Wherein God endorses the means

Koanic has gone ahead and declared me a heretic, which isn’t very nice. I don’t see him making that criticism of Jim when he talks about following “the will of Gnon”. But it’s also to be expected.

Jehu didn’t lie. He spoke to mislead via ambiguity, as did Jesus, [Ed: this is a straight-up lie, by the way.] albeit with a greater shade of deception than Jesus employed. Furthermore, Jehovah does not endorse Jehu’s means, only his results.

Koanic

Aside from flagrantly lying to make this case (Jehu says “I will worship Baal” which is an untrue statement made purposefully to deceive the priests of Baal so Jehu could murder them), Koanic is making an argument easily debunked by basic Bible literacy.

To make explicit his implication here, Koanic is saying that God would not have endorsed Jehu’s means if he had been asked directly. We have a clear-cut, direct counterexample to this implication:

18 The king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, “Didn’t I tell you that he never prophesies anything good about me, but only bad?”

19 Micaiah continued, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne with all the multitudes of heaven standing around him on his right and on his left. 20 And the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?’

“One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the Lord and said, ‘I will entice him.’

22 “‘By what means?’ the Lord asked.

“‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said.

“‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the Lord. ‘Go and do it.’

23 “So now the Lord has put a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The Lord has decreed disaster for you.”

1 Kings 22

So here we have God endorsing both the means and the end.

Now I expect Koanic will accept the penalty he would apply to heresy, which is the traditional punishment given to people who make false accusations.

The Bible says otherwise. Aeoli is in heresy, and should refrain from commenting on the Bible except in tentative language, as he clearly does not understand it.

If I seem a little blue it’s because I’m holding my breath.

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44 Responses to Wherein God endorses the means

  1. glosoli says:

    >Aside from flagrantly lying to make this case (Jehu says “I will worship Baal” which is an untrue statement made purposefully to deceive the priests of Baal so Jehu could murder them

    >So they (Ed: including Jehu) went in to make sacrifices and burnt offerings.
    >As soon as Jehu had finished making the burnt offering, he ordered the guards and officers: “Go in and kill them; let no one escape.

    Readers must decided if Jehu worshipped Baal. He literally made a burnt offering, so I vote ‘yes he did’.

    I’m no genius, but the evidence seems pretty clear.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      “Ahab served Baal a little; Jehu will serve him much. ”

      >I’m no genius, but the evidence seems pretty clear.

      We agree on that.

      • glosoli says:

        Jehu assembled every single follower to worship Baal. He literally couldn’t have done any more to serve Baal.

        The subsequent righteous slaughter does not alter this fact one iota.

        Perhaps time to stop digging in your hole?

        • Aeoli Pera says:

          >Jehu assembled every single follower to worship Baal. He literally couldn’t have done any more to serve Baal.

          You literally don’t know how words work.

        • Brilliand says:

          I think Jehovah would have had some rather strong objections to Jehu worshiping Baal. Isn’t he a jealous god?

          • Mycroft Jones says:

            Jehovah is jealous, but he has the largest sense of humor in the world. Sacrificing Ba’al’s own priests to Ba’al? Epic.

            • Brilliand says:

              Considering that Baal would not want human sacrifice, let alone the sacrifice of his own priests… Jehovah would not get jealous of *that* at all (and such a massive violation of Baal’s instructions does not count as worshipping Baal, imo). I was thinking more of the burnt offering of the bull, which is a bit more defensible.

            • Mycroft Jones says:

              What are you talking about? Baal was big into human sacrifice, little babies, virgins, adults, all good to him.

            • Brilliand says:

              An inversion. Baal is the one who argued against creating the humans in the first place, but then said that they must be afforded basic rights once the act of creating them had already been done.

              Who was it who permitted the creation of the humans on condition that they be slaves, then became very angry when they were given knowledge?

  2. Mycroft Jones says:

    Koanic didn’t call you a heretic because of your posts about lying. For you to imply that he did is deceptive. He called you a heretic because of other statements you made. That said, I side with your understanding of lying in the Bible. If Jesus told one or two lies for security purposes, that does not at all make Him equivalent to the Father of Lies, who was a murderer from the beginning.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      >Koanic didn’t call you a heretic because of your posts about lying.

      Yes he did. It’s right in the link.

      • Mycroft Jones says:

        I read the link. Koanic said you are in heresy because of your comments about the Bible being a book of laws and guidelines for living. He disagrees with your point about lying, but he didn’t call you a heretic because of it.

      • glosoli says:

        >Aeoli wrote:
        >> Do you accept the Bible as a set of instructions for life and society, or not?
        > No, I don’t.

        The Bible says otherwise. Aeoli is in heresy, and should refrain from commenting on the Bible except in tentative language, as he clearly does not understand it.’

        At this point I suspect Aeoli could argue that black is white, but there’s the labelling of heresy above, crystal clear it relates to Aeoli’s dismissal of the bible, same book he then proceeds to use to try to justify lies.

        Things that make you go hmmm.

        • Aeoli Pera says:

          I’m not dismissing the Bible at all. On the contrary, my contention is that “a set of instructions” only characterizes about 5% of the content.

          • glosoli says:

            >Do you accept the Bible as a set of instructions for life and society, or not?

            >No, I don’t.

            >All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

            >For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.” Rom. 15:4

            Koanic was correct. Note the words: ALL Scripture, and EVERYTHING that was written in the past to teach us.

            Not 5%, all of it, so you disagree with the bible, hence heresy.

            • SirHamster says:

              > >Do you accept the Bible as a set of instructions for life and society, or not?

              > Note the words: ALL Scripture, and EVERYTHING that was written in the past to teach us.

              You are treating “set of instructions” and “having teaching value” as the same concept. I agree with Aeoli’s statement that not all of the Bible is a “set of instructions”. (X begat Y begat Z is not instruction, though it captures teachable history)

            • Mycroft Jones says:

              Let us remember not to feed the Hamster and his continual straw-manning and misinterpretations of what people write.

            • Brilliand says:

              I happen to agree with Hamster this time, though. It’s Glosoli who is strawmanning Aeoli, this time around.

            • Mycroft Jones says:

              Brilliand, until you take a few years out of your life to not only read, but live the Bible instructions, you don’t know whereof you speak. Glosoli isn’t strawmanning Aeoli.

  3. Mycroft Jones says:

    I believe Koanic never called Jim a heretic, because Jim has never claimed to be Christian. Jim is an out and out pagan/atheist who recognizes some value in Christianity.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      Jim is explicitly reinventing Christian doctrines to serve his own ends of sociocultural engineering. The real reason is that Koanic believes it’s healthy to keep some Canaanites around to engage in perpetual warfare.

      • Mycroft Jones says:

        We can’t get rid of the Canaanites at this point, best to have some good quality specimens out in the open we can practice on.

  4. bicebicebice says:

    meanwhile in the real world: https://twitter.com/roblee4/status/1012041265150676996

    have fun being some of the last peeps on earth discussing scripture, churchianist krisstianity moved on, funny how they once said hp was satanic. if sapes occupy enough space that space becomes sape, anyone of you would be excommunicated in a current year church for just citing any bible passage. like that experiment with the chimp and human baby, stronger with lower IQ wins, 99 numeric strength sapes telling the sheperd to leave or get bum rushed, or you whack the entire congregation.

    you are not allowed to be christian in the mainstream organized christian faith. im thinking some churches break off because edenist underlyings, and those ur-race embodiments already exist out there. probably why the kingdom of heaven is a strict monarchy instead of current year theocracys.

    forcing people to be good and forcing people to be civilized are two differnt things.

    • Mycroft Jones says:

      The Puritan settlement of America was very much Thals leaving the Church and settling up little townships and communities. Just like the book of Revelation, the woman fled to the wilderness, but the dragon sent of a flood of waters after her (mass immigration).

      • bicebicebice says:

        Yes, a mini-version of the megafauna disappearing again, a few thals that could have been overrun by the indians, instead gaming all of them taming the land and in the end gaming themselves, the american continent with its natural obstacles rendered not-as-dangerous, was now open for business to become the biggest whore house the world had ever seen, outrivaling the greco-roman degenerate sybarite-bacchanalias.

        Turdea was right, “if you kill your enemies, they win”, some sort of last laugh pyrric victory mumbled into one. Thals are the best battlers on the planet but they can’t win wars, only way to win is to be so boring others stay away from you, like the amish.

        Escpaping in the obvious geographical sense clearly doesn’t work, and with 20-40k christian denominations. Probably why a lot of “christians” would call christ himself the anti-christ, what a tyrant, we need stronk democratic gay-pozz heaven! Vote me god! Its why socialism is godless communism when consensus-democratic majistism can elect a kenyan prostitute to burn down what the thards started. As long as sapes are around and republicucks and civnatcucks and centristcucks and democratcucks and all the current year sjw cuckshit, belives that everyone can do a jerb a pay taxes, itz almost as if the first thals should have allied with the indians to fight off the merchant inclined whites, instead of welcoming more whites sapes, but then they might have run the risk of becoming wild indians and thals never have the numbers needed to hold any ground.

        the sapient IQ is lower than koko the gorilla, why punish them and establish absolute rule just to domesticate them, that is cirkus-tier.

        The sapient trade-off is that sapes do not “destroy” the earth in their natural habitat, terrorizing themselves and being like animals. A good man needs to be civilized, civilizing a sape is like call the hiv virus “yeah that is okay now because there is medicine for that so”.
        “yeah he was a cannibal one week ago but thanks to the miracle of christ he is a good boy now”. we have this line of reasoning in the entire swe society when it comes to ooga boogas, you have it to, it is what the west is today. Puritan way simply whacking them outright.

        the lower the thal scores become the more people will relate to sapes… even the amish with their on paper lifestyle will fail without a eugenics program. You only need a few thards to rasie your society, the smart society will raise the entire population all at once, and evolve so much so even the most hardcore shitlib will call sapes apes in comparison to the T-“virus” ubermensch. The social vacuum without kin will create monsters.
        This is every k-and-in-between-K:
        https://clip2net.com/clip/m197736/337be-clip-119kb.jpg?nocache=1

        Good thing is that these people don’t need billions of people to be happy, but certain types are so successfull they destroy themselves. Itz quite incredible how puritan-preamish thals were the technocrats of that time. Perfection Really is the enemy of good.

  5. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Does anyone around here know who Ba’al was? He as the son Of El and the Canaanite god of weather.

    • Mycroft Jones says:

      Ba’al is simply the Hebrew word “Lord”. Today in Israel men are called Ba’al the way we call a man “Mister”.

      Hosea 2:16 And it shall be at that day, saith Jehovah, that thou shalt call me Ishi (my husband); and shalt call me no more Baal.

      Baal was sort of like Thor.

      • Brilliand says:

        Baal is definitely similar to Thor, but they’re different people: Baal is a brother of Odin (Enlil brother of Ea), whereas Thor is a son of Odin.

        I’m not sure how old Thor is – it’s possible he didn’t even exist during the Israel vs. Baal saga.

        • Brilliand says:

          Okay, the best information I can find is that Thor would have been born circa 1300 BCE (as Hercules), whereas Jehu’s confrontation with the priests of Baal would have occurred circa 800 BCE, so Thor would have at least been alive at that time (though probably with no followers of his own).

    • Brilliand says:

      Yep, you seem to know who he is. The name “Baal” referring to that god is probably a shortened form of the name “Baalzebul” (which the Jews changed to “Baalzebub” as a way of insulting him).

      I prefer to think of him by his Sumerian name “Enlil”.

      • Mycroft Jones says:

        Of course Brilliand. If you are a proper pagan, you understand the war of Inversion between all faiths. Baal-zebul, “lord of the heights” aka “lord of the air” (ring a bell, Christians?) aka “lord of the skies/heavens”. Sounds very poetic. But in Hebrew we say baal-zebub, lord of the flies. Which is a poetic way of saying “steaming pile of cow dung”. And since YHWH is the “bull of Israel”, well, baalzebub is the excrement that YHWH expels. Epic humor. :) Academics call that type of stuff “polemic” in the seminaries.

        • Brilliand says:

          Insulting names aren’t even part of the “war of inversion”. Jehovah calling the Serpent “the Father of Lies, who was a murderer from the beginning”, when both of those descriptions really apply to Jehovah himself… THAT is an inversion.

          (Although, if you read that passage literally, it could actually be Jesus calling Jehovah [Father of the Jews] the liar/murderer… so it’s an inversion that skirts oddly close to the truth. But Jesus is Jehovah’s thing, so we all know not to read him that way.)

  6. Igor Stravinsky says:

    Thank God that this spergathon will finally settle how many angels really can dance on the head of a pin !

    • Mycroft Jones says:

      Next time, don’t feed the Hamster, this is where that sort of thing leads.

    • Mycroft Jones says:

      New rule: never feed a male Hamster. Spin the female hamsters exclusively.

    • bicebicebice says:

      for all the faults of the spergathon, it never discusses how many more sapes we need in the west, unlike the “viable” established vote-for-me establishments “we need to red pill the normies and get the nigger vote on our side in order to win Based!” current year cuckery by cucks.

      It trumps every social issue ever raised: less sapes more win.

  7. Tom Kratman says:

    While I might commend your patience for midwits with pretensions to adequacy, I have to ask, why do you even bother?

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