On Vox Day’s foray against the Alt-White, part 3

I was hoping this would be the finale, but it looks like the last bullet point is too complex for my writing skills to consolidate. So there will be a part 4, regarding Gab, charity, and Boomerposting, which will be significantly more charitable to Vox than parts 2 and 3 have been.

Part 1
Part 2

There’s a reason the upper echelons of human society are filled with narcissists. I call it the narcissistic boom-bust cycle…but Koanic informs me it’s not a unique insight so it probably has other names. The boom portion begins with a slight against the narcissist, who responds with escalation. Because narcissists suffer much more strongly from the humiliation of losing, they are willing to escalate social competitions to unreasonable levels that cause normal people to back down. So holding all else equal, narcissists tend to be WINNERS and WINNERS tend to be narcissists. The bust portion of the cycle occurs when the narcissist finally writes a check his abilities and resources can’t cash.

Vox Day’s actions in the last month are best described as reckless irresponsibility followed by emotionally incontinent Alt-White reactions and a series of relentlessly unreasonable mutual escalations between these two parties. The narcissistic boom-bust cycle ultimately applies to leaders in both the Alt-White and the Alt-West but my thesis in this series of posts is focused on explaining Vox Day’s behavior. I will now flesh out the individual events with a bit more detail.

The first major disagreement was over the public use of swastikas and other Nazi imagery. Anybody that knows anything about the Charlottesville event knows were only one or two swastikas present, and the guys carrying them were likely infiltrators. The problem is that Alt-White thought leaders are (were) unable to prevent such displays because doing so is antithetical to an occult metaphysical principle at the foundation of their religion, the law of attraction. More simply, “the memes must flow” and it is literal heresy to oppose Nazi memes. It would be like a Christian leader exhorting students to give up praying in public schools because fighting a losing battle reflects poorly on us. One good thing that came out of this battle is that the Alt-White appears to have absorbed the idea that swastikas are bad mass marketing for the time being, a development for which I deserve some small credit.

Vox reacted to this by attempting to read the Alt-White out of the Alt-Right. This is patently ridiculous and everybody knows it—Pepe was an played-out meme before Vox or any other Alt-West figurehead had ever heard of it, and everybody else on earth means “Nazi shitposters” when they say “Alt-Right”. Vox lacks the necessary influence and propaganda tools to redefine this, and the attempt to do so undermines his future political taxonomy efforts. He then escalated further, becoming determined to define the Alt-White as Fake Right. There is some truth in this, but it’s an effort doomed to failure because it takes the weakest position on the persuasion stack. When confronted with this, Vox claimed that WINNING depends on truthfulness and dialectic. It was so autistic* that I wondered if he’d quit espresso cold turkey.

This naturally sparked a debate on the definition of what “right” is, which is the point where everyone with a lick of sense mentally checked out. The debate over economic policy is futile because national socialism, itself, was never the point of the Nazi meme. The typical economic theory of an Alt-Whitist goes like this.

1. The modern world says I need to die.
2. The modern world is wrong.
3. The Jews are the modern world.
4. The Jews are wrong.
5. Hitler opposed the Jews.
6. Hitler was right.
7. Hitler believed in socialism.
8. Socialism is right.

The debates with Johnson and Anglin were a good idea because even primitivist pagans recognize strength demonstrated in 1-on-1 combat, but we shouldn’t pretend anyone was going to be convinced one way or another.

*Consider it an exercise for the reader to determine the relationship between truth and winning. Remind me in the future and I’ll post the answer. Hint: Consider Stalin, who died in bed of natural causes but later burned in Hell.

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27 Responses to On Vox Day’s foray against the Alt-White, part 3

  1. Heaviside says:

    >The problem is that Alt-White thought leaders are (were) unable to prevent such displays because doing so is antithetical to an occult metaphysical principle at the foundation of their religion, the law of attraction. More simply, “the memes must flow” and it is literal heresy to oppose Nazi memes. It would be like a Christian leader exhorting students to give up praying in public schools because fighting a losing battle reflects poorly on us.

    This is wrong. /pol/ adopted the concept of “meme magic” from /x/, who got it from chaos magic. There is nothing particularly “nazi” about chaos magic at all.

    • Akuma says:

      Vox just threw all of us under the bus, for the thing he told us to do. Thats what this boils down too, and hes trying to redifine it as winning (i.e. Gamma).

      • Aeoli Pera says:

        >Vox just threw all of us under the bus, for the thing he told us to do.

        He hasn’t ever thrown me under the bus, and there have been plenty of times he could have.

        >Thats what this boils down too, and hes trying to redifine it as winning (i.e. Gamma).

        Eh, sort of.

        • Akuma says:

          He threw us under the bus. Gab specifically. He doesnt care a lick about winning this fight. All he cares about his defending Milo a possible Pedo. Seriously Aeoli I dont know how you can defend him. If he gets Gab shut down we might not win. Vox is white. He just refuses to Acknowldge it so he can avoid all the backlash hed get if he really set his mind to winning. Hes nearing 50, living off a trust fund, and spends all day online like a little boy. If your reading this Vox go ahead and so me you pussy.

    • Mycroft Jones says:

      Read “Imperium”, by Yockey. Irrationality is at the core of Nazi ideology, and irrationality is close enough to “chaos magic” for me. Yockey did a good job of defending irrationality in a coherent, reasonable manner. To my amusement.

      • Heaviside says:

        >and irrationality is close enough to “chaos magic” for me.

        Not for me.

      • Aeoli Pera says:

        >Read “Imperium”, by Yockey. Irrationality is at the core of Nazi ideology, and irrationality is close enough to “chaos magic” for me. Yockey did a good job of defending irrationality in a coherent, reasonable manner. To my amusement.

        Sounds like good citation fodder but I doubt there’s much insight to be found in there.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      >This is wrong. /pol/ adopted the concept of “meme magic” from /x/, who got it from chaos magic. There is nothing particularly “nazi” about chaos magic at all.

      To be more precise, the Nazis and /pol/ were both drawing from occult philosophy but the idea is spread very generally. I consider the law of attraction to be interchangeable with the “American dream” founding myth.

  2. Rainbow Confederate says:

    “This naturally sparked a debate on the definition of what “right” is, which is the point where everyone with a lick of sense mentally checked out. The debate over economic policy is futile because national socialism, itself, was never the point of the Nazi meme.”

    The alt-white seems to take an organic view of economics: give a bunch of white people their own ethnostate and whatever they come up with is going to be more livable than what exists in a multicultural society. Even a Stalinist European state (Belarus) is probably going to be preferable to a libertarian one in Africa (Somalia).

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      Yup, I also agree that this is their view. They happen to be incorrect, but the only way to argue with them is within the Alt-White morality where sin = association with Jews. So, you have to point out that Marx was a Jew, the communists were Jews, etc., and then claim that Nazis had good hearts but were fooled into socialism by Jewish mindwaves.

  3. Aeoli Pera says:

    I figured that was you over there. Vox liked that one.

    • glosoli says:

      Looks like Vox has been less than truthful.

      https://gab.ai/glosoli/posts/12199987

      • glosoli says:

        My comment was deleted at Vox’s.
        Any truth-telling brothers want to hammer Vox with this on that thread?
        The guy is a total (you choose your expletive).
        I would not trust him as far as I could throw him.

        • glosoli says:

          Vox is now contradicting himself and becoming incoherent.
          Check my Gab feed.
          Poor guy, he’s losing credibility at great speed.

        • glosoli says:

          Gab v Vox is turning into a war today, thanks to Vox’s gamma-esque post on the Gab v gulag suit, some hasty comments, and edits. Dug himself a big hole.

          Torba hits back, and some guy is threatening to sue spacebunny for defamation, and report Vox for ‘hate speech’ in Italy:

          https://gab.ai/a/posts/12221019

          I do think Vox is asking for trouble, and has doubled down, and will suffer from the backlash. SJWs though, they’re so predictable.

          • Aeoli Pera says:

            >Gab v Vox is turning into a war today, thanks to Vox’s gamma-esque post on the Gab v gulag suit, some hasty comments, and edits. Dug himself a big hole.

            Yup.

            >Torba hits back, and some guy is threatening to sue spacebunny for defamation, and report Vox for ‘hate speech’ in Italy:
            https://gab.ai/a/posts/12221019

            Vox is undoubtedly on good terms with local authorities, I doubt this will come to anything.

            >I do think Vox is asking for trouble, and has doubled down, and will suffer from the backlash. SJWs though, they’re so predictable.

            Yup.

        • Aeoli Pera says:

          >Dont know too much about Microchip but attacking a highish level guy with a bot army is never a good idea.

          Yeah, this effort will fail but they still have the moral high ground so it won’t cost them in the big picture.

        • Aeoli Pera says:

          >He’s moving from destroying his reputation to actually destroying his life. Gamma gamma gamma. Not that I like the other side or anything.

          Solipsism doesn’t distinguish between public and private life.

  4. mendicant says:

    On along enough timescale truth correlates positively with winning, I’d guess increasing monotonically after some point. But biological “fitness” only maps to “winning” in the species or racial sense, and the utility of delusion you allude to (i think?) holds true for individuals. Consider it a truncation effect due to sufficiently short lifespans of telomere-burdened bioreplicators.

    Tolkien understood this on some level, compare his depiction of elves and men, or Tom Bombadil at the extreme.

    Stalin BTW I doubt died of natural causes. Strongly suspect involvement of Beria, who was so malignant he made Uncle Joe himself look like St Francis.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      >On along enough timescale truth correlates positively with winning, I’d guess increasing monotonically after some point. But biological “fitness” only maps to “winning” in the species or racial sense, and the utility of delusion you allude to (i think?) holds true for individuals.

      That’s a damn good effort. My version is simpler.

      Is it good to deceive your enemies? Yes. Is it good to deceive your allies? Usually not. Is it good to deceive your friends and family? Rarely. Is it good to deceive yourself? Never.

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