Cultural psychotherapy, mass countertransference, and Jordan Peterson

I was reflecting on possible solutions to the problem raised in the previous post and came to the conclusion that this might be a case of the solution being worse than the cure. Cultural psychotherapy, the fine-tuned use of psychotherapeutical techniques in propaganda to induce psychological transformations in practically unlimited masses of people, would be a weapon too dangerous to exist. Even planting the idea by naming it publicly might be a risk. Megalomaniacal social engineers of all sorts would be attracted to the promise of such an idea for realizing their various personal utopian visions, and no taxpayer dollar would be spared in its development.

Then I realized this already exists, and it’s been going on for years. Take Citizen Kane as an early example, followed by the finely tuned creations of Mr. Disney for an audience of young children. As Camille Paglia says, the 60s weren’t about hedonism. They were about Jung, and only devolved into hedonism as the breakout subculture assimilated the masses. The origin of hippies taking drugs, having sex, and general degeneracy was about intellectuals exploring the Shadow through its projections in altered states of consciousness, hoping to accomodate their Shadows and integrate their personalities to create a New Man. This naturalistic, materialistic, deterministic brand of Luciferianism is the mythos of Jungian paganism which I’ve railed against as the resurgence of Zodiacism from a secular ideological substrate.

This put me in mind of Jung’s psychopathic use of countertransference to make his patients fall in love with him so he could abuse them continually, like a vampire, for sexual and material gratification.

Let us now contrast Newton with Jung. Carl Jung is unusual among probable-geniuses, in that he was dishonest about his own work and its implications.

That Jung was a near-genius we think is correct; he made numerous discoveries and conceptual breakthroughs – and he is an unseen but pervasive influence behind vast areas of modern culture including psychology, psychiatry, therapy and (especially) that vast and vague phenomenon called the New Age movement (almost everything about the New Age has a Jungian lineage – even when this is not generally known or acknowledged).

But that Jung was a thoroughly-dishonest and deceptive man is something equally undeniable. Jung was never plain and honest when that was inexpedient – Jung was not driven by a pure pursuit of truth; because truth was readily and repeatedly sacrificed when the consequences were unwanted by Jung. (Eysenck regarded lying as typical of the high Psychoticism personality.)

He craved respectability as a Professor, psychiatrist, scholar, scientist – and would trim his published views to ensure this. He wanted wealth, status, admiration – and patients were charmed, seduced, strung-along and generally exploited to ensure this. Jung wanted to be regarded as an unworldly sage – but worked to create an organization dedicated to his own self-promotion. He apparently had many sexual relationships with his patients and trainees right into old age; and had a long-term live-in mistress who functioned as a second wife (while being unmentioned in his autobiography – he also used his personal magnetism to maintain a household of handmaidens to dote upon and serve him).

The point is that Jung’s many compromises, deceptions, evasions, and lies are so consistently dedicated to his own comfort, convenience and gratification that the picture is one of a highly charming and dominant; but heartless, manipulative and selfish psychopath – typical traits of high Psychoticism, but which interfere with creative achievement. Furthermore, Jung experienced a significant psychotic episode (his ‘confrontation with the unconscious, from 1913) characterized by hallucinations and probably delusions.

In sum, Jung – like Newton – exhibited some aspects of the dark side of Psychoticism.
Jung is, in several respects, the precursor of the postmodern intellectual – the ‘clever silly’ who espouses an illogical, incoherent, dogmatic, opaquely expressed, and overly complex idea. Doing this helps him to display his intelligence – because the idea is complex and hard to understand, making him seem profound to silly or emotional people – even if the idea is nonsense on closer inspection. Also, if the idea gives people hope, then he will come across as altruistic, further boosting his status.[72]

But this could be put aside as mere hypocrisy – and that is something of which we are all guilty (it would be hypocritical to pretend otherwise). But Jung’s dishonesty went even deeper than that, to invade his primary achievement. Because Jung’s work is incoherent at the very deepest level – and this incoherence has afflicted his legacy. And this incoherence was not the result of confusion, but the result of dishonesty.

An example is the idea of synchronicity; which has become an extremely influential cultural idea, as a buzz-word and a vague concept – but which was deployed by Jung in a way that makes no sense. And this incoherence is not due to misunderstanding Jung, but comes directly from Jung’s written contradictory accounts and evasions of the implications of his own insight.

” British philosopher Colin Wilson (1931-2013) exposed this in his marvellously insightful short study: Lord of the Underworld: Jung and the Twentieth Century (1984); especially the chapter “The Sage of Kusnacht”, where Wilson goes through the writings on synchronicity with a fine-toothed comb, and tries to pin down what Jung really believed, or meant – and comes up against a mass of obfuscation and self-refutation: of giving with one hand and taking back with the other.[73]
This kind of contradiction and vagueness vitiates Jung’s legacy and is a direct consequence of his mixed motivations. It demonstrates that genius depends on dedication to the work, and any failures in this regard will detract from the level of achievement.

Jung’s last recorded words from his death bed seem appropriate: ‘Let’s have a really good red wine tonight.’ The final statement of a man whose personal gifts were astonishingly great – but who consistently and successfully deployed them for his own comfort, convenience and glory.

-Bruce Charlton
The Genius Famine

If Jung was deliberately using countertransference for self-gratification this early in its conceptual development, then it stands to reason that early scientific propaganda theorists like Bernays would have been aware of it. This means that the infantilization of the West could be explained by intentional mass countertransference propaganda, where Harry Potter is merely the most obvious example, and this was likely subsidized by fiat currency to create a vicious cycle. (This would contrast with what I would consider unintentional cultural psychotherapy like The Count of Monte Cristo for Omegas, Crime and Punishment for Gammas, the hero’s journey for Deltas, or the behelit myth for Alphas.)

This brings me to Jordan Peterson, b
Being a megalomaniac, he would be drawn to the practice of cultural psychotherapy in order to gratify his unquenchable need to be loved (ref: Citizen Kane link above). He would have been trained NOT to do so in the context of psychotherapy, and I think this repression fueled his obsessions with Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, and the mechanics of demagoguery. In order to rationalize its use in mass countertransference and still feel like a good person, he fixated upon

1) moral pragmatism, which gave him permission to ignore the moral injunction against using thr expedient of psychotherapeutic training for utopian political ends,

2) the Jungian imperative to accomodate his Shadow, which produced the dark endogenous personality traits which enable his intellectual performance art (and, curiously, failed to produce genius in combination with his high IQ), and

3) the prevailing epistemology of social Darwinism, which positioned him as the hyperverbal personification of male hierarchies (i.e. YouTube dad) and reified him as the avatar of, ironically, the Nietzschean ideology of sociosexual “dominance of the fittest”.

Think about the way he describes fixating on Hitler’s use of mirroring to produce countertransference in crowds and thus the monstrosities of total war. And think about his refrain to “become a little bit of a monster”. He thinks Hitler was a monster, you know. That’s right, Jordan Peterson is trying his damnedest to be, literally, Hitler. If you look outward from earth into the night sky and mistake the constellations for projections of your personality, then you have inverted heaven and earth and mistaken what is outside you for what is inside you (i.e. God is within, metaphorically). And you will find the void of space does indeed stare back. This projection is the basis of astrology and thus Zodiacism.

Every step in this process is a materialistically predetermined consequence of starting with the premise “God is within”. Luciferianism is Americanism is the health and wealth gospel is Jungianism is social Darwinism is atheism is rebellion is the default human condition, properly understood. This is why Vox’s Q-posting on the subject was so annoyingly facile (Toronto, Breendoggle, 33rd parallel…connect the dots, patriots). You don’t need to be a pedophile to become a Luciferian. Hell, you don’t even need to be an American. You just need to give your wicked heart permission to follow the logic to its lowest energy state.

This is also, incidentally, why Christianity can never serve as a civil religion. It is profoundly counterintuitive at the deepest level, and thus can’t be used to appeal to the most basic desire of the human heart to be a god unto oneself. If it’s worldly success you want, emulate the fallen angel of truth and beauty and reify the Lightbringer within, or GTFO. If you want to imitate Jesus just be aware you’re not going to be a conquering king, you’re going to get crucified.

Next time: why Amoral Egoistic Christianity is Satanism.

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19 Responses to Cultural psychotherapy, mass countertransference, and Jordan Peterson

  1. bicebicebice says:


    “Support in what?” is the first thing that pops into my mind. Current year e-celeb “owning” talking heads on morning sofas? Boil it down and whats really left? A lobster? At least Tex taught me to unironically trust your gut instinct (second brain) and test your spit if you still don’t believe. Maybe Heaven is full of extinct hominoids waiting to come back and materialize through our bodies so to speak with climbing T-scores? Like an alien through the chest cavity.

    If you are a cromag you would love something called the bronze age mindset and larp as a spartan, and if you have basic Edenism knowledge you know why certain people will be attracted to it. Liking Edenism is a strange thing to say just like saying “I like the bible” or “I like jesus” or “i like god”, nobody in their right mind would like the talmud or quoran but know what they believe helps with navigating society in general, none of all mentioned is either for women nor children and I would argue most men. This new age woo and false religions offers fake salvation with no responsibility, sort of like saying you moved out from your parents but live in the garage.

    Understand is a better word than like. Or all bets are off and heaven is full of chimps and gorillaz and hell is full of sapes and neaderthals, the evil big apes. Big up!

  2. bicebicebice says: this is what you are “mad” at (because it does not work). These people have adapted to women instead of the other way around, and if you are a little gay soon you will end up totally pozzed. The only thing they plan their lives around is the source of their souci, instead of coming to a final concluscion such as banning e-thotery like the based brittish, or just steamrolling any kvetching irregardless of kvetcher in the current year (like the white western man always did). They can consider themselves breed mice eating cheddar but if you kowtow to women you are still vermin. Remember how to kill an infant? No stimuli given on your part, no attention, no admittance of that persons very existence.
    This is why nothing will materialize as a movement from the internet, peterstein got shotdown as soon as he appeared irl, even if it took a year. Only based boomers can hold a tea-party, and tea parties are for little girls. Real revolution can only be done by real White Men, and only autistic people, thallish people, northern european man possess that kind of ice cold mindset one needs in harsh climates, harsch times. You Greate Lake-oid americanos once came from here you know. However, most other whiteoids have just monetized and turned into a career collapsing society and picking the shitberries from the debris, and now they already have the money and care even less about the final outcome. There is no one movement but movements, and very few people actually are sincere in turning the western clock back to 1950 (with video games of course).
    The carpet lickers however won’t fight such a person but they won’t care about the final outcome because they already cashed in and more downfall of society is just more views clicks and heehum hoo-ing.

    In this society of sinners, itz all about throwing the last stone not the first. That way you get to live and take out all opposition. White sharia now or the TQ. Your move white man.

  3. Jordy LaFrog Peterson's Fully Automated Mecha-Dragonslayer says:

    Jordan Peterson taught me how to wash my penis, OK? So, why don’t you think about that before you go and criticize him?
    *sigh* I need a new fake name.

  4. Julian says:

    >”Support in what?”

    I think he’s referring to his support for Peterson during the hiring process at the University of Toronto.

    > Understand is a better word than like.

    I “like” the original post. Do something about it :P

  5. Julian says:

    Maybe the whole point of the “IDW” is cultural psychotherapy via integration of the shadow. Bret Weinstein helps Peterson make the leap to NEW RELIGION by making a Darwinian argument for religion (one I don’t necessarily disagree with) and then saying we have to realize we ARE naturally volkisch and tribal, that this behavior is mediated by selfish genes, that to overcome muh racism we must embrace the beast within, and, finally, the new religion of “metaphorical but not literal truths” will lead to our eternal salvation by making us good goys who embrace diversity. If you can stomach it, the debate between Dawkins and Weinstein was e n l i g h t e n i n g.

  6. bicebicebice says:

    “>”Support in what?”

    I think he’s referring to his support for Peterson during the hiring process at the University of Toronto.”

    Fair enough, but “principles” is thard territory when you factor in that canada is a pozzed shithole who surrendered themselves willingy to the chinses and weird paki/indian hybrids. Why is it anyones business that some canadian encountered trouble in globohomotopa and feminist structures the canadians want? Who is the next “victim” who can be a psuedo e-celeb? How is any area where people live improved by spending lets say 100 hours and bookmoney in “supporting” that canadian?!? When people force themselves on you and you start to “MUH DIALOGUE/DISCUSSION”, one sounds like the feminist-vegan soyboys themselves. They already decided to fuck you and if you dont fuck back you are weak and will submit. “Let’s discuss my options” as if someone is signing a treaty of conditional surrender (itz unconditional).
    If peterstein was real he would have firebombed the university with as many shitlibs possible inside it at the time. Majority rightoids are just sapes inject with +1 SD.

    How many times must we repeat this process? That is my general sentiment regarding every e-celeb being “based” and “owning” some talking heads in a 5 minute best of youtbe interview or 30seconds clip on shitter. On the other hand, this is the best the internet can offer.
    Another win for TQ.

    “Maybe the whole point of the “IDW” is cultural psychotherapy via integration of the shadow. Bret Weinstein helps Peterson make the leap to NEW RELIGION by making a Darwinian argument for religion (one I don’t necessarily disagree with) and then saying we have to realize we ARE naturally volkisch and tribal, that this behavior is mediated by selfish genes, that to overcome muh racism we must embrace the beast within, and, finally, the new religion of “metaphorical but not literal truths” will lead to our eternal salvation by making us good goys who embrace diversity. If you can stomach it, the debate between Dawkins and Weinstein was e n l i g h t e n i n g.”

    Centrism is the new atheist movement with paganism mixed in for good measure. I give it another 5 year tops.

  7. Obadiah says:

    I have resigned myself to the fact that I am going to have to produce a Plinkett-style video explaining that Carl Jung being a shitty person *does not* preclude him from being a genius–he was not only a bona-fide genius, but perhaps one of the more significant ones of the first half of the previous century; in my opinion the only person who approaches Jung in terms of contributions to psychology is Freud.

    Satan was the strongest, fastest, smartest, most gifted, most talented angel in heaven–and also a shitty person.

    Mind you this video will probably have to come after the one where I nuke the Denisovan-Unified-Mound-Building theory.

  8. Obadiah says:

    You wake up and need to drive to work but your car won’t start and so you are forced to borrow your roommate’s vehicle. You get in and start driving and you immediately start noticing things about your roommate’s car that are different, most of them unpleasant: there’s a big crack in the windshield. A strange, unpleasant smell is wafting from the air conditioner. Three of the four wheels are missing hubcaps. There are weird stains and cigarette burns all over the seats; the floor is covered in trash. The muffler not only rattles like a bat out of hell but also belches black clouds of exhaust every fifteen seconds or so.

    Overall, your roommate’s car is, cosmetically, a bit of a shitwagon compared to yours, which you make a point of keeping pretty, neat, clean and presentable. It has a lot of ugly and upsetting things about it that you find more than a little bit offensive; it does a bunch of stuff that you could frankly do without and has a bunch of weird and even downright nasty tics, twitches and tendencies.

    However, each time you drove your roommate’s ugly little car you arrived at work 15 minutes early every day with no mechanical or automotive problems to speak of.

  9. Obadiah says:

    Mind you, you may have contracted a rare, exotic, and possibly terminal disease from driving your roommate’s car.

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