Boneflour returns to the Discord to procrastinate and chew bubblegum, and he hasn’t made it to the corner store yet to buy more bubblegum. Copy/pasted with minimal editing.
re: the Taleb IQ stuff
really weird place to die on, and now Teleb, the dude coining the term Intellectual Yet Idiot to describe people with degrees and real-world experience, is telling people “You’re a scholar, not a crank. Don’t talk to Molyneux, man.”
The other side of this is I have been away from Twitter, from majority of daily news, from internet dramas, from movie reviews, from even most video games
and didn’t miss a dman thing
Exactly 0 things in my life were affected by the govt shutdown except now even my grandma who hates politics has an opinion on The Wall
Wormpoasting may be fake, but not all of Fox News is.
Sailer made the point that Moneyball and the entire sabermetrics field was an excuse to get cushy office jobs in baseball
conspicuously not noticing rampant steroid abuse or including in their calculations meant they were ready for prime time
Turns out the entire point of ‘evidence based baseball’ was to get a different set of good enough fakers into recruitment gigs. Not actually doing their stated job ( AKA noticing hidden factors that reveal overperforming athletes AKA shoulda had a roids category) let them do their real job (AKA giving the sham a fresh coat of ‘SCIENCE’ colored paint and not rocking the boat too hard)
I think Spandrell made the point that Taleb’s Black Swan idea is actually a great cover for bankers and the govt. The Sailer conspiracy theory that govt giving massive loans to mexicans with high default rates created a predictable asset bubble and crash is something no one really wants to talk about.
“What do you mean, the govt created an asset bubble by destroying banks that didn’t enthusiastically lend credit to irresponsible minorities? Nah man, it was a Black Swan. Tail risk, man.”
What if the entire persona of Taleb is just a costume so the dude can have something to talk about over squid ink?
The fight against Monsanto makes sense, they’re messing with his pasta.
Not noticing the mexicans makes sense, you might end up like Steve Sailer
What if we are all Jordan Peterson, just worse at marketing?
“Boneflour, are you telling me people are a bunch of self-serving hypocrites, especially celebrities?”
I know, I know, bear with me on this.
What do you do when even your anti-establishment heroes are fakes paradoxically reinforcing the establishment?
What do you do when most people are actually pretty on board with most of that so long as they get like a month of PTO and dinners comped?
Changing people’s minds with truth and reason doesn’t work, the science is in. If you really want to change the world, you can start a religion or a spiritual movement like veganism and paleo. Or you can be an eccentric billionaire and pay smart people to change things and buy a paper to tell everyone else it’s a great idea.
Or just call the mayor every day for 5 years until they give you that playground development just to shut you up.
I haven’t heard anything bad about Molyneux, I like the guy, and exactly 0 change is likely to come of his stuff.
So we come back to the treestump question
Why build a treestump instead of Save The West?
Maybe that’s backwards. What if the campaign to Save The West is just a shittier wannabe elite clamoring for power it doesn’t really want?
If you want to claim Diversity Might Be Kinda Shit, you’re going to have to deal with an entire industry of people that went to college for a solid chunk of decade to tell people that Diversity Is Great
In fact I think most of that’s quasi illegal now. Even the multicultural boy’s club Proud Boys is now a terrorist organization.
So a flamboyantly gay man… a guy that made out with said gay man and stuck a butt plug in his ass on live TV to not be homophobic, and his entire drinking club are banned from existing, why?
I’m pretty sure it’s because if they were right, a lot of these people might be outta jobs. You’re not just advocating to live your own life in your own way, you’re doing things that could destroy a good part of the ruling faction financially.
You know, like they do to you without hesitation when ya get uppity about not cutting off your kid’s dicks or something.
Everyone trying to convince normal folk with facts and logic instead of doing Oprah’s hair or getting some kind of federal authorization to have an opinion are more or less at war with USG.
In that light, Proud Boys are a terrorist group. No one voted for them, no one gave them a masculinity degree, and I don’t think any of them are the Mayor of anywhere!
Clearly this is a group hostile to the State trying to take power through violent conflict.
So if fighting USG will get you infiltrated by the FBI, what do?
Now we find the purpose of the treestump.
If you want to convince your family that fat is good for you, either get a nutrition degree, get on Dr. Oz, or get an impossibly attractive girlfriend and massive fortune.
Notice none of those things are ‘show them charts and facts about how fat is good for you’.
You’re not CNN, what do you know about medicine?
And any combination of those is going to put you at odds with the people already telling your family how to eat.
In other words, spending time convincing your family to eat better is going to go nowhere. If you want the emotional gratification of being right, do it all day man.
But if you want to actually help their situation, better hit the gym and get start partnering with instagram thots to shill your diet pill. (sorry, protein powder. sorry, ‘pre-workout’. sorry, ‘body detox'”
I dunno if I have a TLDR
Basically, bloggers gonna blog, flaneurs gonna flaneur, martyrs gonna martyr, and so on. Most noble causes are just fun things to do on a Friday night (see also: mission trips, fundraiser dinners)
I’m guessing there are plenty of people in Flat Earth that just like being cast out of groups for their forbidden knowledge. That’s cool man. I’m sure there are some people doing it for the paycheck. Right on.
If you really want to help someone, what you are saying is that you want to rule over them in a way you think will benefit them. A little bit. Maybe a lot.
There’s a lot of space between giving advice that you kinda expect someone to take and getting them to sign Power Of Attorney over to you.
Many times people want to give advice, want that emotional gratification, but don’t want to be on the hook for the results.
Actually helping someone normally doesn’t look like “stop sucking, dude.” But telling someone to stop sucking gets that emotional hit without actually being accountable for the outcome.
So without some kind of stakes involved, “let me help you” often translates to “let me BS you for emotional gratification”. And if the advice doesn’t work, well that’s their fault for taking the advice!
Example: You’re having trouble with crabgrass, someone gives you that free advice to “Hey man, just salt the earth”
You follow the advice and your formerly green lawn is now a yellow wasteland.
You go to complain and the guy goes “pfft, I guess you did it wrong”
Maybe the 50th asshole with opinions about natural weedkillers has something to him. But you can’t tell the difference, and in the mean time, at least you can sue Scott’s Fertilizer if they sell you some bullshit
If you want to actually help someone… then you want to rule them a tiny bit at least… then you need to differentiate yourself from every other irresponsible asshole with an opinion… then you need visible success or social proof or government license or all of it… or don’t be surprised when they can’t tell you from the other kooks.
This is why I’ve been saying Aeoli is going to have to get married and become a pastor, so he can have the status and the resources to help the people he cares about.
This is not quite the Treestump, but it is adjacent to the Treestump.
This is why Taleb pissed people off, by the way. Taleb is the ‘No BS’ guy that calls out BS men such as Bill Nye and Mohnsanto. And then it turns out he calls BS on the one verifiable, replicable result in the whole social sciences.
It turns out ‘No BS man’ is a good gig that lets you eat a lot of squid ink so long as you are secretly ‘Don’t Rock The Boat Man’ where it counts.
See also: Jordan Peterson and Kavanaugh.
So if everyone is in it for the gig, and doing any real work is secondary to keeping the lights on and the gravy train running…
-You can either point that out and complain, and nothing gets done.
-You can get in on the racket and optimize for the gravy
-You can get in on the racket and try and trade some of your own gravy for some actual work getting done
-You can check out of the racket as much as possible, and make your own damn gravy at home
I think option 1 is the Sailer approach. One of the most ignored right men in history.
Maybe 1 and 3, but his gig is not very profitable when you look at someone like Shapiro.
I’d put Jordan Peterson in on 2. Dude is on Gravy Express and just going for it
I think Aeoli is coming around to option 3 and more or less advocating for it.
I think option 4 is what Bice calls Treestump.
Anyway, just thinking out loud between IRL stuff and jerb application procrastinating. Might as well be consistent in my own framework! xD
Nobody read this or think about it at all, you’ve been warned.