Schizoid disregard for social norms

Previously, Aspie disregard for social norms.

I had to look schizoid up because it’s been a while since I read about it, and it’s different enough from schizophrenic, schizotypal, etc. that I expect you’ll also want a synopsis.

Schizoid personality disorder (SPD) is a personality disorder characterized by a lack of interest in social relationships, a tendency towards a solitary or sheltered lifestyle, secretiveness, emotional coldness, detachment, and apathy. Affected individuals may be unable to form intimate attachments to others and simultaneously demonstrate a rich, elaborate and exclusively internal fantasy world.[1][2]

SPD is not the same as schizophrenia or schizotypal personality disorder. But there is some evidence of links and shared genetic risk between SPD, other cluster A personality disorders and schizophrenia. Thus, SPD is considered to be a “schizophrenia-like personality disorder”.[3][4]

Schizoid

A cluster analysis would probably find this bound up with Asperger’s, introversion, and the ADHD/OCD/Tourette’s triad. The distinguishing factor appears to be social anxiety.

While people affected with APD avoid social interactions due to anxiety or feelings of incompetence, those with SPD do so because they are genuinely indifferent to social relationships. A 1989 study,[37] however, found that “schizoid and avoidant personalities were found to display equivalent levels of anxiety, depression, and psychotic tendencies as compared to psychiatric control patients.” There also seems to be some shared genetic risk between SPD and AvPD (see schizoid-avoidant behavior).

Several sources to date have confirmed the synonymy of SPD and avoidant attachment style.[38] However, the distinction should be made that individuals with SPD characteristically do not seek social interactions merely due to lack of interest, while those with avoidant attachment style can in fact be interested in interacting with others, but without establishing connections of much depth or length due to having little tolerance for any kind of intimacy.

So a schizoid personality will disregard social norms because they are uninterested in them, whether the schizoid happens to be aware of them or not. It seems likely that Vox’s Sigma personality is a combination of schizoid personality and entitlement, and possibly solipsistic (where entitled + solipsistic = narcissistic).

This schizoid category describes me reasonably well, but not perfectly. It’s quite interesting that the distinguishing factor is social anxiety because I had strong social anxiety back before I was a genius, and now I don’t have any social anxiety. On the other hand, I still have normal-to-highish levels of general anxiety with respect to consequences. So I don’t have any fear of public speaking now, and could pull down my pants onstage without embarrassment if it was in front of a crowd I’d never see again, but I do fear the material consequences of public humiliation.

It’s interesting to think about the shifts in personality traits I’ve observed in myself during transitions between phases of my life. I think I’ll do an inventory of those traits tomorrow, then finish off this series with sociopaths and ODD. Man, this conscientiousness thing is nice, I’d recommend it to anybody.

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37 Responses to Schizoid disregard for social norms

  1. Akuma says:

    “So a schizoid personality will disregard social norms because they are uninterested in them, whether the schizoid happens to be aware of them or not.”

    Sigma: “I can charm any women, but why bother.”

    They are indifferent to norms. Asociality, rather than Prosocial or Anti-Social. A schizoid can easily flex their social skills. There’s the concept of the secret schizoid that presents as a normal functioning person, but only does so to get their needs met. Think of a Sigma who tends to a solitary life, but still manages to win the social game. Essentially, biological winning is in tune with social winning.

    In a K selected Ice Age environment this is an advantage. Your social contacts will actually be genuine, reliable, and part of a greater tribe. In a large group R selected modern environment you can survive alone or manipulate the rabbits to do your bidding.

  2. Lizard King says:

    Oooh, I didn’t know that I was a Schizoid. Or, at least, I guess I used to be? :D

    I care about people now. But it doesn’t come natural. Took a lot of work to get here.

    • bicebicebice says:

      Having no interest in people who flipped your society upside down is a natural reaction, caring for a very select few is completely normal. A lot of these diagnoses, under current circumstances, are completely natural.

      • Lizard King says:

        “A lot of these diagnoses, under current circumstances, are completely natural.”

        Right, just another way to be labeled “mentally ill”.

        “Ahh, yes, you are a Schizoid. See, my diagnosis is perfect. Now, your choices are either be put in this state run mental facility for re-education or start taking your meds. You have three seconds to choose before I call security.”

  3. TM© says:

    a lack of interest in social relationships,
    a tendency towards a solitary or sheltered lifestyle,
    secretiveness,
    emotional coldness,
    detachment,
    and apathy.

    That’s very much me. Never knew that was schizoid, though. To think, if we went to a psych’ and got diagnosed with all the shit we have — we’re talking some serious NEETbux! Perhaps to some it would be a wonder how we function…

    • Akuma says:

      Schizoid is rarely diagnosed because funnily enough most of them dont seek treatment. I suspect even if they did most of them are smart enough to not trust the psychiatrist so they can easily evade the diagnosis.

      • TM says:

        It doesn’t stand out as much as other disorders, either. I could see untrained eyes brushing it off as weird introversion.

        • Ulixes Orobar says:

          I really doubt that most schizoids think that there’s anything wrong with being schizoid. Plus, a diagnosis in this case pretty much just places you into a category.

          • Akuma says:

            Of course they don’t, but untrustworthy libreral psychiatrists, non-existent society, and extroverts see them as wrong.

  4. Akuma says:

    Also (http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders19.html).

    Seeing as narcissism and schizophrenia are both affected by the ACC I suspect all these Schizo…. disorders and Narcissism are related. Might just be THAL dysfunction expressed in different ways. Aspies and Autistics seem to be Betas in modern contexts, where’s the other THAL dysfunctions are more Alpha ( or Sigma).

    • Akuma says:

      http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders51.html

      “He doesn’t seem to feel uneasy when I probe into his sex life. He smiles: no, he is not a virgin. He has had sex once with a much older woman who lived across the hall in his apartment block. That was the only time, he found it boring. He prefers to compile computer programs and he makes nice money doing it. Is he a member of a team? He involuntarily recoils: no way! He is his own boss and likes to work alone. He needs his solitude to think and be creative.”

      The Schizoid is the Uber Neanderthal Sigma. It’s a Personality Advantage that the modern environment loathes.

  5. Seven Sigma says:

    The Ultimate Schizoid

  6. Son of Distant Trebizond says:

    Have you ever run game on a girl in the context of a pickup/ to induce attraction, Aeoli? If for no other reason than to confirm for yourself the validity of PUA concepts, I think you’d find it interesting to see for yourself just how procedural a seduction can be. The process of building attraction is autonomic, and generally only needs the right input at the right time, as most women won’t consciously evaluate the situation during the interaction, and probably wouldn’t want to anyway.

  7. Lizard King says:

    Okay, band t-shirt idea…
    Schizoids Anonymous

  8. Akuma says:

    https://www.humblebundle.com/books/win-at-work-books

    Ah snap. It just got normal up in this here neander cave.

  9. Pseudorandom Bypasser says:

    Speaking of conscientiousness, a project suggestion: Start gathering your own comprehensive list of different IQ ranges’ abilities, behaviors and so on. Maybe divide it by different subscales or life areas. You definitely have the knowledge and anecdotes. I already know the Cooijmans and Unz ones.

  10. Ulixes Orobar says:

    MFW (mildly) schizoid…

    :-/

    • bicebicebice says:

      lets not do the “aspies are thals” all over again, its what (((they))) want, see my comment to Lizard King. Did you do the 23andme test, if so, what is yout T score (or the national genographic one)?

      • Ulixes Orobar says:

        I’m not saying that schizoids are thals or that thals are schizoids; I’m saying that I’m mildly schizoid, and I’ve known this for years. I haven’t done any tests for Neanderthal DNA. The guys on the forum typed me as a par-occ dualback with a thallish front, though. (Some say dualback and dualfront.)

  11. Santoculto says:

    In these last days I have had problems in my vision, with nervous tics, difficulty to look at faces and even blurred vision / photosensitivity. Any explanation or emotional cause ?? Excessive stress? Perhaps. However I think the main cause seems to be anatomical. I have a fairly asymmetrical face and I think the part of my face, from the nose to the jaw or mouth, seems to be displaceable. Soon as I shift it, maybe down, I start to get the problems reported. Already when I force the center of my face in my nose, these problems simply end. That’s what just happened. I forced myself for reasons purely not previously thought this part of my face and voila, my problems are over. Now I see everything normal and I do not have nervous tics especially when I’m looking at other people’s faces. Funny that this “new” facial configuration gives me a more serious expression while the facial configuration I was giving me an expression maybe more normal but also sad.

  12. Akuma says:

    Someone done fucked up:

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  14. Supreme Chancellor Boneflour, First Of His Name says:

    It’s interesting that the Schizoid post was the most popular of the three as far as comments go.

  15. K. Schultz says:

    There is nothing inherently wrong with schizoid personality. It is made into a “disorder” because human beings are “social” There is biasedness against people who don’t want to socialize with others. Some just prefer their own company over others. Schizoid Personality disorder should be definitely removed from DSM ( Diagnostic and Statistical Manual).

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