Archetype spiraling

A while back Ophiuchus said that melonheads are teh real autistes, except that they’re only autistic about the importance of hierarchy. It was one of those things that I didn’t see until somebody said it out loud, and then I started seeing it everywhere. It even puts a phenotypal spin on the old Aristotle/Plato divide.

Then I started to notice that melonheads often express a certain type of purity spiraling, where they fixate on some human archetype and strive to express it as perfectly as possible. Nate from Vox Popoli (slash ATF show) is fixated on being the platonic redneck, Tom Kratman is fixated on being the platonic soldier, MM is fixated on being the platonic American Success, and so on. Even Zuckerberg, whose mix of autism and sociopathy helped to inspire the aspiepath label, expresses his fixation on becoming Augustus (parodied elsewhere as gentle leader).

What I think is going on here is that the obsession with hierarchy gets redirected toward a particular cultural axis, for the purpose of ascending to the top of some subculture and being at the top of that. I.e. “I had rather be first in a village than second at Rome.” The logical thing then is to become the mythical composite of that subculture’s people and principles, in order to inspire and attract its people. This, along with passionate belief in and advocacy for the group’s ideals, would explain a lot of melonhead shallow charisma. If I were around somebody about whom I could say “this person represents everything I stand for”, I’d follow them too.

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207 Responses to Archetype spiraling

  1. bicebicebice says:

    purity spiraling = archetype spiraling? big if true, but are these things done on “purpose” or are they a “side effect”?

  2. Ulixes Orobar says:

    It works as long as they don’t come across as LARPy and obvious; it has to seem natural to others.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      M-front is nuance-front. MTs always seem larpy.

      • Ulixes Orobar says:

        *sigh* Yeah… I can’t express emotion without seeming either LARPy or just plain awkward.

        I never used to understand how MMs could be so warm and outgoing without feeling like they’re putting on a show for people. (This was before I had studied behavioural differences in human individuals and in human groups.)

  3. Mycroft Jones says:

    Holy s— that makes so much sense. Ooh ooh, do me too! Guess my archetype! Probably plays out differently for faux, but I definitely empathize with it and feel like it applies here.

  4. Koanic says:

    Heh yep.

  5. Pseudorandom Bypasser says:

    How does this apply to hybrid types (TMs and MTs)? Based on my understanding and anecdotal experience it seems like both M-backs are interested in organizing their surrounding society and people in a functional way, but compared to full melons MTs are more into idealism/ideology (emphasis on personal aesthetic preference and a genuine belief in it) while full melons are more into pragmatism, ejecting pyramidal SCALE and navigating such systems. TMs are more into what you wrote about becoming a composite and using it for getting into circles but they lack the full melon’s drive and assurance/charisma. Now that we are plugging MPC terminology, it’s fitting to characterize TMs as the primary bugman type: doesn’t really feel a strong belonging to this society, it’s shared cultural roots and maintenance but still likes the shiny stuff and playing with it to fill the inner lack of purpose.

    So, maybe:

    MMs have a hierarchy drive for pragmatism’s sake
    MTs have a hierarchy drive for idealism’s sake

    MMs have an external personality composite for cunning’s sake
    TMs have an external personality composite for dazzling’s sake

    Keep in mind that these aren’t set in stone and things like personality disorders and front/back dominance influence them. They are just each types’ estimated default behavior.

    >melonheads are teh real autistes, except that they’re only autistic about the importance of hierarchy

    I’d continue this by adding that often MTs genuinely seem to be more autistic about idealism or ideology than hierarchy. Could this be rephrased by saying that they are autistic about discipline? Lazer and Akuma come to mind. Constantly going on about gammas, others’ lack of integrity/toughness and their personal boasting (these are more of an observation than a value judgement). Are they the same person?

      • Lazer says:

        It was in reference to this:
        “MTs have a hierarchy drive for idealism’s sake”
        “Could this be rephrased by saying that they are autistic about discipline?”

        That would explain why Walter ignores the plee from the dude about the cops getting called. Before the modern era all you had to worry about was the sheriff. He only got invovled if you couldnt handle it yourself.

        • Lazer says:

          Also the hatred for Gammas is easily explained. Ive done a lot of stuff that most of the modern faggots think is impossible. Or they dont believe even if you show them. A lot of the Gammatude you see is a hijacking of the need to belong instinct, low-trust society, and the polticalization of everything.

          • Pseudorandom Bypasser says:

            >A lot of the Gammatude you see is a hijacking of the need to belong instinct

            So, showing off so that they would like you.

            https://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/9496-small-souled-bugman-morphology-and-evolution/page__st__680#entry382190

            In a way bugmen seem like an upper middle class version of Aeoli’s neotenids, caused by the same social ills of increasing scale and breakdown of small communities.

          • Lazer says:

            Being autistic about discipline is also why MM negroids hate white MTs. They know the White MT has to kill them because of the honor, but cant unless well… you know why. Ive been in this situation before and even the Gamma TT (Him and I both have 23andme and his neanderthal varients were higher than mine) sided with him. The cromag even tried to pincer us into a fight:
            “So and So needs to talk to you after work in the parking lot”
            “Okay. (Pregnant Pause) About what?”

            All of their body language instsntly become insecure and Gamma. I twice before put this nigger in his place. Thats why I believe white Alphas dont exist anymore. If they did all the niggers and *browns* would have been sent home years ago.

          • Pseudorandom Bypasser says:

            @Lazer

            Do you have any experience with bureaucratic gammas?

          • Lazer says:

            @Pseudorandom Bypasser

            Yes.

          • Pseudorandom Bypasser says:

            @Lazer

            Do tell.

          • glosoli says:

            Koanic spotted that I was mis-typed into the TT hall, and I’m probably MT, but definitely not TT.

            I fit the profile mentioned above. Hierarchy and idealism are very important to me.
            Also I seem to react similarly to gammas, and have similar experiences to Lazer and Koanic in fighting injustices.

    • A_K_U_M_A says:

      Ok MM Bison.

    • Pseudorandom Bypasser says:

      More descriptors:

      MM: Society is the audience and playing field
      MT: Society is the endearing tribe to take good care of
      TM: (switching) ingroup is the audience and playing field
      TT: (permanent) ingroup is the endearing tribe to take good care of

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      >How does this apply to hybrid types (TMs and MTs)?

      I think it’s an M-back motive and an M-front skill.

      >Based on my understanding and anecdotal experience it seems like both M-backs are interested in organizing their surrounding society and people in a functional way, but compared to full melons MTs are more into idealism/ideology (emphasis on personal aesthetic preference and a genuine belief in it) while full melons are more into pragmatism, ejecting pyramidal SCALE and navigating such systems.

      Agreed except for the last part. I’ve seen no evidence to suggest that MMs reject SCALE in significant numbers. If anything, they’re more likely than average to be okay with it.

      >TMs are more into what you wrote about becoming a composite and using it for getting into circles but they lack the full melon’s drive and assurance/charisma.

      I think they have a more general, shallow sort of charisma but tend to run out of steam pretty quickly.

      >Now that we are plugging MPC terminology, it’s fitting to characterize TMs as the primary bugman type: doesn’t really feel a strong belonging to this society, it’s shared cultural roots and maintenance but still likes the shiny stuff and playing with it to fill the inner lack of purpose.

      I don’t hang out there, so SCALE is the only term I know.

      >MMs have a hierarchy drive for pragmatism’s sake
      MTs have a hierarchy drive for idealism’s sake
      MMs have an external personality composite for cunning’s sake
      TMs have an external personality composite for dazzling’s sake

      >Keep in mind that these aren’t set in stone and things like personality disorders and front/back dominance influence them. They are just each types’ estimated default behavior.

      Right. Yeah, I’ll buy these. That’s some good listicle shit right there.

      >>melonheads are teh real autistes, except that they’re only autistic about the importance of hierarchy

      >I’d continue this by adding that often MTs genuinely seem to be more autistic about idealism or ideology than hierarchy. Could this be rephrased by saying that they are autistic about discipline? Lazer and Akuma come to mind. Constantly going on about gammas, others’ lack of integrity/toughness and their personal boasting (these are more of an observation than a value judgement). Are they the same person?

      Yeah, it’s the same guy. And yes, I agree.

  6. Pseudorandom Bypasser says:

    And speaking of Ophiuchus and melonhead autism, here’s an interesting bigmelon aspieface aspiepath cumberbatchid. His face at 0:00 would make a great MPC-style sperging emoticon.

    • Pseudorandom Bypasser says:

      Wanted to add: he is what I imagine full melon brain + good grey matter + good local connectivity to look and act like. Either he’s actually some kind of “failed” (not at all imo) mix of melon and thal (adds to my speculation regarding why aspie melons are often either more intelligent and personal bigeyes or weird-looking and relatively dumb meat calculators), or high intelligence means that his cortex is built more laterally around the default melon brain. It kinda seems like dumber thals and melons have different intelligence bottlenecks that somewhat map to men and women or autism and schizophrenia.

  7. Wow this would perfectly explain Kardashian psychology. Amazing.

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  9. Lizard King says:

    “If I were around somebody about whom I could say “this person represents everything I stand for”, I’d follow them too.”

    So then melons just follow someone who represents everything they stand for…except they aren’t around. Meh, I get where you’re going with this. Not quite convinced that this isn’t just Hero Worship. Mostly because I know TTs who do the same thing. I don’t think the fixation on an ideal is solely related to Melony Melon Melons.

    Examples of people I know:
    MT – wants to be teh ultimaet SEALOPERATORDELTASNIPERRANGERSWCCTEAM40
    TT – wants to be Doc Holliday (lel, saem here fam, he’s kewl)
    MM – wantz to b cult leader
    TM – Lol we know they don’t exist :P, Ayyyy

    I guess what I’m getting at is I don’t see how this is a Melony melon melonhead thing. Mayb I’m dum.

    For whatever it’s worth, I do the same thing as blog post mentioned. Annnnd, I’m no melon. My archetype/spirit animal izzz DOC HOLLIDAY ULTIMATE GUNFIGHTER GAMBLER DENTIST +20 luck.

  10. Tom Kratman says:

    Mmmm…no, actually. “Platonic soldier” follows orders.

    Ringo put it in a book wherein I became a character. “Cutprice had visited the various officers bidding on him and explained what a miserable pain in the ass he would be as a junior officer. “I mean, it’ll be horrible, sir. I never listen unless I want to. I do what I want to do and everyone else can go to hell. And I’m clever, so half the time you wouldn’t even suspect what I was up to until you were well and truly screwed by it. Sir, the word ‘insubordination’ in the dictionary? It has a two by three color glossy of me next to it. Sir, you have no idea just how difficult . . .”

    • Lizard King says:

      Exactly.

      Platonic Solider is surely a synonym of Useful Idiot.

      • Tom Kratman says:

        Well, it’s interesting; people who’ve apparently never had any real contact with the military (glosoli, IIRC, has been particularly bad for this, in ways large and small; he may not recognize it) have this image in their minds of automatons, delegating their moral judgment to some soulless machine, orgasmically eager to follow the silliest orders…or in someone’s phrase, “memorizing encyclopaedia” on war from civilians with little or no more clue about war than a rock has.

        I suspect that, in the former case, it makes them feel a bit better about their own absence from life’s great adventure. “Every man thinks meanly of himself who has not been a soldier or gone to sea.” –Samuel Johnson

        I suppose the thing I really find annoying with this approach is the idiotic arrogance of feeling oneself competent to judge – even deeply to analyze – that about which you lack even the tiniest clue, coupled with an apparently adamantine determination never to get this clue.

        This is not restricted to millennials, of course, though it seems to me that they have it rather more strongly than other generations.

        • Lizard King says:

          Right, I think that much of this is from the sheer amounts of media related to the military. Movies, books, video games, etc. Everyone is an expert in their own mind.

          It reminds me of people who think that every AR is unreliable and every AK is inaccurate.

          Or maybe a better comparison is the news describing a handgun as an AK-47 with a .30 caliber assault clipazine.

          • Tom Kratman says:

            Former law partner was enlisted Military Intel, and carried the brief for 1/4 Cav for Opfor weapons for some years. As it turns out, the biggest problem with AKs in Army and Marine hands is that nobody ever bothered to zero them. Zeroed, the 7.62×39 in a decent AK is good for about 250 meters, which is acceptable for normal battle ranges. Though, interestingly, the Austrians did an Experiment in the 1860s, IIRC, wherein they demonstrated that, with untrained marksmen, the odds of a hit were actually better with an unzeroed rifle.

            • Lizard King says:

              Hah, that’s great. It would be interesting to see the full results of that experiment. I’m utterly unfamiliar with weapons from that time frame. 1860s would have been breech loaded rifles, right? I wonder what sort of factory zero they had to contribute to those results.

            • Tom Kratman says:

              ISTR that, while Prussia had long since adopted the Dreyse Needle Gun, the Austro-Hungarian had muzzle loaders, still.

    • Koanic says:

      A modern soldier talking about independence is like a modern woman talking about intelligence.

      • Tom Kratman says:

        And, once again, Koanic, that’s your ignorance talking. Fixated, it would seem, on mere appearances, y
        ou have no idea what the thing is like from the inside.

        • Koanic says:

          One might morbidly speculate whether you think women are un-intelligent or soldiers are un-institutionalized, but what’s important is that your response to criticism is identical to the uncomprehending bluster that a woman produces when the intelligence of her sex is slighted, as predicted.

          For my next koan, I observe that the intelligence to not become a lawyer is like the courage to not become a soldier.

          • Tom Kratman says:

            Just out of curiosity, what fears consumed you for not becoming a soldier that you managed to overcome? Was there a death penalty in the UK for failure to serve? If so, it would be the first I’ve heard of it. Were they going to throw you in prison for not taking Her Majesty’s shilling? News to me. Maybe you can explain it, but it sounds to me very much like, “This word you haf been usink? Ah dunno thin’ i’ means wha’ you thin’ i’ means.”

            • Koanic says:

              I must be more incomprehensible than I thought. You’re supposed to have a high IQ and yet can’t follow my analogies. It’s a good thing I’ve found a systemic solution for the communication gap.

            • Tom Kratman says:

              It’s not inability to follow. It’s that they’re inane to begin with.

        • Tom Kratman says:

          Let me turn it around for you, “A [Koanic} talking about {the military} is like [sere oceans] and [desert jungles].

          It’s really not the same. You simply have no clue about the military. Indeed, I am quite sure that I have more time working inside _your_ country’s armed forces than you do.

          The reaction from different sources isn’t what’s important here. Speaking with utter ignorance is.

          • glosoli says:

            My memory is poor these days.

            Can anyone remember, did Iraq have any weapons of mass destruction? I know some dudes told us they did. Like the NORKs having nukes I guess? So worrying, why don’t we kill all the NORKs?

            I can’t remember, but did the USZOG military shoot up a load of civilians?

            Did it drive up the oil price and military spending (just as a deep recession was unfolding)?

            I just can’t remember any of it.

            • Aeoli Pera says:

              Remember what you said earlier in the thread?

              “We all know what he’s going to say and do. I won’t even take a nibble of his boomer-bait this time.”

              You were doing well to restrain yourself before, but then you despaired and let loose your inhibitions. It’s important to observe how you react to things like this so you can master yourself.

              “But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.”

            • glosoli says:

              Nah, it’s much more important to speak the truth to evil.

            • Aeoli Pera says:

              That was Vox’s rationalization which pissed me off so badly I did four blog posts on it. I’m not pissed at you or anything because you aren’t in the same position of responsibility, but someday you may be so it’s worth preparing your thoughts ahead of time.

              Jesus wasn’t always rebuking the Pharisees, although he did do that a lot. He did other things, some of which were more important. Choose your priorities to emulate his.

            • glosoli says:

              I don’t remember Vox making that distinction at all, but I’m not interested in him (mainly as he’s clearly a counter-intel ops guy designed to increase nationalistic fervour, plus he’s a hypocritical gamma).

              If you read my comment, it’s just a list a questions to the board, not aimed at any particular boomer. We all know the answers.

              Silence speaks volumes, as no one will answer.

              And like Jesus, my rhetorical questions shiv the evil-doers.

            • Aeoli Pera says:

              Sure, you’re doing that but you’re also trying to start shit because it’s fun. Don’t think you can hide from my discernment, the Book says it’s a gift from the Holy Spirit.

            • glosoli says:

              I’m not trying to start shit, it’s boring. Him being here is that: plain boring, a distraction, pointless. I’m really confused as to why you bother to interact with him, when he’s attacking so many of your friends with gamma-like snide comments.
              It’s a distraction for you, a literal waste of your time.

              Re discernment, you didn’t even realise I was joking about the example/torture thing, and you spent a week with me. I know you wouldn’t seek to torture me.

            • Aeoli Pera says:

              It comes and goes :^).

              Yes, all of this is a massive waste of my time. But if we take that to its logical conclusion, I might as well die now and get my reward. My job on earth is to be as Christlike as possible, “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.” If I demonstrated that today, then today was a win. Acting rightly is more important than any weird blog post I could have put out today.

            • glosoli says:

              Not ALL of this is a waste of time, just interacting with boomers like Kratman.

              You seem unable to grasp that he is still here purely to troll and cause trouble, despite now adopting different tactics. He’s sat at home laughing at you.

              Wise up dude.

          • Tom Kratman says:

            Oh, we absolutely know that they did, in a legal sense. Chem, you see counts, and they had chem. We’ve recovered chem. An Iraqi General named George Sada They didn’t use it, but they had it in some limited quantities. The legal definition doesn’t change for limited quantities.. Note, further, that they absolutely had had and used WMD against their civilian populations. I was hizzoner, da mayor, for the remnant population of a couple of town destroyed that way, as well as one Christian town that was not.

            However, in the more real world sense, no. They were working on nukes, but were certainly not close. They probably had a bio program for smallpox, as a bare minimum, going. The last smallpox outbreak in Iraq was 72. There is reason to believe they retained and experimented with samples. http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/bioter/iraqmayhavesmallpox.html

            NORKs…The simple answer, which is also the true one, but not one that would come to somewhat pretty ignorant of the military and war, is that, short of using nukes, ourselves, we can’t take the Norks. Conventionally, they are simply too large, well trained, well-armed, determined, dedicated, and tough, for us to take with our thirteen regular divisions, nor even all of ours and the ROKs.

            • Tom Kratman says:

              Damn, failed to finish a sentence. George Sada said: ‘Well, I want to make it clear, very clear to everybody in the world that we had the weapon of mass destruction in Iraq, and the regime used them against our Iraqi people…I know it because I have got the captains of the Iraqi airway that were my friends, and they told me these weapons of mass destruction had been moved to Syria. Iraq had some projects for nuclear weapons but it was destroyed in 1981.” We didn’t, of course, go looking in Syria so it’s hard to say whether he was right or not.

            • glosoli says:

              It’s clear you are well trained to believe whatever they feed you.

              I guess the napalm doesn’t count as chems, as the good guys were raining it down?

              Sad.

            • Tom Kratman says:

              It actually does count as chem, but not illegal chem. It is not the name that’s illegal, it’s the particular properties and manner of use. VX shells or tanks? Illegal. Incendiaries? There are legal restrictions on the manner of use of incendiaries, but the restrictions are not blanket. The restrictions – and a number of left wing human rights lawyers have attempted to pervert the plain language of the treaties concerned; perhaps they fooled you – is that it is illegal to firebomb cities, really with the intent and effect of burning or suffocating civilians. it is not illegal, as the left claims, to use white phosphorus for smoke or for suffocation, even in cities and towns It is illegal to use napalm or similar incendiaries on troops in the open, but not illegal to suffocate them by burning up the oxygen in the air if their dug in or otherwise fortified, even in cities and towns. Moreover, and the ignorati usually miss this, aerially delivered napalm is safer to use in close proximity to your own troops than anything but 20mm.

              Glad I could fill that little hole in your ignorance. You’re welcome.

            • glosoli says:

              Uncle Sam been busy with his loopholes. Great.

            • Tom Kratman says:

              See, you have to be ignorant of the law of war to consider that a loophole. You are that, of course. But you also have to be ignorant of war itself, as you are, and incompetent in argument, as you also are.

              Here; you keep getting stuck on number two and perhaps it would do you some good to learn to use some other numbers: http://monsterhunternation.com/2013/09/20/the-internet-arguing-checklist/

              Number 2, disqualify, you’ve been a pretty miserable failure at. But what’s interesting to me is the manner in which you try to disqualify, to paraphrase: “You’re only saying that because you’ve been deeply changed by military training and propaganda.” What’s interesting about it is that that faith in the ability to change people by training is a _left_wing_article of faith, a core value; they believe it like Catholics believe in transubstantiation of the bread and wine. Funny that you should both hang on to left wing internet argument technique two like a drunken sailor to a whore’s leg after six month’s at sea, but also adopt for your disqualification basis the lefties’ core philosophy.

              I wonder why that might be…comrade.

            • glosoli says:

              Gosh, so few words attempting to justify napalm on kids. Figures.

            • Tom Kratman says:

              And this, while better than your usual lefty attempts at disqualification, doesn’t work either. You may have missed it, or probably just lacked the intellect and discernment to see it, but I merely gave you the law, not a justification. Moreover, kids is some – frankly deeply dishonest, but who expects better from you, really? – dark fantasy of your own creation.

              Do you want further education on the law of war or would it be, like trying to save your soul, an exercise in futility? Or will it be enough merely to tell you that, in this, as in just about everything you’ve written here, everything you think you know is wrong?

          • Koanic says:

            Your counter-analogy is poorly constructed. On one side are logical impossibilities, on the other the everyday occurrence of a person speaking incorrectly in ignorance.

            You’re ego motivated here, so the only explanation is that you are bad with analogies.

            • Tom Kratman says:

              Or you’re just inane.

            • Koanic says:

              I am not the one who just constructed a meaningless analogy. Perhaps an illustration will help:

              Tom Kratman pulling his head out of his ass is like sere oceans and desert jungles.

              This analogy is balanced, with a logical impossibility at either end.

            • Tom Kratman says:

              And that doesn’t work either, on a purely factual and logical basis. It’s inane.

            • glosoli says:

              I think he has an allergy to analogies.

            • Tom Kratman says:

              Senseless one I do, yes.

            • Koanic says:

              Whereas the faults in your analogies are due to unconscious incompetence, mine are the point of the joke. Which is why you don’t understand them – the punchline is in your blind spot.

              Let’s count:
              1. Pulling your head out of your ass, figuratively, is not a priori logically impossible. Humor by exaggeration.
              2. However, the literal interpretation of the phrase actually is a logical impossibility. Double meaning, paradox.
              3. Committing the same error as I critique, without committing it. Parallelism; dominance.
              4. Having one’s head up one’s ass would render balance difficult. Imagery.
              5. And lastly, “either end” is a pun on head and ass.

            • Tom Kratman says:

              So you judge the value of a analogy but its pointless punnery and value style over substance. logic, and truth. Good to know.

            • Koanic says:

              You mistake the pleasing flourishes for the main thrust, thereby proving my point, as you remain impacted in airless darkness.

            • Tom Kratman says:

              Let me suggest to you that you see a main thrust, where none actually is.

            • Koanic says:

              Certainly there is. I am exploiting your combative nature and cognitive limitations to make you look stupid, in a way you can’t object to, since you do the same to others when you can.

            • Tom Kratman says:

              No, you’re simply illustrating that there’s nothing but pretense to you. I addressed this before, I think back on Vox Pop, that you need this illusion of intellectual adequacy, but however desperate your need, it remains illusion.

            • Koanic says:

              Your model is false. I don’t know whether I’m holistically cognitively superior to you or not. Clearly you’re now slowed by age, depending on crystallized intelligence. It’s hard to say how much flexibility you retain. You never conceded the formal error in your counter-analogy, but that might simply be arrogance, not stupidity.

              Perhaps when you were younger, you were my superior, and if we were in your domain of expertise, such as military theory, you could crush me.

              It doesn’t matter. There’s more than firepower to a fight. I take no pride in beating you. That was your own foolish arrogance. However, I delight in the flourishes, and enjoyed the opportunity to explain some of them.

            • Koanic says:

              For completeness, I’ll provide the solution to my second koan.

              All know that lawyers are more intelligent and soldiers braver than the general population. But some of the exceptionally intelligent recognize that American law is corrupt and evil, and the American lawyer on average impotent, unhappy and overworked. Likewise, some of the exceptionally courageous realize that becoming a soldier often dictates a life of safety and inaction, and dimishes one’s freedom to come to grips with one’s chosen enemy, rather than the State’s. Thus some reject lawyering out of intelligence, and some avoid soldiering out of courage.

            • Tom Kratman says:

              One illustration of your slowness. A human being of at least normal intelligence would have figured this out a while ago. You have not. Draw the inferences from that.

              What would they have figured out? That I really stopped paying much attention to you some months ago, having determined that there was no substance there, but only a midwit, trying for profundity and failing, filled to the brim with nonsense soundbites, So the process is this; you write something. I look at it, and instantly discern that it is objectively useless nonsense, valid only for you and that only to stroke your fragile ego. I then shit upon it, as efficiently as possible consistent with causing you psychic pain (for your own good, of course), and move on. If you write additional matter, I can safely presume that it, too, is useless nonsense and ignore it except for, once again, as efficiently as possible, shitting on you and it. At some point in time, however, it’s not worth even that much effort.

            • Koanic says:

              I’ve said several times now that I anticipated your careless overconfidence. Your deployment of the “I wasn’t trying” excuse merely indicates that you finally realize you’ve lost.

            • Koanic says:

              Apparently my memory betrays me. Kratman’s careless overconfidence was at the forefront of my mind from the beginning as I baited him, but I only alluded to it twice by referring to his “arrogance”, which does not count as “several”.

              I would’ve let the rhetoric stand, but unlike Kratman I do not permit laziness to make me a liar.

            • Tom Kratman says:

              Not an excuse at all, merely a fact that might inform you to waste less of your time trying to impress me. It’s far too late for that.

            • Koanic says:

              It is the easiest thing in the world to impress you. One need only flatter. That is the other way to exploit pride, and I would use it if I cared about your opinion.

            • Tom Kratman says:

              Do you have an example of this or is it, like the rest of your life, a fantasy designed to make you feel better than you are?

            • Tom Kratman says:

              Example, your earlier claim that I fought “Harder than all but a few.” IIRC? You may note I pretty much ignored you. Why? Because while flattery in general doesn’t move me, indeed, I find it slightly embarrassing, flattery from the shallow end of the gene pool is positively embarrassing.

              Doesn’t it ever sink through your neutronium-dense skull that you understanding nothing at all?

      • Tom Kratman says:

        Seriously, you should be embarrassed to speak (or write) in public about something you know nothing about, and where everything of significance that you think you know is simply wrong.

  11. glosoli says:

    @Aeoli, why on earth did you allude to Kratman in this post, thus encouraging him out of the woodwork once again? Let your genius send him away for good (unless you like repeated trouble here)?

    We all know what he’s going to say and do. I won’t even take a nibble of his boomer-bait this time.

    Long may the boomers rejoice in their defence of the women of ZOG.

  12. Tom Kratman says:

    Then you are credulous indeed.

  13. Tom Kratman says:

    Ya know, Aeoli, there _are_ cogent arguments in favor of any number of things the idiot left considers racism, good arguments advanced by thoughtful men and women. I’ve made a number of them, myself, though – truth in advertising – I do not consider my arguments to be racist.

    Why is it, do you suppose, that this particular stream of racism is so replete with morons, dunderheads, and fools?

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      >Ya know, Aeoli, there _are_ cogent arguments in favor of any number of things the idiot left considers racism, good arguments advanced by thoughtful men and women. I’ve made a number of them, myself, though – truth in advertising – I do not consider my arguments to be racist.

      I presume you’re talking about edenism/neanderthal theory as a whole. It also appears you’re assuming that the purpose of said theory is to rationalize racism. But I was a racist before I’d ever heard of Koanic, via “The Bell Curve”.

      >Why is it, do you suppose, that this particular stream of racism is so replete with morons, dunderheads, and fools?

      Because only a social retard would get involved in autism identitarianism.

    • Tom Kratman says:

      No, I’m actually just talking about the dunderheads, morons, and fools. You may be odd, but you do not fit those descriptors.

      It might be useful to you to have the four filters for racism. A viewpoint, in order to be racist, must: 1) Be genetically based. If it is mistaking culture and history for genes it is wrongheaded, probably, but isn’t actually racism, until it is demonstrated as more than an unsupported, bald-faced claim that the two are exactly the same, 2) be morally dispositive (there is no chance of meeting any other grouping except as enemies), 3) admit of no exceptions, 4) be false. Anything less than meeting those four in full doesn’t really qualify, I think, and instead of racism ought be called something lesser, racial tendencyism, perhaps. (Yeah I hate neologisms, too, and you can play with that one if you like.)

      The Bell Curve describes and addresses IQ score differentials between groups, for the most part. If those differences are true (yes, of course they are, for scores), then it cannot be racist. IQ differentials for the groups also say nothing about individuals, again not racist. And, rather than being morally dispositive, in the sense used, The Bell Curve specifically addresses moral responsibility to the men and women, and their descendants, who shed blood for the country, but aren’t all that bright.

      However, for various reasons – and I can say this from a position of strength considerably above a mere “MENSA level IQ” – I am highly skeptical of the validity of the scores. I am highly skeptical of a methodology that measures ability to assimilate formulae and discounts original problem solving ability. I just don’t think we know enough to say X is Y-smart, and Z is A-dumb, with enough certainty. We can observe someone for a time and come to a more valid conclusion that they are idiots or quite bright than any IQ test will tell us; remember, the tests have always been more with efficiency and speed of time to administer.

      • Aeoli Pera says:

        >No, I’m actually just talking about the dunderheads, morons, and fools. You may be odd, but you do not fit those descriptors.

        Thank you, on my better days I tend to agree.

        >It might be useful to you to have the four filters for racism. A viewpoint, in order to be racist, must: 1) Be genetically based. If it is mistaking culture and history for genes it is wrongheaded, probably, but isn’t actually racism, until it is demonstrated as more than an unsupported, bald-faced claim that the two are exactly the same, 2) be morally dispositive (there is no chance of meeting any other grouping except as enemies), 3) admit of no exceptions, 4) be false. Anything less than meeting those four in full doesn’t really qualify, I think, and instead of racism ought be called something lesser, racial tendencyism, perhaps. (Yeah I hate neologisms, too, and you can play with that one if you like.)

        What you’re describing is a useful concept and generally matches what Americans think of as “racism”, which is to say the bad/primitive kind of racism. I’m using the term as the dictionary does, though I’m not averse to greater precision. That said, normal people who know what I believe about race would describe me as a racist, and I oppose redefining words in a way that diametrically opposes the colloquial.

        >The Bell Curve describes and addresses IQ score differentials between groups, for the most part. If those differences are true (yes, of course they are, for scores), then it cannot be racist. IQ differentials for the groups also say nothing about individuals, again not racist. And, rather than being morally dispositive, in the sense used, The Bell Curve specifically addresses moral responsibility to the men and women, and their descendants, who shed blood for the country, but aren’t all that bright.

        My belief, basically, is that stupidity describes 70% of human action, and that stupidity has the same relation to sin (morality) as blindness (“sin no more”). In my opinion, this is a view that’s well-supported by IQ research data.

        >However, for various reasons – and I can say this from a position of strength considerably above a mere “MENSA level IQ” – I am highly skeptical of the validity of the scores. I am highly skeptical of a methodology that measures ability to assimilate formulae and discounts original problem solving ability. I just don’t think we know enough to say X is Y-smart, and Z is A-dumb, with enough certainty. We can observe someone for a time and come to a more valid conclusion that they are idiots or quite bright than any IQ test will tell us; remember, the tests have always been more with efficiency and speed of time to administer.

        Sure, they could be improved. I’ve made some suggestions myself, on the off chance that somebody more serious may read here.

        • Tom Kratman says:

          It’s not stupidity, actually. It’s instinct and emotion, which may or may not be stupid, in practice. If you haven’t read it, I strongly recommend Jonathan Haidt’s The Righteous Mind (and – yes I have witnesses – I beat Haidt to his thesis by a good forty years, though I only have witnesses back for about 15 years). In any case, it’s just the way people are. We reason around the margins, we reason about the trivial, or we reason from – or to defend – our pre-existing prejudices _almost_entirely_. There’s nothing really wrong with that; it’s what it means to be a human being.

  14. Aeoli Pera says:

    I’m not seeing much improvement in the responses from last time. We may need a more explicit, purposeful sort of practice.

  15. Tom Kratman says:

    I started out rather peacefully and civilly, you may notice. Even my comment on glosoli’s curious prejudices was civil. (What is it, by the way, what weakness of character, that makes someone unable to stand contrary opinions, to insist they be silenced?)

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      My intention is to produce functional adults, and part of this is training the people who look up to me to act rightly and responsibly under stress. This requires practice and correction.

  16. Tom Kratman says:

    Now why did you dispense with that one, Aeoli? It was nothing less, indeed not nearly as much, as the crawling filth deserved?

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      Deserving and not deserving is God’s business, not mine.

      • Tom Kratman says:

        Actually, when it involved my wife, it’s _mine_. I don’t suppose you have a valid address or anything like that? Perhaps a list of the pseudonyms he uses? He sounds familiar; who was he on vox pop? You could consider it doing your part to improve the human genome, if that helps.

        • Aeoli Pera says:

          >Actually, when it involved my wife, it’s _mine_.

          It’s the internet. You’re going to have a rough time of it if trolling inspires you to real anger. It’s a cultural values thing. In these parts, anger means you lost and everybody else has a lulz.

          >I don’t suppose you have a valid address or anything like that?

          I don’t, and I wouldn’t give it to you if I did. Going off like this to protect your wife’s honor is not more moral than if it were to protect your own. Show some self-restraint.

        • Tom Kratman says:

          I’m not angry in the slightest. Unlike many…most, I suppose…I don’t need anger to do certain things. You, better than most, should know that without being told.

          I didn’t think you would or could, but I felt a certain obligation to ask. It’s also important for people to know that, if they’re dumb enough to say something like that in my presence, I really can’t be held to blame for what will follow.

          Oh, that reminds me; this sort of thing sometimes really charges my batteries. Think of it as therapy. Under the sheer joyful impulse of the last go round, I was able to write, oh, I suppose about 50 or 60k words, and finish a novel (Carrera VII). So thanks to Gary the welchman, who gets some minor press in said book, plus Koanic, who does not. Swog might have earned some credit but is generally not significant enough for me to give any.

  17. Aeoli Pera says:

    Then I suggest observing the trends in my moderation.

  18. Aeoli Pera says:

    Surely none of my choices are surprising? I may be crazy but I’m also eminently reasonable.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      >Your lack of loyalty is surprising.

      Presumes facts not in evidence.

      >Why the fake neutrality in all this?

      I’m genuinely neutral because I don’t care a whit about this argument. Didn’t even read most of it.

      >Why not ban the fucker before you hurt a relationship that, reasonably speaking, is of great value to you?

      Because I don’t view relationships as primarily transactional. That’s a secondary consideration at best, and even this is a very recent development in my personality.

    • A_K_U_M_A says:

      A man that makes 20 USD an hour but cant get laid or even a blowjob isnt reasonable in the slightest. Or a girlfriend. I know plenty of women who would kill to get a man who makes 20 USD. Your amygdala is clearly rabbit like and was clicked by my comments. Furthermore was wrong with any of my comments. Nothing. Again your assuming that because your slightly older than me you know better. You also are improperly assuming that my comments are wrong. Your silencing me because Im getting to close to the truth rather than directly addressing what im saying.

      • A_K_U_M_A says:

        So why doesnt he pick up one of the cute girls from his local gym? He has a million excuses but not one good reason.

        • Tom Kratman says:

          You have no idea what his reasons are. Again, you are operating off extremely limited data and making judgments from it that the data just won’t support. He may have very high standards. He may have a physical deformity. He may be leaving it up to God, who is the greatest of matchmakers. He may be deeply religious, in an “I am saving it for marriage” way. He may be contemplating the priesthood. He may be saving so that, if it happens, he will be able to support the endeavor financially. You simply don’t and can’t know.

      • Tom Kratman says:

        What the hell was wrong with that one?

        • Aeoli Pera says:

          Sorry, it’s a tricky business. Akuma is crazy and requires more intricate handling on my part.

          • Tom Kratman says:

            Clinically crazy or just really weird and strikingly immature?

          • Aeoli Pera says:

            That said, he’s also showed the capacity for self-control…the question is whether he will actually do it. I have to focus on the people who show the best potential to get their shit together.

          • Tom Kratman says:

            If that’s your calling…

          • Tom Kratman says:

            Something I learned as a commander that I commend to you: There are people you can help and people you can’t.

            • Aeoli Pera says:

              Yeah, I know. But I’m not trying to put anybody on the moon here, just trying to pick up the pieces of the white race, or what remains of it. Somebody has to do it.

          • A_K_U_M_A says:

            Also Crazy? Your acting very Gamma. The event that I suspect your refering too I have it on good authority that my reaction was completely sane and logical. It was clearly another case of the idiot authorities (who have IQs of 125 or lower) attempting label me crazy. I broke no laws and they even gave me the gun back.

            Id like specifics please. All I see here is some psuedo-dialetical on your part.

          • A_K_U_M_A says:

            Also I have it on good authority that the clinical authories are nuts. I suggest you research the https://infogalactic.com/info/Rosenhan_experiment.

            Modern psychiatry is a laughing stock. Plus its funny that Im crazy when you drink moonshine every night. A drink that contains a known neurotoxin Alcohol.

          • A_K_U_M_A says:

            Also Aeoli. Using Lethal Force in Defense of Property in my state is completley legal. So you gonna call me crazy for following the law. Saps please I dont have time for this. We are at war and your concerned with my completely fine mental health. Have you even gone toe to toe with a Dindu? Cause thats a skill your gonna need when it all goes down.

          • A_K_U_M_A says:

            Also Aeoli and Kratman tag team maybe you could explain to us why technology has barely advanced since WW2. Yoid think the U.S. Army would have at least found an excuse to staying running other than fake wars by now.

            Also Kratman maybe in your infinite nonwisdom you can answer a question I have.? Why does it seem like no generation can evolve past the behavioral patterns of the roaring 20s?

            P.s. Aeoli if you delete this you are so far from truth and deep inquiry in your thought process your only hope is a mega dose of LSD.

          • glosoli says:

            I think it’s poor form to talk about a friend’s history like this in public, especially with someone who is not on our side.

            Lazer (I assume) is a sperg, but that doesn’t make him crazy. Just means NTs will struggle with understanding him, and will be biased against him. Seems weird me explaining this to Aeoli.

          • Tom Kratman says:

            For the first time that I am aware of, you wrote the truth, which is to say, I am not on _your_, which is also to say, Satan’s, side.

          • glosoli says:

            I wrote the truth about the napalm too, but you chose to ignore that one.

        • Tom Kratman says:

          I probably didn’t see it. I don’t recall it, in any case. Was it a claim that we used napalm? Technically not but, of course, in practice, yes. Was it a claim that it’s use is illegal? If so, do you really need and want me to intellectually slap the shit out of you over your lack of understanding of the law of armed conflict, or weapons, or their effects?

      • Tom Kratman says:

        Never mind, I’ll content myself with this:

        Akuma, you are drawing conclusions from insufficient data. You might want to work on that.

        • A_K_U_M_A says:

          No Im not. Im drawing conclusions based upon the memories of prior conversations with Aeoli. How am I crazy Aeoli. I have very good impulse control. I doubt if you lived a day in some of the areas I lived in youd be running around naked in the streets screaming for help.

          Oh are you refering to the anxiety brought on quitting cigarettes. Thats normal ask anyone whose quit. Id like to know what Clinical insanity you are refering to here?

          Also all my problems and yours too can be traced to one event maybe two if you stretch it that was completely out of my control. Anyone that uses it as a tool to keep me down or throw me under the bus is the clinically insane one.

          • A_K_U_M_A says:

            I doubt it. if you lived a day in some of the areas I lived in youd be running around naked in the streets screaming for help. Im talking straight up coming race war. Where theres a dindu cell waiting on every corner. The only thing that saves you in that environment is a bicycle, a quick sprint, and the cold. Youd be dead in ten minutes Aeoli.

          • Tom Kratman says:

            Akuma, the more I think on it, the more Aeoli’s diagnosis seems to fit. You have enough problems without me adding to them…even if it’s fun to do so. Go your own way, as best you can. I’m pretty much going to ignore you hereafter and hope Aeoli can do you some desperately needed good.

          • glosoli says:

            If anyone wants evidence of the nature of Kratman’s nature and intent, it’s very clear from this comment.

          • Tom Kratman says:

            If anyone wants evidence of g-spot’s midwittery and lack of discernment, it on full display from his comment.

    • glosoli says:

      MM, take 48 hours to calm down please.
      Don’t get your comments deleted.
      Don’t leave.
      Just ignore Kratman, he’s only here to cause trouble, sadly Aeoli doesn’t seem to realise that.

      The Altrugenics forum is a barren wasteland of (mostly) heathens. I read a comment there today from some young clown who has concluded that Jehovah is evil. Seriously.

      I despair for the whole movement: Christians mingling with non-believers (fail).
      Autistic types allowing boomers to shit all over their friends.
      It’s all fucked up and depressing.
      And Las Vegas looks fake as fuck too. But everyone buys it, hook line & sinker.

      • Tom Kratman says:

        If some of you could learn to be civil I am quite sure there would be no problems.

      • Aeoli Pera says:

        I understand I owe you some answers, please be patient.

      • glosoli says:

        ‘for an example’ implies some sort of torture!

      • A_K_U_M_A says:

        No this is bullshit MM is a great guy. I dont see why Aeoli is banning both of us. Take this as a lesson MM of what happens when you get stuck dealing with a disloyal person like Aeoli. Hes too scared to have reasonable discussions. Hes also hiding his disloyalty under the guise of Plausible deniability. Kratman came her insulting and Aeoli took his side. Kratman a known resident of the Tower of Babel. Aeoli also acts like a pseudo authority figure and he cant even find a wife despite being a Christian. How can someone not find a wife when they make 20 USD? Like seriously dude you should seriously reconsider your life choices. Hell even my former and late priest had to leave the church after he had a relationship with an girl in her 20s 20 years before. He got more ass then Aeoli.

        • Aeoli Pera says:

          Unfortunately I’m becoming a real authority figure because all the better people for the job couldn’t be arsed. God grant me the wisdom to deal with this crowd :-/.

      • SirHamster says:

        > Unfortunately I’m becoming a real authority figure because all the better people for the job couldn’t be arsed. God grant me the wisdom to deal with this crowd :-/.

        Sheep without a shepherd. The harvest is great, but the workers are few.

  19. Lizard King says:

    What the hell happened?

    Why is it so hard to be civil? What is this malaise? Is this the leprosy of modern man? Is this the best we can muster? Why must we be broken?

    Here we stand at the end of history. Bickering like children.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      This is why leadership is necessary. Clearly no one better-suited is willing to make the sacrifice.

      • Lizard King says:

        I think this is also why no one wants to take up leadership.

        It’s like herding fucking cats man.

        • Aeoli Pera says:

          If charity doesn’t suck, you’re doing it wrong.

          • Lizard King says:

            Yeah. I had some thoughts along those lines with stuff going on with me right now.

            It doesn’t get easier. I think it may even get harder.

            At least liquor is cheap. :D

            • Lizard King says:

              I just laugh so I don’t cry. :)

              JKLOL REEL THALZ DONT CRY

              You know, I think that everyone here would benefit from some time in the woods. Just hanging out, campfire, raifu, friendz, likker, etc. Just don’t go alone or the skinwalkerz will get u. :D

        • Tom Kratman says:

          Cats, pussies…rabid pussies, perhaps?

          We’re not at the end of history, that’s a cry you hear from the SJWs and, quite often, more subtly pled for, the Alt-right and Alt-white. I mean by this that explicitly or implicitly they are demanding the end of history, for all problems to be settled, and for the world to become the very platonic essence of their fantasies.

          We’re nearing the end of our civilization. It’s going to mean megadeaths. Multi-megadeaths. That will be the start of the new chapter of our history.

          You won’t get leadership – or command – from me on this because, as previously discussed, partly I don’t think anything can be done with enough millennials to matter, but mostly because I am a civic nationalist, with a considerable degree of limited utility eugenicist thrown in. I am also a civilizationist, but what good is that amidst a crowd of people perfectly happy to pull down and destroy anything that doesn’t conform to their fantasies?

        • glosoli says:

          ‘It’s like herding fucking cats man.’

          That alone is hard enough, without allowing a malicious fedgov automaton to wander around causing trouble. I’m a cat expert, cats will react by attacking the threat.

          Any leader worth his salt would have spotted this last time and kicked out the trouble.
          Hence, Aeoli might think he’s leading, but he’s not.

          • Tom Kratman says:

            And another millennialism for framing: Translation: glosoli has a limited vocabulary and tightly constrained conceptual universe, knows nothing about matters or people he imagines himself fit to comment on, and mistakes leadership for someone doing exactly what he, the midwit fantacist masquerading as a Christian, wants to keep his fantasy intact.

    • glosoli says:

      Why do you think people here (I can now count 5, 6 if we include Aeoli’s initial response last time) are hostile towards Kratman?

      Once you can answer that question, then you’ll be dealing with reality.

      Until then, you’re both totally missing the point, and providing another example of why Neanderthals were wiped out.

      • Lizard King says:

        I can think of many reasons why someone would be hostile towards him. None of them are reasonable to me. If you can give me a good reason, surely I will listen.

        • Tom Kratman says:

          From my point of view it’s that glosoli has a number of very serious moral, intellectual, and emotional deficiencies. He does not seem able to stand anything that doesn’t fit his fantasy universe. He tosses around charges of “gamma!” largely because he is one whereas I am, in the words of a certain radio personality in Chattanooga – remember, his words, not mine – “The Alpha Male of the universe.”* (This is not actually true; I am an “optional Alpha;” I have to give a shit to assume power. I have been bending larger organizations to my will since I was a child.) His Christianity strikes me as mere hypocrisy; I am sure Christ would have disowned him or used him to illustrate a very negative parable, back then, and will likely consign him to Hellfire in the certain future.

          I shall, of course, pray for mercy for him, pointing out to the Divinity that expecting a frustrated midwit to act any better is perhaps asking for too much.

          *This was half of where that opinion came from; witnesses are not especially hard to find:

          At Libertycon, some 14 years ago. I was in the Army. I was 5’10″, 165 pounds, and not bad looking. Moreover, I had (still have) killer eyes and had (but don’t anymore) a just shy of commercial quality singing voice. And I’ve always been lucky with / good with women.

          Several of us are talking and arguing at a table by the pool. One of these is a seriously hot liberal chick named Shannon, IIRC. I am NOT trying to bag her. I am in a vile mood anyway, because I was a day late to the goddamned con. Why? Because the car’s clutch had died going up the Great Smokies, and I’d spent the first night of it in a fleabag motel (all that was available) while a backyard mechanic hunted down a clutch for me.
          So, being disinterested in access to Shannon’s hot little body, and being in a vile mood, I go _way_ out of my way to be illiberal, misogynistic, condescending, patronizing, and rude. Hell, she’s liberal and her boyfriend’s a wimp. They deserve it.

          But it doesn’t work quite the way one would expect. Every comment I make the chick moves a little closer. So does she at the war songs. It gets to the point where to get my attention she is reaching out to touch me…gently…reverently…adoringly…like I was a god. Oh…and asking in a tone of voice that one reserves for divinity, too. And she doesn’t have the excuse of being drunk either. And her wimp boyfriend is there to see it all.
          The radio personality’s comment, later, was, “One more misogynistic comment from you and she was going to throw you over her shoulder and drag you off and MAKE you rape her.”

        • glosoli says:

          ‘I am sure Christ would have disowned him or used him to illustrate a very negative parable, back then, and will likely consign him to Hellfire in the certain future.’

          Not a surprise that within a boomeresque diatribe that was unrelated to my question, Kratman deigns to know what God himself will do as regards me. I can only pray for such humility.

          ‘I can think of many reasons why someone would be hostile towards him. None of them are reasonable to me. If you can give me a good reason, surely I will listen.’

          By definition, I think you’ll find a reason is reasonable.

          I’d rather Aeoli realised what’s going on, I don’t even know who you are, and it’s not your blog.

          • Tom Kratman says:

            You seem amazingly fascinated by me, for someone who feigns not to know who I am.

            I wasn’t addressing _your_ question, Dummie. I was addressing Lizard. Why this gamma-esque insistence that everything is about you?

            • glosoli says:

              Ah, the first glimpse of Kratman anger. Calm down lad.

              ‘Why this gamma-esque insistence that everything is about you?’

              I believe you wrote the following:

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              ‘From my point of view it’s that glosoli has a number of very serious moral, intellectual, and emotional deficiencies. He does not seem able to stand anything that doesn’t fit his fantasy universe. He tosses around charges of “gamma!” largely because he is one whereas I am, in the words of a certain radio personality in Chattanooga – remember, his words, not mine – “The Alpha Male of the universe.”* (This is not actually true; I am an “optional Alpha;” I have to give a shit to assume power. I have been bending larger organizations to my will since I was a child.) His Christianity strikes me as mere hypocrisy; I am sure Christ would have disowned him or used him to illustrate a very negative parable, back then, and will likely consign him to Hellfire in the certain future.

              I shall, of course, pray for mercy for him, pointing out to the Divinity that expecting a frustrated midwit to act any better is perhaps asking for too much.’

            • Tom Kratman says:

              No, you’re just projecting. I really don’t get angry about these things. It’s not necessary.

            • Tom Kratman says:

              And it was still not _you_ I was addressing, even if you were citied to.

            • Tom Kratman says:

              This does not, of course, bar you from commenting; it only bars you from claiming I was addressing you.

            • glosoli says:

              I’m sensing his incoherence, possibly high or drunk?

            • Tom Kratman says:

              And, as one has come to expect, you’re sensing your own fears and fantasies. Don’t drink. Don’t smoke. Don’t do drugs.

              Go have another scotch; I’m sure you’ll feel much better.

            • Tom Kratman says:

              You’re really not very good at this, you know. Also…you seem to be stuck on one step or another of Larry Correia’s left wing internet arguing checklist. Maybe best if you try to move on.

          • Lizard King says:

            “By definition, I think you’ll find a reason is reasonable.”

            Goodness, I hate playing the semantics game…I’m not the best at typing things out so you’ll have to forgive me. I suppose what I meant was, “Convince me.”

            “I’d rather Aeoli realised what’s going on, I don’t even know who you are, and it’s not your blog.”

            Er, I wasn’t meaning to imply that it was my blog? You replied to my comment so that’s why I was asking you. I was hoping for some (oh dear, here’s the word again) reasonable discourse.

      • Tom Kratman says:

        I think it’s because they’re morally, intellectually, and emotionally deficient. What’s your theory?

  20. Aeoli Pera says:

    That was an excellent example of a boildown. Cut the fat…or I guess nowadays we should say cut the carbs and sugar.

  21. Aeoli Pera says:

    Yup. I won’t tell the kids to try it at home yet, but effectiveness is a great reason to do something.

  22. Boneflour says:

    Don’t believe in yourself, believe in the Aeoli that believes in you! YOU ARE THE NEET THAT WILL STAND ON TWO FEET!

  23. I just wanted an excuse to discuss Kim Kardashian and Kanye West to be honest. I am more disappointed in this thread than anyone.

    • bicebicebice says:

      Go on…here I go: Kanye landed himself in the loonie bin thanks to “achetype spiraling/purity spiraling”, his inner drive was more powerful than the fabricated hollywood artists. NOW, did that happen on purpose or not, could he control the “return to the mean”? Did he care, did he know? Could anyone “not regress” to their true selves over time factor in/out status and class in society i.e Have it m$d£.

      • I think that melons always are left facing a choice between truth and artistic purity and Satan. Kanye was faced with that choice. I know because I went through a similar experience. You ignore the truth for so long because you think it’s just expedient, and it’s part of the growth process, sort of like a deluded neurotic phase, and you just float to the top naturally, but then you realise that ignoring the truth is the whole point of the control mechanism. And you can either carry on down that path in full acceptance of the evil or you break from it and fall, fall, fall until you land somewhere.

  24. Ophiucuck says:

    See what I mean?

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  29. MM says:

    Oh fuck, what a comments section.

    (KrAtMan MuST Ap0LoGiuSe)

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