Technical honesty

tl;dr- Technical honesty is pacifism for cold wars.

I thought of a good way to explain this. People who believe it’s good to deceive people while being “technically” honest are like pacifists who believe you shouldn’t hurt a person under any circumstance but are totally fine with putting them in a prison cell without food or water until they die (“I didn’t kill them, it was natural causes”). Another example would be people who don’t believe in capital punishment, but will put Tommy Robinson in a Muslim cell with the expectation that he’ll be killed extrajudicially. In the same way, telling your spies and intelligence agents while fighting a cold war that everything they say must be technically true, or at least some sort of pun like Koanic’s “grim humor” exception, imposes an extreme cognitive burden on people who are engaged in constant deception.

“Are you a spy?”
“Umm…” *internal Talmudism intensifies*
“Well?”
“…no…(ish)” whispers to self: “if by “spy” you mean the original sense of one who watches stealthily when I’m obviously right here in front of you, and if you meant otherwise I certainly can’t be held responsible for the misunderstanding, no jury would convict me…”
“Yeah, no, you’re a spy. Welcome to your new life in the torture chamber!”

That’s like requiring your soldiers to only hit enemies with bankshots and not *directly* shoot anybody. You can see this attitude particularly in the crowd which says “free speech doesn’t mean free from consequences”, effectively meaning unprincipled exceptions have become the rule. But because large-scale action requires large-scale communication, you can’t fight a war based on unprincipled exceptions (which is anti-communication). This would be like an army of pacifists where the rule of engagement is that bullets may only strike the enemy “accidentally”. Incidentally, this is what Muslims actually believe because “Inshallah” leads, logically, to the spray-and-pray style of shooting. When Muslims take aim this is an unprincipled exception to their beliefs.

The common sense answer really does work here. God says he hates lies, but he also says he hates violence. But more than either of those, I think he hates when technical fidelity is used to mask de facto infidelity. So I believe we should use the same rules of engagement for deception and violence.

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12 Responses to Technical honesty

  1. aiaslives says:

    There’s more to this — letting bad things happen because of voluntary context reduction about said problem when the odds are known can be just as bad but is morally ambiguous to the point where a even a perfect character witness might not be enough to rule out possible foul play. Only the person himself can judge.

  2. bicebicebice says:

    Well itz settled then, Treestumper “bore people to death” by day, Batman by night, lest we become lukewarm normalfags.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      >Well itz settled then, Treestumper “bore people to death” by day, Batman by night, lest we become lukewarm normalfags.

      That’s how insurgency works. It’s no good for a conquered nation to pretend they are not under occupation. Should a slave abandon his family because they’re to weak to escape with him? I’d say sometimes yes, but also sometimes no.

  3. aiaslives says:

    Being honest, then, boils down to:
    – (honestly) collecting information,
    – (honestly) applying it to the context to (honestly) modify it,
    – (honestly) judging the situation after
    all of which should be done to the best of one’s intellectual/physical capacity. Hence material evidence, even if wrong, trumps an intellectual theory, and also why being a honest pioneer means you get stoned first.

    Also theoretically, perfect honesty = perfect morality, but that’s another rabbithole.

  4. bicebicebice says:

    October 4, 2018 at 6:13 pm
    >Well itz settled then, Treestumper “bore people to death” by day, Batman by night, lest we become lukewarm normalfags.

    That’s how insurgency works. It’s no good for a conquered nation to pretend they are not under occupation. Should a slave abandon his family because they’re to weak to escape with him? I’d say sometimes yes, but also sometimes no.

    ——

    Here is the most mature thing I said; the paper-plan on point 90minute pitched battleist stronk alpha males have no intention of grinding it out in the public screwl system, 90% staffed by wahmen and soyboys. The only solution to this is that Megacorp INC starts their own schoolsystems from bottom to top, craddle to the grave style. Or the military takes over every fucking public school (itz already gladiator school and vox is wrong on bullying).

    If it was anything but this that was the problem it could be solved in a week, but this is a take and hold scenario armchair autistés are not willing to fight. Ironically, it is also the only arena in the entire fahking world where you can unleash your creative endeavors for the future of western civilization if so only because nobody gives a shit about what you do with the chillums for 9 years. White Western standardized schooling turned me into a Christian, the opposite in the current year is unfortunately also true.

    “do away with school” heh well many white chillums already bailed, but what can you do as an 11 year old something instead with your time? In Sweden you have to be 15 to live entirely on your own and you can get a job to like Mcdonalds 100% legit, I think that will become popular again, while in Americana you have to be 21 to drink a beer.

    Itz really a problem. Go Team Treestump!

  5. Contaminated NEET says:

    If you’re going to lie, just lie. Using your own private definitions without clarifying them for your audience is for NYT and NPR fags… Although, come to think of it, NYT and NPR fags are our lords and masters, so maybe we ought to learn from them.

  6. SirHamster says:

    > Using your own private definitions without clarifying them for your audience is for NYT and NPR fags…

    Using common well-known definitions and still deceiving said audience is top-kek trolling.

  7. Contaminated NEET says:

    It’s really not. That’s fat IT man humor.

  8. Just Call Me Fishmail says:

    “Are you a spy?”

    “Are you hiring? I already have work in another field.”

    Nobody ever asks spies whether they’re spies: it’s generally a sign of desperation as well as an indication that the questioner doesn’t have a competent counter-intelligence organisation to rely upon for training.

    So you may as well ask whether they’re hiring if it ever comes up. [laugh]

    Perhaps you are confused about the policy of truth, and perhaps you are so confused that you need to hear the advice regarding the policy of truth a second time.

    Insofar as the pomp and circumstance of these absurd theatricals goes, in which Agent X who is Protecting The Realm accuses Person Y of Alliance A, Behaviour B, or Conspiracy C, and quite possibly all of these, with no evidence to support the line of questioning, this generally does more harm than good, especially when it comes to good will.

    Your putative God comes to us in the form of Dostoevsky’s “Grand Inquisitor”, a well-meaning idiot who doesn’t have a clue about how to protect the realm he wishes to protect.

    Does it matter whether God is actually competent? If it does, then it matters greatly that your putative God acts like a “Grand Inquisitor” who will inevitably rack up more enemies than converts, and it also matters greatly where such a “Grand Inquisitor” came from.

    We’d ask you to come clean on this matter, but it’s up to you to decide whether you should faithfully pursue the policy of truth …

    Are you a spy? [chuckle]

    NO NO NO DON’T ANSWER THAT … your squirming in place is comedy enough! :-)

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