he is not the sort of demagogue those types are looking for, either. Not to mention that he isn’t even physically in America.

    • glosoli says:

      Are you for real?

      Supreme Dark Lord and his Legion of whatever.

      He barks and they answer the call, whether it be a coordinated online doxxing, or volunteering for tech stuff.

      Honestly, if you want to destroy your credibility here, keep writing dumb shit like that (you’ll do it I’m sure, as you’re a fan of his).

      ‘Protests change little’.

      Heh, America is a different place since Charlottesville, and you’re too far up Vox’s ass to see it. Despite the set-up, whites have begun the rising, and the left know it. I’m proud of our guys that went along, and you (like Vox) are happy to piss all over them from the safety of your PC. Go back to Vox’s site please.

  7. Dox Day says:

    What if Vox was the one (through 3rd party or not) who complained to the registrar about Anglin to begin with?

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      Then he’s extremely disingenuous. But that doesn’t fit any of his patterns. Also, if I perceive you came here solely to push disingenuous narratives, you will find yourself quite unwelcome.

  8. Pseudorandom Bypasser says:

    Don’t forget associative horizon/psychoticism. Or was it already included in paranoia?

    • Aspergian Lesswrongian says:

      This might be included in the already mentioned ones or a combination of them, but an advisor focused on metacognition, fallacies, biases, heuristics, perception and decision-making mental algorithms. Not necessarily in a heavily abstract and autistically nitpicking way but so that fixing them would carry practical fruits. Someone like commenter Edenist Whackjob could likely give you a lecture or two.

      By the way, tangent: are there yet any courses that would teach normies fundamental thinking skills similarly to how PUA bootcamps and other products teach nerds and spergs socializing and dating?

      • Aeoli Pera says:

        >This might be included in the already mentioned ones or a combination of them, but an advisor focused on metacognition, fallacies, biases, heuristics, perception and decision-making mental algorithms. Not necessarily in a heavily abstract and autistically nitpicking way but so that fixing them would carry practical fruits. Someone like commenter Edenist Whackjob could likely give you a lecture or two.

        Agreed. To summarize, a systems thinker who git ‘er done.

        >By the way, tangent: are there yet any courses that would teach normies fundamental thinking skills similarly to how PUA bootcamps and other products teach nerds and spergs socializing and dating?

        They would have to want that in the first place, but it’s possible. ESR is a good example of a non-aspie who’s acquired a very autistic mental skillset. See here: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=7060. No, I don’t think there are any classes that teach you to obsessively seek out concept porn on the internet.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      >Don’t forget associative horizon/psychoticism. Or was it already included in paranoia?

      No, paranoia requires anxiety which is not necessary for AH.

  9. Aeoli Pera says:

    Exactly. The very worst thing would be to do the Alt-White a small injury.

  10. Heaviside says:

    if u need any of those hmu bby

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      You two might get along better than I do with Heaviside. The trouble is he’s extremely smart and a political savant but at the same time you can’t trust his intentions or judgment.

  11. Heaviside says:

    “I have to explain one thing here, the gentlemen are completely right, we are intolerant, I have set myself a goal, namely to sweep those 30 parties out of Germany. They always mistake me for a bourgeois or Marxist politician, who today SPD, tomorrow USPD (Independent Social Democratic Party), and the day after tomorrow KPD, and then Syndicalist, or today Democrat and tomorrow German Nationalist Party, then […. (sound recording has gaps and is unintelligible)] again Economic Party, they mistake us for themselves. We have chosen a goal for ourselves and will follow it fanatically, ruthlessly to the grave.

    I got to know this bourgeois mentality’s way of assessing our movement very well a few moths ago when a Reich Minister [Wilhelm Groener] said: “I will disband these people here, I will remove their uniforms, and then I will make a neutral, pacifist-democratic gymnastics and sport club, there they will come in, and then I will have them, and the National Socialist movement will be over. A simple formula. That’s how they think and haven’t realized that our movement is something completely different from a usual political parliamentary party.” — A.H.

    First time as tragedy, second time as farce. The defenders of the bourgeoisie are as stupid as they were almost a century ago. They should be glad that today’s national socialists are literally farcical.

    • Rainbow Confederate says:

      Well is it possible for an American Nazi who’s not a German diasporan to be anything but farcical? What do we care about the slavs or Hapsburgs or the regaining of the Osterreich? That stuff mattered about as much to Hitler as JQ or the disease of Bolshevism.

      • Heaviside says:

        What I meant by “literally farcical” is that Anglin is a humorist. It was not meant to be a judgement.

        I don’t think there is such a thing as an American “nazi”. When people say that there are “nazis” and klansmen walking the streets in 2017, they’re hallucinating. It’s the result of a kind of collective thought-disorder Americans have which prevents them from coming to grips with history and moving on. They just want to endlessly ruminate on the same shit over and over again.

        Hitler didn’t copy the platform, iconography, or name of a pre-1848 French political party. What Hitler and the NSDAP accomplished can inspire us but it shouldn’t define us.

  12. Rainbow Confederate says:

    >>Boomerposting

    Xposting, I think. I’m sure it’s going to come as a surprise for X’ers to learn that we and the Zyklons hate them about as much as they hate boomers.

    He did the same thing after Richard Spencer’s “Hail Trump! Hail Victory!” shenanigans. I think he even went as PRAISING Shia Lebouf for yelling at trolls during the HWNDU thing. How did that end? Pretty well for us, I think.

    Vox has a weird relationship with the alt-white. One minute he would say that white nationalism and white ethnostates are inevitable whether you like it or not, the next minute that he’s saying it’s controlled opposition/fake right and it’s going to fail because it doesn’t love Jesus and Ludwig von Mises enough.

    (Speaking of which, is he serious about the Christianity? Should someone warn him that Saint Paul seems to have viewed lawfare about as dimly as he viewed buttsex?)

    • glosoli says:

      He admits to being a hypocrite, a poor Christian, who does not actually like being a Christian.

      That said, are the guys he’s taking to court Christians? He is probably OK suing non-brothers from a Pauline standpoint.

      • Rainbow Confederate says:

        Hard to tell when it’s a bunch of anonymous trolls on social media, but I’m sure at least a few of them are. Eastern Orthodox if genuine alt-right, Mormon if federal agents…

        …wait…

        …oh.

        • Rainbow Confederate says:

          I don’t normally play the “everyone’s a Fed/liberal plant” game because I don’t think it really matters (something like 75% of all Bolsheviks in 1917 were Okhrana agents) but if he has a good hunch that at least some of his enemies are indeed plants, taking them to court would be a good way to prove it…

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      >Xposting, I think. I’m sure it’s going to come as a surprise for X’ers to learn that we and the Zyklons hate them about as much as they hate boomers.

      They’re finally getting on board with identity politics and yet they can’t make the jump to nepotism, despite that the former is merely the latter writ large.

      >Vox has a weird relationship with the alt-white. One minute he would say that white nationalism and white ethnostates are inevitable whether you like it or not, the next minute that he’s saying it’s controlled opposition/fake right and it’s going to fail because it doesn’t love Jesus and Ludwig von Mises enough.

      He’s usually much better than this. The former is correct, white nationalism is inevitable. White ethnostates are not inevitable, because historical patterns allow for extinction, enslavement, and diaspora.

      >Speaking of which, is he serious about the Christianity?

      Yup.

      >Should someone warn him that Saint Paul seems to have viewed lawfare about as dimly as he viewed buttsex?

      I don’t know about this but if you can make a convincing case, go for it. His ego won’t allow for submission but his brain might give him a harmless workaround that comes to the same thing.

  13. Heaviside says:

    I got around to actually listening to the debate and Vox was terrible. Based on the comments on his website I thought he would actually have some half-decent arguments. Boy was that a mistake. Now when I watch him on video I can’t help but imagine him slowly morphing into Jason Blaha.

    • Rainbow Confederate says:

      Nah, Vox did alright and is undoubtedly smarter than Anglin, but he’s not, I dunno, properly equipped to understand what’s going on right now (not implying that Anglin is, and sure as Hell not implying that I am).

      It’s kind of like the difference between the crappy Chinese tablet that I was given for helping a relative move and the desktop which was almost high-end when I bought it over 15 years ago. Both have their problems, but both are still useful to me.

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  15. Aeoli Pera says:

    >Overcome this by having independent-minded advisors of varying degrees of nervousness/paranoia/intellect.

    “Without counsel plans fail, but with many advisers they succeed”

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