You did ask

In which SirHamster attempts to outsperg a sperg.

Define “left”. Only one possible meaning as used here by Elijah, which must be interpreted as a “direct lie”?

Left active? (true) Left alive? (false) Willing to stand up and prophesy against the king? (true)

Demonstrate that all of the alternatives I suggested are incompatible with the text

Comment on: Elijah lies to Ahab

Left = remaining (ref: https://www.etymonline.com/word/left)

Remain:
“continue to exist, especially after other similar or related people or things have ceased to exist.”
“stay in the place that one has been occupying.”
“continue to possess a particular quality or fulfill a particular role.”
“be left over after others or other parts have been completed, used, or dealt with.”

In every sense, there is the requirement that some proposition P(x) was true and continues to be true for some x in set A. Therefore, if “only” x remains, there is some P such that P(x) was and is true and for all y in A (y != x), P(y) is false or P(y) was false or both.

If P = “active” then P(Elijah) is true but was false. The text explicitly says Elijah had been hiding from Ahab and Jezebel for the last three years prior to this day.

If P = “willing” then, for the same reason, P(Elijah) is true but was false.

The only choices of P are those which would be absurd for Elijah to intend for Ahab to understand, such as P = “not in a cave”. I constructed the argument in this way to head off that entire category of speculation. Well, that and I truly enjoy this kind of thing.

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6 Responses to You did ask

  1. SirHamster says:

    > If P = “active” then P(Elijah) is true but was false. The text explicitly says Elijah had been hiding from Ahab and Jezebel for the last three years prior to this day.

    > If P = “willing” then, for the same reason, P(Elijah) is true but was false.

    True when stated to the crowd is true. To be direct lie, it must be false in all senses, but here you’ve agreed it’s true when using unstated but reasonable implied context. Then it would not be a deception and not be a lie.

    > Well, that and I truly enjoy this kind of thing.

    As do I. Appreciate the good sport.

    Sidenote: Hiding was done on God’s orders. Actively following God’s directions would not detract from prophet status.

    “Then the word of the Lord came to Elijah: “Leave here, turn eastward and hide in the Kerith Ravine,” (1 King 17:2-3)

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      Left = P is AND was true.

      • SirHamster says:

        Last definition for “left” is “be left over after …”

        There is time-variant quality to the word. By definition, “left” has to include was false.

        Ex:
        2 prophets; only one left = false
        5 minutes later, shoot 1 prophet, 1 prophet remains; only one left = true

        Saying it was false in past is insufficient to make statement “only one left” false.

  2. If you’re “technically not lying” but still deceiving somebody, you’re lying.

    • SirHamster says:

      > Be the only prophet of God in front of assembly of all Israel
      > Say that he’s the only prophet of God left
      > Total DECEPTION

      Therefore, Christians need to lie more.

  3. Mycroft Jones says:

    Calling a Gamma a sperg is an insult to spergs.

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