Discussion re: the cycle and personality types

Just some entertaining dialogue y’all might enjoy.

You need competence at the beginning to build shit such as sewers and roads and governance. ENTPs great at experimenting but need conscientious people to make sure things get done and also don’t catch fire.

Agreed.

I would definitely consider that networking and openness to be their strengths, but I’m having a rough time seeing how that networking/signalling strength then also contributes to functional governance.

See: https://aeolipera.wordpress.com/2018/06/09/mechanics-of-the-pyrrhic-cycle-of-r-k-part-1/. (Referring to the SMV/IEV ratio, which is effectively the same as networking strength.)

They definitely have impetus to experiment and jettison failing systems though. Maybe that’s where r/K hits a switch and affects a difference.

Yup, the main reason ENTPs are useful for breakout is their various “visions”. Many fail, some are successful.

High-risk, high-reward.

Yup.

Definitely low in agreeableness though. That probably mitigates the worst excesses.

Yes. That and the ones whose visions are viable form the new civilizations.

Ah, yes.

But they’re willing to do unconventional things, which is absolutely necessary when the institutions are pathological. The very best networkers are ENFJs. Such people are at their peak effectiveness in the Age of Affluence. We might even break this down into classes.

Period:Aristocrats:Tradesmen:Peasants

Outburst:ENTPs:ISTJs:ISFJs
Commerce:ENTJs:INTJs:ISTPs
Affluence:ENFJs:INFJs:ISFPs?
Decadence:ESTPs:ISFJs:ESFPs

ISTJs seem like mechanics, tinkerers, engineers, accountants, and that sort of thing, though I confess they are a mystery to me.

Imagine a building code auditor who enjoys his work.

Gotcha.

“Why would you ever build a chair with three legs, are you insane? If it’s not illegal, it should be. It’s not right.” An ISTJ collects stamps not because he enjoys it, but because you’re supposed to have a hobby. It’s the rules.

Odious little creatures, aren’t they?

ENTP racism :-). But yeah, I don’t get along with them either. At least they’re introverted and mostly keep to themselves.

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8 Responses to Discussion re: the cycle and personality types

  1. Contaminated NEET says:

    Myers-Briggs is astrology for nerds. You’re giving it way more credit than it merits.

  2. Aeoli Pera says:

    As a rule, when you dismiss a theory you ought to be able to make the strongest possible case in favor of it. Have a shot at it.

  3. Gron says:

    What do you think of ENFP’s?

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      Firstly, I’ve never disagreed with Joe Butt on any single point, so I’d first refer to typelogic.com/enfp.html. Second, Socionics predicts I’ll have a superiority complex re: ENFPs…and the prediction is correct.

      I pity them because, like INTPs, there isn’t a good niche for them to fill outside of the artsy fartsy institutions, and those are entirely converged. The only place left for them is the dumber corners of conspiracy theory YouTube, pattern-matching away into complete nonsense. I think they are also the most likely MBTI type to be Gammas, with INTJs perhaps coming in second.

  4. bicebicebice says:

    Can a Melon span all these personality types, can a thal? My answer is no, my other answer is maybe, my final answer is yes but then it is a watered down creature, some might even say pitiful.

  5. bicebicebice says:

    Derp was supposed to post the second episode not the whole playlist:
    Once upon a time- Man- Neanderthal man- 2

  6. kapy53 says:

    ENFP types are good for massive creative output. It might be sloppy and very rough, but it will definitely be unique. Unless they can strike gold creatively (Mark Twain, Dr. Seuss) they likely will become very bitter and jaded because they can’t share their innerworld with society at large.
    Be careful with not to go Gamma and find a way to be quiet Beta and make your art available for after you’re gone. (if only to motivate yourself)

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