Kindred nations

Some choice autism by Mycroft (emphasis mine):

Scripture distinguishes between kindred nations, who can gain citizenship after 3 generations, and alien nations, who won’t be citizens even after 10 generations. After looking into the origins of the USA and the British Peoples, I can say that the Boers are a kindred nation. In times ahead, Americans will be fleeing TO them, because it will be much worse here.

How are the Boers a kindred nation? We are all the offspring of Doggerland, genetically close. Norway, Denmark, Western Germany (Saxony), Holland, Frisia, Normandy, Brittany… these are all proper (and historic) members of the British group of nations. The Angles, Saxons and Jutes were Danes. The Frisians and Dutch often crossed the channel, for 300 years Frisia was underwater so they lived in England.

Bavarians are not kindred. Most Spaniards, excepting the remnant of the Visigoths, are not kindred.

Julias Caesar labelled the British people the “Belgae”. Common language, common genetics. Yes, they are distinct nations. Even brothers must live in separate houses, and have separate wives and families. But they are still brothers, closer to each other than cousins, definitely closer to each other than aliens.

HBDChick and Jayman have a lot of good information about the European peoples.

-Mycroft Jones
Comment on Generation Clocktower

I looked it up and found Deuteronomy 23, which also especially bans the children of Canaanite miscegenists (descendants of forbidden marriages). One quibble is that the “kindred” nations includes Egyptians specifically due to their historical charity toward Israel, not due to shared blood.

We are also taking entry into the assembly of the Lord as being interchangeable with citizenship but this is likely a justifiable substitution (this may require quite a bit of sperging). I’m still not a dominionist because we’re allowed to eat pork and our fidelity to the kingdom of heaven is only concerned with earthly things like good parenting, statesmanship, and politics insofar as, ultimately, these are expressions of that fidelity. But I do believe Christians ought to internalize the principles of the Mosaic law, like sanitary practices to avoid e.g. salmonella and HIV, and practice the spirit of the law to the letter (so to speak).

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7 Responses to Kindred nations

  1. Mycroft Jones says:

    In regards to Egypt Aeoli, I would point you to the “great mixed multitude” that went up out of Egypt with Israel. Joseph married an Egyptian wife (Asenath, the daughter of Potipherah, the high priest of Heliopolis), and her two sons became the tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh. So, in a very real sense, the Egyptians were kindred. As were the Syrians, since Abraham himself was a Syrian, and sent back to Syria for wives for his sons until the tribe was big enough to sustain itself. Ephraim and Manasseh were formed the bulk of the population of Israel, followed by Judah. According to Josephus the tribe of Judah in later years conquered Edom then intermarried. Amalek was a subset of Edom, so marrying an Edomite was not wrong in the way that marrying an Amalekite would have been.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      You’re absolutely right, and it would be a historical anomaly to put two peoples together like that without some mixing. But when I say “explicitly” I mean the reason given.

  2. Mycroft Jones says:

    As for “entry into the assembly”, I meditated on that one for many years, and looked at all the details I could find. It clearly wasn’t talking about going to church on Sunday and hearing the preacher. The Old Testament has examples of foreigners attending such educational services. Other parts give you a better picture. The assembly is the assembly of elders. The political leaders, the judges at the gates, and the land owners. Entry into the assembly entailed these rights:

    0) to own or inherit land
    1) to vote
    2) to be elected for office (legislature or judicial)

    Election was also restricted only to those with skin in the game. The restriction about a man “not having his stones crushed or member cut off” didn’t mean he had to drop his pants to prove his bona fides. No, he just had to show up with a wife and children that were clearly his own. Skin in the game. No skin in the game, no voting, no standing for office,

    Notice I omitted the executive branch. The executive branch was regulated by the legislature (council of village elders) and the judiciary (the appointed judges), and the church (the High Priest and his Levites). The executive branch was more about “Johnny on the spot” handling emergencies. For that, you want the best talent, no matter what their race or gender. Hence, Judge Jephthah, and Uriah the Hittite. But neither one of these men left offspring in Israel’s genetic pool. Something to keep in mind.

  3. Mycroft Jones says:

    If you look at how ‘A mother in Israel’ was considered a high title, it seems a woman also could enter the assembly if she had children, as demonstrated by Judge Deborah. But only if she did it in a legitimate marriage. She couldn’t become a single mom just to vote or hold office. That was classed as whoredom.

  4. Mycroft Jones says:

    As for a history of charity, the Dutch (and therefore the Protestant Boers) were a place of refuge for those British who abandoned Papism. Holland and sons have a history of charity to the British peoples. We should be charitable to them.

  5. Cynic In Chief says:

    Mosiac Law has been fulfilled and is no longer the prescriptive law of God, but that doesn’t mean it no longer has any good ideas. Christianity was designed to flow into whatever government was already there, the New Testament offers little advice on how to structure a Christian government. The Old Testament was written for the Jews, but the concepts can be adapted along with Spirit-guided reasoning to create a government that can be better than others (there is no perfect government, there rarely is a good one). The idea on kindred nations is applicable and can be helpful in dealing with some of the problems we are having right now with immigration. It certainly can’t be worse than what we have now.

  6. Julian says:

    >Most Spaniards, excepting the remnant of the Visigoths, are not kindred.

    I wouldn’t put any Spaniards on that list, and I’m one of them. Even Asturians, my crew, who probably have more Visigoth blood than any other Spanish tribe, are mongrels ultimately. I might be wrong but don’t Goths originally come from Gotland (baltic)? If that’s the case, I wouldn’t put pure Visigoths on the kindred nations list either.

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