More on the question of tithing

Arakawa comments on cucked tithing:

The tithing thing really needs figuring out. A functioning man is a surplus economic producer. That surplus is represented by money. Not everyone can spend that money on family. Not all of the money that people typically spend on family is righteous (in an economically hot region, is it really righteous to hand a 15x yearly income to usurers for the satisfaction living in a McMansion & commuting uphill both ways?). Giving away that money without accomplishing the equivalent of setting it on fire or worse has been made hella difficult. Keeping that money is the subject of strict Gospel admonitions. Whether the camel is a drooling desert-dwelling mammal or a large cable, either way it’s difficult to shove it through that needle.
The rule used to be give to one who asks. The only people you regularly encounter asking for money are tentacular charity orgs and panhandlers. You can do violence unto the self and give to the undeserving and panhandlers, considering that it may be better to give to one who asks and let God judge if they use it imprudently*. Ultimately you cannot tell what will make a difference. But you are not going to give away a tithe that way even if you practice non-judgement even on the most obnoxious cases.

  • Historical beggars were not exactly upstanding either. But all this also depends on being in a locality where there aren’t predatory groups who are panhandling to identify a mark for mugging / pickpocketing. Nonjudgment means you have the luxury to waste money; but if the consequence of wasting money is getting mugged, you no longer have that luxury. And there’s a limit to how much you can assume good behaviour from tentacular charity orgs that are often political money laundering or someone’s “eugenics” pet project.

But the person in this world who is your neighbour and truly poor is the guy who is on antidepressants, his existence nominally funded but every aspect of that existence calculated by demonic forces to drive him to despair. You can’t solve his problems by handing over some money.

It’s not as difficult a question as it seems, but you have to strip away a couple of misconceptions.

1. Charity does not mean giving people what they want, it means giving them what they need. What they want will often destroy them (e.g. giving money to an alcoholic).

2. There are things people need other than money which you can give them. In a post-scarcity world, that is more likely to take the form of a firm pimp hand than a loaf of bread, and I say this without a hint of irony.

3. Filling needs requires real empathy for those needs, which means you need an intimate familiarity with an individual’s suffering. Foreign aid is pathological altruism because giving things to people you’ve never even met does more harm than good.

Surplus producers are by nature extraordinary—only about 20% of the population has positive economic value to the people around them. That means they are the natural aristocrats who are responsible for shepherding the sheep around them, who understand little and know less. As Patton pointed out, exceptional people know they’re exceptional and tend to be prima donas who want to be treated like special snowflakes all the time, but there’s a catch to this which I’ll explain in a moment.

Similarly, the working classes crave dignity because that’s exactly what their wage slavery takes away from them.

We do not work this thing for Feisal.

No? For the English, then?

For the Arabs.

The Arabs. The Howitat, Ajili, Rala, Beni
Saha; these I know, I have even heard of
the Harif, but the Arabs! What tribe is

They’re a tribe of slaves; they serve the

Well, they are nothing to me. My tribe is
the Howitat…

Who work only for profit.

Who work at Auda’s pleasure.

And Auda’s pleasure is to serve the

Serve. I serve?

It is the servant who takes money.

There’s an implicit deal between master and man. The master takes final authority for all decisions and by extension is accountable for all the final results, no matter the root cause. The man takes orders and is responsible only for what he was told to do, and when his shift is over he cares not a whit whether the bottom line was achieved—it’s the master’s business to turn a profit, arrange for infrastructure maintenance, police the borders, and all the other big picture intangibles.

Thus, there’s a specialization of labor: the rich man thinks, the poor man works. The poor man must be given his dignity as trade for competence, and the rich man must be given prestige as equal trade for his responsibility. However, this arrangement only works if both sides honor the arrangement. The rich man must train the poor man properly or he won’t be competent to receive his dignity, and the poor man must carry out the rich man’s orders even if he disagrees, or the rich man can’t be held to account for the outcomes of his decisions.

A man who craves distinction must distinguish himself through suffering because only people who have suffered know how to be kind to others. This is the true nature of leadership: you must have extraordinary talent, you must nurture your capacity to suffer in general, and you must become familiar with the real problems your people face in their daily lives so you can actually get them solved. That’s how you achieve a greater vision. Because a great vision is, after all, just knowing what you want, wanting it very badly, and not having it.

Therefore charity is a great deal bigger than giving money to poor people, although that’s part of it. Charity means paying into the system as your rank demands: dignity through competence and distinction through hardship. This is the long explanation for why I originally said:

Normally I’d tell you to continue regardless of mere disagreements, because that’s the place of a layperson. However, we cannot ignore that the seminaries have been weaponized against us in the culture war and the would-be shepherds are, in the best case, themselves sheep without shepherds. In the worst case, they are wolves in shepherds’ clothing.

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9 Responses to More on the question of tithing

  1. Heaviside says:

    >Not everyone can spend that money on family.

    There are these things called “trust funds”. If for some insane reason you really are worried about leaving too much to your kids then have more kids.

  2. cynicinchief says:

    Hey, check your Skype. I’ll be in town this weekend.

  3. mobiuswolf says:

    Well, that sheds a different light. I shirked, and if you don’t take charge, they wander off looking for someone who will.

    A shirker! I always knew it.
    LOL “If you were so smart, you’d be giving orders!”

    It’s good to be back. I’m starving.

  4. Aeoli Pera says:

    >There are these things called “trust funds”. If for some insane reason you really are worried about leaving too much to your kids then have more kids.

    Exceptional people have recently been overly gnostic in attributing their exceptionalism to virtues other than winning the genetic lottery. If they can be taught that parenting is 70% genetics and 30% attendance, they could be persuaded to have more children.

  5. Aeoli Pera says:

    >Hey, check your Skype. I’ll be in town this weekend.

    Done, see you tomorrow.

  6. Aeoli Pera says:

    >I shirked, and if you don’t take charge, they wander off looking for someone who will.

    Precisely. This is also why individualism has killed the church: the extraordinary people who would have been elders didn’t understand that suffering is part of the curse of exceptionalism. The loneliness of the IQ communication gap is just one example.

  7. Heaviside says:

    >If they can be taught that parenting is 70% genetics and 30% attendance, they could be persuaded to have more children.

    Or you could pay them more.

  8. bicebicebice says:

    the church is dead, just like turning on the tv is braindead you gotta zap to get to the good content or the good place generally speaking. WHICH is not new, the tithe in the olden days was spread in that community (never mind siphoning for the kangs and crusaders and jews). If i pay my automated swedish church tax nothing is spent in my community it goes straight to hell and satan. that is a problem. that an also easily be changed, but only if the church is autonomous.

    “that is more likely to take the form of a firm pimp hand than a loaf of bread, and I say this without a hint of irony.” when crom happy he beat when crom sad he beat, a cat plays with a mouse to see if the catch is fighting back that means it is alive and not rotten and ill.things will be so comfy in the automtated future we will become cannibal rapists shrouded in cybernetic-gear living in multitopia, the last and final value is real human value, cromthugging is primitive but it serves a purpose.

    the organic idiot vs the artifical intelligence´

    som REAL nice poasting lately itz almost as if it is Christmas and there is no such thing as the end of the world only the end of faith (hope/humanity tandem).

  9. Obadiah says:

    I know these feels.

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