Discussion re: Beta male identity politics, propositions

Effortpost by Septagon, fisked.

Men and women are complementary and asking a women to have the same life path as a man is counter productive, ie anti-life, for the species. They should be counter to each other.

-Septagon
Comment on Beta male identity politics, propositions

I agree but from what value system are you drawing the moral prescription “should”?

. Men should focus on building self and career.

Mostly agree. I think men should focus on developing a legacy, in all senses of the term.

Women should marry young to and older man have kids. Taking advantage of fertility of the woman’s young age and due to the lack of career are home to raise the children. Since the man is older and he career developed he has the means for financial support.

This is a viable plan. I’m not convinced the age gap is necessary but it’s historically sound.

2. After kids are grown women can embark on their careers .

Here I disagree. If they want to self-actualize, let them do so gratis without displacing the economic incentives for men to participate in the dance. If their household is genuinely strapped for cash, then they ought to rely on charity and have fewer children.

3. Young men in the workplace will be less tempted for office affairs with older women around and with most young women tied up with older men, this will give them time to develop mentally, emotionally, and financially.

This is a great insight.

4. Hypergamy moderated by pairing men and women at their peak SMV. Fertility maximized and children benefit from nurturing mother present instead of 20th century inspired industrial babysitting better know as “daycare”.

That’s a good point in favor of your prescribed age gap.

5. The potential downside is the higher possibility of divorce when the woman start actualizing the lives, but since they have already performed their primary function for the species, reproduction, the damage is mitigated.

Why is it necessary to give them space to excel in the male spaces, since we’re talking about a perfect world here? If a post-menopausal woman really, truly wants to write great software there’s nobody stopping her. The answer is in the question–chicks don’t give a shit about the tradeoffs of DIN rail mounting, they just want the IQ prestige associated with the title “engineer”.

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10 Responses to Discussion re: Beta male identity politics, propositions

  1. Telling off women is great. says:

    Ban all women from the workforce.

  2. kapy53 says:

    Honestly I bet the kinds of “jobs” women will do after having children will be the ones they are most arept at, and have done in some form for centuries (they may not have been paid).

    I’m thinking Elementary Education, Nursing (taking care of elderly people with severe disabilities), animal shelters, homemaking crafts (making blankets or dish towels). Women after having children will need something to do, they may get paid but it need not be a lot, a bit to contribute to savings and some classic type “egg money”. If the family is well off then she can focus on charity work.

    What we need to remember about men and women is thus:
    Men NEED something to do
    Women NEED something to love

  3. Aeoli Pera says:

    >Ban all women from the workforce.

    Effectively. In reality there will be edge cases who get around the formal censure, but as a matter of policy this would be a big step toward removing their right to own property.

  4. Aeoli Pera says:

    >Honestly I bet the kinds of “jobs” women will do after having children will be the ones they are most arept at, and have done in some form for centuries (they may not have been paid).

    Some of them are learning from the mistakes of their elder sisters, but if the signal from Command and Control is strong enough to convince 80% of Gen Z to lie to themselves about gender being a spectrum, then it will be necessary to boost the countersignal.

    >What we need to remember about men and women is thus:
    Men NEED something to do
    Women NEED something to love

    Yup, 100%.

  5. Telling off women is great. says:

    “>Ban all women from the workforce.

    Effectively. In reality there will be edge cases who get around the formal censure, but as a matter of policy this would be a big step toward removing their right to own property.”

    The property thing is something they havent figured out yet. Well they have after the divorce proceedings are initiated, but a fatal hole in Feminist and Red Pill logic is ignoring how the Dowry has influenced history.

  6. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    As for banning women from the workplace, we may be on the way to that courtesy of #metoo. Employers are seeing new female hires as a liability that could turn into a huge lawsuit. To add to that, women have to be paid the same as men while they produce less.

  7. Septagon says:

    The moral prescription and value system is drawn from vast and deep well of Occidental history, wisdom and experience. Nothing is new under the sun in the realm of human interaction. The people of the city states of Sumer dealt with the same interpersonal, intersexual problems then as we do today in 21st century USA. Affluence and wealth has enabled, or allowed, society to tolerate suboptimal lifestyles. Pro-life is the prime directive, but establishing top down control of society to achieve that end always results in death and destruction to due to the corruptible nature of man.

    I appreciate the focus on my post. It was based on ideas percolating in my mind recently. My hastily composed comment had led to unproductive discussion regarding women and their life path, careers, and self-actualization. I am dealing with the society as it is. Women are out there. The wealth and affluence of modern society offers them a myriad of life choices previously unavailable to them, and they are going to make them. Tyranny and subjugation is not the solution.

    Society has been disrupted by women trying to follow a life path designed by and for men. The point is for women, IF they are going to have careers, do it later in life. Equality of the sexes is a lie that has resulted in masculine women and feminine men, a barren androgyny. When civilization collapses the traditional role of women and men will re-emerge, but I prefer that we adapt to our new environment and avoid the cycle that has claimed all the great historical civilizations.

  8. i’m really curious about the mechanisms for implementing that

  9. Aeoli Pera says:

    >i’m really curious about the mechanisms for implementing that

    Re: the OP?

  10. Aeoli Pera says:

    I suppose the general answer, in any case, is the same as the requirements to form a breakout nation. Fortune being a bit fickle, if it comes to balkanization it may be something as silly as being the one group that inherits the nuclear football.

    But, the commonsense and somewhat unsatisfactory answer is that the mechanism will follow if a tight-knit, capable, emotionally continent group of men believe it is preferable, their women have no better option available, and they are not wiped out by government, war, famine, etc in the meantime.

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