The Generation Zyklon meme is not merely misguided, it’s evil

Gen X parents imagine they’ll be watching a fun mass cull from the comfort of their rocking chairs, joyously mocking the whole time. That’s because they’re worse people than Boomers, and their children are already more fucked up than Millenials. And if you poke their delusions with statistics, they’ll deny, evade, equivocate, misrepresent, and always end by asserting that the meme is more true than reality because it only needs to go through the formality of becoming factual. Not one of them will have the wherewithal to ask their children’s peers “how many genders are there?” because they’re secretly afraid to hear the answer. In this post I’ll provide some associations for the case that this cognitive dissonance is driven by our secularized society’s repressed religious desire to sacrifice its children in mass as scapegoats in a suicidal ploy for redemption from our accumulated sins.

This society-wide suicide is represented artistically as Saturn devouring his own son.

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Reduction of bodily death (i.e. ‘the second death’) culminates in survival of an excessive number of individuals that have developed the potentiality for occupying the social roles characteristic of the species. Within a few generations all such roles in all physical space available to the species are filled. At this time, the continuing high survival of many individuals to sexual and behavioural maturity culminates in the presence of many young adults capable of involvement in appropriate species-specific activities. However, there are few opportunities for fulfilling these potentialities. In seeking such fulfilment they compete for social role occupancy with the older established members of the community. This competition is so severe that it simultaneously leads to the nearly total breakdown of all normal behaviour by both the contestors and the established adults of both sexes. Normal social organization (i.e. ‘the establishment’) breaks down, it ‘dies’.

John B Calhoun
Death Squared: The Explosive Growth and Demise of a Mouse Population

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Young born during such social dissolution are rejected by their mothers and other adult associates. This early failure of social bonding becomes compounded by interruption of action cycles due to the mechanical interference resulting from the high contact rate among individuals living in a high density population. High contact rate further fragments behaviour as a result of the stochastics of social interactions which demand that, in order to maximize gratification from social interaction, intensity and duration of social interaction must be reduced in proportion to the degree that the group size exceeds the optimum. Autistic-like creatures, capable only of the most simple behaviours compatible with physiological survival, emerge out of this process. Their spirit has died (‘the first death’). They are no longer capable of executing the more complex behaviours compatible with species survival. The species in such settings die.

John B Calhoun
Death Squared: The Explosive Growth and Demise of a Mouse Population

For more on the psychology of this phenomenon, read my post explaining the growing demographic divide between NEETs and pathological virtue signallers.

Silicon Valley venture capitalist Peter Thiel, whose support for Trump earned him a place on the transition team, is a former student of the most significant theorist of scapegoating, the late literary scholar and anthropologist of religion René Girard. Girard built an ambitious theory around the claim that scapegoating pervades social life in an occluded form and plays a foundational role in religion and politics.

-Geoff Shullenberger
The Scapegoating Machine
The New Inquiry

[…]

He correlates the rise of techno-scientific rationality and secular governance with the decline of the sacred as an organizing principle of culture; but he also detects the residues of sacrificial religion everywhere, especially in the regular resurgence of violent scapegoating in the modern world. For Girard, the decline of sacrifice offers the possibility of transcending the scapegoat mechanism, which he presents as an unequivocally desirable form of progress. But at the same time, he claims the demise of the sacred poses dangers: since religion has been the primary form of regulating violence, its displacement raises the possibility of an uncontained, apocalyptic violence, as well as a panicked return to the most violent forms of religion.

When people insist that Generation Z has the greatest power of any generation to determine the nation’s destiny (that is, transferring authority), they are implicity transferring accountability as well. That means that when the utopia fails to arise according to these faux-Marxist prophecies, it must be the fault of wreckers who must be found and punished. This kicks off the purity spiral, where those perceived as being the most powerful must be torn apart by Inquisitors like sacred cows:

Please note here that it’s traditional to sacralize the scapegoat before sacrificing it. I believe this is why Gen Xers brook no criticism of Gen Z.

Trappers set out to the bear caves at the end of winter, while the bears are still hibernating. If they find a newborn cub, they kill the mother and take the cub back to the village, where they raise it indoors, as if it were one of their own children. It is said that they even provide the cub with their own breast milk. When the cub grows larger, they take it outdoors, and put it into a small pen made of logs. Throughout their lives, the bears are provided with high-quality food. The cubs are treated as, and traditionally believed to be, gods.

After the cub reaches one or two years of age, they release it from the cell and place it in the center of the village, where it is tied to a post with a rope. The males in the village then take shots at the cub with bows and arrows. Even at the age of two years, the brown bears are quite large, and it usually takes numerous shots before they fall. After the bear has been weakened from numerous arrow strikes and is too weak to defend itself, one villager will approach the bear and shoot it in the neck point-blank, to ensure that it is dead. The villagers then slit the bear’s throat and drink the blood. The bear is skinned, and the meat is distributed amongst the villagers. Its bare skull is placed on a spear, which is then rewrapped with the bear’s own fur. This “doll” is an object of worship for the villagers. The bear has now been “sent off” to the world of the gods.

Iomante
Infogalactic

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XXI Civil dissensions
Another remarkable and unexpected symptom of national decline is the intensification of internal political hatreds. One would have expected that, when the survival of the nation became precarious, political factions would drop their rivalry and stand shoulder-to-shoulder to save their country. In the fourteenth century, the weakening empire of Byzantium was threatened, and indeed dominated, by the Ottoman Turks. The situation was so serious that one would have expected every subject of Byzantium to abandon his personal interests and to stand with his compatriots in a last desperate attempt to save the country. The reverse occurred. The Byzantines spent the last fifty years of their history in fighting one another in repeated civil wars, until the Ottomans moved in and administered the coup de grâce.

Sir John Glubb
The Fate of Empires

The white pill is that, contra the Manicheans out there prophesying this or that fate as being inevitable as the course of the stars, and contra the Amoral Egoistic Christians who would sell their souls to realize hell on earth, there is hope:

It is of interest to note that decadence is the disintegration of a system, not of its individual members. The habits of the members of the community have been corrupted by the enjoyment of too much money and too much power for too long a period. The result has been, in the framework of their national life, to make them selfish and idle. A community of selfish and idle people declines, internal quarrels develop in the division of its dwindling wealth, and pessimism follows, which some of them endeavour to drown in sensuality or frivolity. In their own surroundings, they are unable to redirect their thoughts and their energies into new channels.

But when individual members of such a society emigrate into entirely new surroundings, they do not remain conspicuously decadent, pessimistic or immoral among the inhabitants of their new homeland. Once enabled to break away from their old channels of thought, and after a short period of readjustment, they become normal citizens of their adopted countries. Some of them, in the second and third generations, may attain pre-eminence and leadership in their new communities.

This seems to prove that the decline of any nation does not undermine the energies or the basic character of its members. Nor does the decadence of a number of such nations permanently impoverish the human race. Decadence is both mental and moral deterioration, produced by the slow decline of the community from which its members cannot escape, as long as they remain in their old surroundings. But, transported elsewhere, they soon discard their decadent ways of thought, and prove themselves equal to the other citizens of their adopted country

tl;dr-

Translation of the Generation Zyklon meme: “I can’t wait to watch my kids driven to race war by economic desperation, because it’s too risky for me to fight it.”

Doesn’t have the same connotation when you just come out and say it, does it?

Thus we see that the cultivation of the human intellect seems to be a magnificent ideal, but only on condition that it does not weaken unselfishness and human dedication to service. Yet this, judging by historical precedent, seems to be exactly what it does do. Perhaps it is not the intellectualism which destroys the spirit of self-sacrifice—the least we can say is that the two, intellectualism and the loss of a sense of duty, appear simultaneously in the life-story of the nation.

Indeed it often appears in individuals, that the head and the heart are natural rivals. The brilliant but cynical intellectual appears at the opposite end of the spectrum from the emotional self-sacrifice of the hero or the martyr. Yet there are times when the perhaps unsophisticated self-dedication of the hero is more essential than the sarcasms of the clever.

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38 Responses to The Generation Zyklon meme is not merely misguided, it’s evil

  1. Obadiah says:

    A creatively-gifted person like me* who is very impressed by and fascinated with intellectual brilliance

    vs

    an intellectually brilliant person like you who has a tendency to exoticize “creativity”

    both have in common that

    we are going to have to put aside our respective vanities and comforts and find our courage sooner rather than later.

    We do have to make sure when we all do draw our swords together, that we don’t do so in vain–which means getting an increasingly critical mass of traditional, solid western people woke and motivated (I am currently enjoying watching Owen Benjamin’s spiral into wokeness as an archetypal example)

    [*growing up, it seemed like every other person I met and every college professor whose class I would sit in would tell me how I should pursue a career in art/drawing, acting, singing, theatre, design, writing {especially writing}; etc but I never did because I could always unconsciously discern, despite my comfortable lifestyle and upbringing afforded by my parents, that there was something wrong about the world in general–and especially its creative fields–but initially could not ratiocinate just exactly what was wrong or why, which caused me to go a rather long ways off of the beaten path in search of truth. Now I post in the comments section of a neanderthal blog.]

  2. Phelps says:

    Fair.

    — gen Xer

  3. agentorange says:

    Check out Peter Turchin’s secular cycles theory

  4. Obadiah says:

    >it seemed like every other person I met

    It would be more accurate to say “an inordinate amount of people I met”

  5. Craig says:

    : “I can’t wait to watch my kids driven to race war by economic desperation, because it’s too risky for me to fight it.”

    There is a very significant portion of Gen X who are single and childless. People who push the Gen Zyklon meme are generally clueless about the makeup of their own cohort.

  6. bicebicebice says:

    “Gen X parents imagine they’ll be watching a fun mass cull from the comfort of their rocking chairs, joyously mocking the whole time. ”

    They are watching a fun mass cull, of the west. Who said they were going to save the west? They all hate it. Generations don’t matter when we talk about sapes and 20/80, those numbers still exist, itz just that earlier white generations were better conditioned by better men via social engineering but alas they were still sapes and you can spray golden glitter on a turd but itz still a turd.
    We are now dealing with absolutely zero pretenses from any good sources, just sapes indulging in the jew. Of course they do not believe in genders, they do not believe in anything except the bunga-bunga party and if they all die so be it-laying the bricks or assembling the west in parts have zero to do with the west as a concept which only “intellectuals” care about, because it is the best deal and this waning and waxing of civilization is just tedious and unnecessary and bad for business, there you have the divergence of the two smarties, erase humanity for good (but always get sidetracked because money and status is nice-like bill gates and his erase africa program which ironically created a greater threat to earth with 4 billion niggers which again is a weapon to surpass even metal gear but still…) and the Nobilid way of ever increasing goodboy genetic values and tech and if they sapes wants to be cannibal raspists let them and for fucks sake don’t drag them into the west and never pretend for one fucking second that they are human, sapeness is an incurable genetic condition, just as “american” is a medical condition.

    one thing the mice did not have was the internet and all the worlds knowledge to be learned for free. you can survive and bypass all of this current year bullshit in a treestump if you so choose, i a person displays these feelings of hopeless and no strive, when you can build yourself up again with a free tutor and just accept something called the genetic lottery, well that person is a sape or worse, a thard. you do not have to game the system and sell your soul because you can sidestep all of it.

    IF an entire generation is clowned via toxins then so be it, create a new one and do not feed them plastics and do not let your baby mommas insides turn into a waste processing plant. with 20/80 you still got 1.6 billion people with xxx IQ on this planet, nor has the planet ever sen this number of whites at the same time if that is ones major pet peeve.

    I do not share this doom&gloom and we have a saying here in swe”varje generation måste återerövra sitt land”, so get out there and start patriarching and if one harvest is rotten replace it and help the new one avoid the older ones faith. I think everyone knows what needs to be done by now;

    1. no democracy
    2. never believe women and all non-whites
    3. only the white man cares and is capable of civilization (asians have no soul fuck muh high IQ meme they just steal shit like jews and mongrels are not human keep it Neanderthal not goy-mishmash)
    4. donald dumb will never amount to anything because he is not donald trump he is not the president he is a melon stuck in his genetically predetermined sexual-tension worshipping game where the endgame is the female EATING the male (current year anyone?!?), after all the layers have been stripped off in a sexualzed game of ritualized attention whoring.
    5. Vote Mike Pence 2020.

    read my shitsmerking thread, you americans have turned into homosexual european socialists. soon you will not even have a race and you will all speak spanish worshipping israel and the zodiac. fix your fucking country write your congressman and tell donnie dumb to take the jewish cock out of his mouth.

  7. Obadiah says:

    4. donald dumb will never amount to anything because he is not donald trump he is not the president he is a melon stuck in his genetically predetermined sexual-tension worshipping game where the endgame is the female EATING the male (current year anyone?!?), after all the layers have been stripped off in a sexualzed game of ritualized attention whoring.

    The drawn out socio-sexual courtship-dance is definitely a legit thing, but is intended to end with a monogamous lifelong marriage to secure the inheritance and prosperity of the children produced by the pair-bonding. The male may take several additional concubines over the course of his life (depending on his position within the religious theocracy). The courtship game is an adaptation to select mates carefully and for quality-over-quantity in a resource-rich, stabilized environment. I’m not sure which counterfactual black hole you pulled the praying mantis wife-eats-male thing out of but if it gives your occ the tickly-feels then you are certainly welcome to believe it.

    Donald Trump is done playing the courtship game, and is a 72 year old man who is trying to secure a positive posthumous legacy for himself and his family as Great Heroic Americans (he is trying to make his family the illegitimate-on-paper but legitimate-in-reality Royal Family of the nation). If he can deliver on his various promises, I support his claim fully–as will the 35% red-blooded-legacy-white-american ethnogroup he appeals to.

    fix your fucking country write your congressman and tell donnie dumb to take the jewish cock out of his mouth.

    America in its current form cannot and will not (and probably should not) be “fixed”.

    It appears that the only holding pattern above the ‘Treestump Kokiri Village’ level of scale that human beings can execute successfully is a religious theocracy (Israel’s unifying religion is the worship of the Jewish race and her national mythological-unifying-story-of-destiny is the Holocaust tale; underneath that outer-facing layer is Zodiacism/Metaphysics).

    The big trick appears to be getting the King/hereditary Monarchs to be accountable to Jehovah and not to Astrology over the long term, which I’m not sure is even possible given the problem of entropy/genetics.

  8. Obadiah says:

    Reality is paradoxical at base and the vicious spiral of entropy is deterministic. For the problems of our time to really be solved in any meaningful capacity, a gigantic proportion of the humans currently living would have to die.

    Luckily for us, there is Good News!

  9. Heaviside says:

    “Zodiacism” has nothing to do with Astrology.

  10. Obadiah says:

    >“Zodiacism” has nothing to do with Astrology.

    What does it have to do with?

  11. Fox says:

    @obadiah
    I think this man can help one understand what TMTB actually believe in.
    https://secretsun.blogspot.com/2019/01/great-restoration-watch-measure-of-ram.html

  12. Aeoli Pera says:

    >We do have to make sure when we all do draw our swords together, that we don’t do so in vain–which means getting an increasingly critical mass of traditional, solid western people woke and motivated (I am currently enjoying watching Owen Benjamin’s spiral into wokeness as an archetypal example)

    Precisely my thinking.

    >*growing up, it seemed like every other person I met and every college professor whose class I would sit in would tell me how I should pursue a career in art/drawing, acting, singing, theatre, design, writing {especially writing}; etc but I never did because I could always unconsciously discern, despite my comfortable lifestyle and upbringing afforded by my parents, that there was something wrong about the world in general–and especially its creative fields–but initially could not ratiocinate just exactly what was wrong or why, which caused me to go a rather long ways off of the beaten path in search of truth.

    That’s quite a sentence, and I’ve written a doozy or two myself :-P.

    >Fair.

    Impressive.

    >Check out Peter Turchin’s secular cycles theory

    My library doesn’t have it. Donate $31 to my cashtag and I’ll buy it and read it: https://cash.me/$AeoliPera

    >It would be more accurate to say “an inordinate amount of people I met”

    Don’t you go developing socket depth on me, muh theerys.

    >There is a very significant portion of Gen X who are single and childless. People who push the Gen Zyklon meme are generally clueless about the makeup of their own cohort.

    They aren’t alone in their alienation, but yes.

  13. Aeoli Pera says:

    Re: Bice,

    As usual, I have nothing to add except to say I enjoyed the ride. Either you’re becoming less inscrutable or my melonboon deathstar is now fully operational.

  14. Obadiah says:

    Thank you for the video, Fox. Based off my own experiences I’m basically convinced at this point that the phenomenon of human consciousness is supernatural (Koanic has also proven it mathematically). Same goes for the collective unconscious based on my own personal experiences and just from analyzing art as it develops and occurs and whatnot.

    Chris Knowles: “Pop culture is a collective dream. It’s the collective consciousness dreaming.”
    The other day I was watching a review about a film I’d never seen before called “Return of the Living Dead” and thinking to myself the entire time “Man, this movie is just a 1980’s Cold War Americana feverdream hallucinogenic waking nightmare”

    The Met Gala stuff in that video makes my skin crawl, and is just all too typical.

    >’We Come in Peace’ is a statue of a 12-foot alien demon by Huma Bhabha
    Huma Bhabha?
    Humbaba?
    All of her work is certainly Terrible.

    “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”

    “Truth is stranger than fiction because we don’t meet it as often.”

    >Talk about guns in the video

  15. Heaviside says:

    >What does it have to do with?

    There have been societies where astrology played an important role in the government, but “Zodiacism” is a purely hypothetical religion that has never been practiced.

  16. bicebicebice says:

    “Craig says:
    January 24, 2019 at 3:20 pm
    : “I can’t wait to watch my kids driven to race war by economic desperation, because it’s too risky for me to fight it.”

    There is a very significant portion of Gen X who are single and childless. People who push the Gen Zyklon meme are generally clueless about the makeup of their own cohort.”

    +1, I just don’t see it, maybe even as in at all and Certainly not in That scale.
    But gen Xers being worse parents than boomer is of course true, they knew better but choose to turn to the mass-media/Internet instead of Goobernment to “raise” their chillums. My generation, Y-the shortest one, (a millenial is born in the year 2000 or after because they grew up with social media and smartphones as norm, a pox on the misclassifiers), is even worse, combining all the faults of the previous ones, now with racemixing and prostituing toddlers on social media.
    Then again I see the same thing with 50/60 year olds in swe having “sladdbarn”, which begs the questions if generations when you really boil it down is just sapes doing sape things.

    All the pretenses are gone in the west, only in China and Japan do you still see social engineering aimed towards civilization instead of jewniggergarbage as in the west which the sapes of course gobble up being groids themselves deep down.

    Again I just don’t see it.

    “Obadiah says:
    January 24, 2019 at 7:32 pm”
    “The drawn out socio-sexual courtship-dance is definitely a legit thing, but is intended to end with a monogamous lifelong marriage to secure the inheritance and prosperity of the children produced by the pair-bonding.”

    Yes, and in donnie “ooma loompa-melon” dumbs case he is Not choosing what is the fabric of america, white europeans, he is choosing cotton pickers and vegetable jockeys. And jews.

    “Donald Trump is done playing the courtship game,”

    The he and america dies, the nation is his wife his child and his family, he will get eaten by the groids like all melons wanting worship, real men do not practice cannibalism but he chooses not to appeal to them who built america. He is nulling himself. as much shit as possible needs to be heaped on him to break the conditioning and it will stop when he stops when he realizes he is the source of his own bullshit. un-shitholing america produced some interesting results with the government shutdown, laid out for all to see america is a socialist nation that pays subventions for non-whites. however donnie dumbs major problem is thinking people can connect the dots, he is showcasing a lot of americas problems but you do not appeal to peasants, the kings job is to force through laws. I intellecutally appreciate what he is trying to do but in doing so he is losing momentum with his base, people want action. Start deporting non-whites start gunning them down at the borders and stop giving 38 billion to israel and stop being socialists hiring groids.
    Donald can not escape his melon-pull to be worshipped by as many people as possible who will one day eat him. The wages of sin because it is a feminine trait wanting praise (confirmation). He either starts to steamroll the opposition or becomes a 1 term president. At that point America should split up as a nation because you are not united in anything.

    TLDR: with donnie dumbs “itz so unfair to legal immigrants” and his h1b visa cucking and giving israel 38 billion for christmas whilst begging the democrat jews for 5billion..if the president of america wants to dissolve america, what then becomes the obligation of the founding citizenry? if americas destiny is to be an ATM and foreskin machine for the jews, and a socialist haven for all non-whites. maybe the founding fathers were wrong and this is peak performance (you may not like it but this is what it looks like).

    “Trump’s paternal grandfather, Frederick Trump, first immigrated to the United States in 1885”

    “The original United States Naturalization Law of March 26, 1790 (1 Stat. 103) provided the first rules to be followed by the United States in the granting of national citizenship. This law limited naturalization to immigrants who were free White persons of good character.” vs “The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 prohibits racial and gender discrimination in naturalization.[7]”

    good character = good genes incline and eugenics

    discrimination of race and gender = ((socially))) socialized decline and dysgenics.

    it must be very confusing being american balancing the 10 commandments and the constitution, land of the patriost-a patriot should despise nationalism because it stumps local self-governance whereas a nationalist should despise the centralization of power that occurs in an empire, where the imperalist should despise being a puppet to another country (israel), compound these collective disgrunt from all layers when the commander in chief is a late coming jewish con-man from germany.

    “Aeoli Pera says:
    January 25, 2019 at 1:35 am”

    I had to find some motivation to learn german and right now that is industrial music and speeches by adolf hitler, perhaps it shines through which is the point, european values have destroyed america, if donnie dumb had balls he would prohibit immigration to america from all nations for 50 years whilst deporting sapes, otherwise america will balcanize amongst the white populus not along some “north” vs “south” shit but real whiteoid ethinic lines and then it will get really interesting. But why not do that, if donnie dumb has choosen groids and israel over american whiteoids?

    you said so yourself, “take them out of their dysfunctional element and insert them into a functioning one and the become productive members of that society”, first step is to renounce yourself as an american and identify as Minnesotan or Iowan or whatever, then you shed that layer to because it will involve sapes and groids, then you are ready for the real white on white race war.

    TLDR 2
    all of this will be donnie dumbs fault, not anyone elses, and by his own genetic-machinations which is why one should get their treestump in order. what happens when the china melons uses their Borgonizer (h/t Koanic) and realizes donnie dumb is nothing but a genetic showboater made of nothing? Who is not even American? Don’t even ever trust a european, and america did and now it is socialist shithole disintegrating. A real patriot would start by firebombing the statue of liberty, donated by the french-if you ever read what it actually says. Real America is satellite-pockets of communities, but the entire host is unorganized crime on a worldwide scale. If you laugh at the treestumps, then you are part of the latter and dance to the tunes of Jewtropolis waving the american flag. If you are a real patriot shoot the flag wavers first, impale them with the Anchor of Hope. if the president is dissolving the country why not do the same? I challenge anyone to name even one person right now that will succeed where donnie dumb failed, uniting white america again working for the people that built the country. I’ll wait. real democracy needs to be an unpopularity contest and right now that is only possible locally.

    TLDR3 just touch base with good ‘ol values, start calling cretins cretins and all women hysterical, if you see a chinaman call him a chinaman and if you see a jew start rambling in german to scare them off. only the white anglo saxon man can roll with the punches the rest will cry foul and seek comfort in socialism. sapes – not even once

  17. Obadiah says:

    “Return of the Living Dead” is like if the USA fell asleep and had a nightmare in the year 1985.

  18. Post Alley Crackpot says:

    “Translation of the Generation Zyklon meme: ‘I can’t wait to watch my kids driven to race war by economic desperation, because it’s too risky for me to fight it.'”

    Spot on, but there are other variations that are interesting to observe.

    For instance, there’s this variation: “I’m so happy that there’s an Other out there that we can fight with, because otherwise we’d be forced to fight with ourselves.”

    There’s this variation as well: “I need my generational identity because it offers me a form of defence in numbers, even if those numbers won’t really defend me in any tangible way.”

    Take any manufactured collectivism where someone else endures the pain, and it sounds a lot like this “Gen Zyklon” crap when you render it down to its core message.

  19. agentorange says:

    he has a blog…no need to read the book unless you really want some fine grain detail

    http://peterturchin.com/cliodynamica/

  20. Obadiah says:

    Thus we see that the cultivation of the human intellect seems to be a magnificent ideal, but only on condition that it does not weaken unselfishness and human dedication to service. Yet this, judging by historical precedent, seems to be exactly what it does do. Perhaps it is not the intellectualism which destroys the spirit of self-sacrifice—the least we can say is that the two, intellectualism and the loss of a sense of duty, appear simultaneously in the life-story of the nation.

    Indeed it often appears in individuals, that the head and the heart are natural rivals. The brilliant but cynical intellectual appears at the opposite end of the spectrum from the emotional self-sacrifice of the hero or the martyr. Yet there are times when the perhaps unsophisticated self-dedication of the hero is more essential than the sarcasms of the clever.

    “The unsophisticated self-dedication of the hero” is something that is more difficult to cultivate in would-be heroes when his fellow would-be heroic actors, drinking deep from those strange pools which seem more real than reality itself, wish to have a permanent and genetically-derived moral high ground over him so they can be right in every situation and never be wrong during any potential future disagreement (even in those disagreements when they do happen to be wrong), hence my continued efforts to force your powers of perception at least somewhat outward

  21. Obadiah says:

    “@Obie, it’s not obvious what you want from me, in particular or in general.”

    I’ve already gotten what I wanted from you, which is the ability to believe in God.

    For the bonus round, I want your moral effort to become less monodimensional and one-sided because I perceive this as being important for future group cohesion.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      This group in particular or group cohesion in general? I’m clocking in at about 250 unique visitors per day, which isn’t bad but it’s not exactly a breakout civilization.

  22. Heaviside says:

    >“Return of the Living Dead” is like if the USA fell asleep and had a nightmare in the year 1985.

    greatest zombie movie of all time

  23. Obadiah says:

    >me talking about “muh creative” in that first post

    I think I’m using the word “creative” in a kind of broad, common, mainstream sense of “being good at tasks typically considered ‘artsy'” or something to that effect, rather than the deeper, more nuanced definition employed and understood in the edenosphere.

    Basically I think I have the mental wetware-equipment of someone who would’ve had a pretty easy and comfortable time writing books or acting in plays or being a musician or drawing cartoons for a living, but I have the conscious personality of someone who tends to analyze things from a logical, intellectual perspective.

    Whereas it seems to me that you have the opposite configuration: the mental wetware-equipment of someone who has a lot of “raw intellectual firepower” and is suited for intellectually rigorous and advanced tasks and stuff, while having the conscious personality of the type of person who is suited for a life of writing books or acting in plays or being a musician or drawing cartoons for a living.

    I think I’m mainly referring to “grey” and “white” matter here as opposed to something like artistic talent, which in my opinion is an element of the supernatural nature of consciousness and cannot be predicted by i.e. phrenology.

    I’m more like the “political thinker” described by Thomas here than I am the classic “genius”:
    https://salo-forum.com/index.php?threads/the-gospel-according-to-thomas777.4482/page-2#post-37988

  24. Obadiah says:

    I’ve always been good at saying things, but until relatively recently haven’t really had a lot that I felt needed to be said (being mostly content to observe). I’ve been a man of form without content for most of my life.

  25. Obadiah says:

    My first comment is just splitting hairs about the technical definition of “~cReAtIvItY~”, which is really a philosophical question. To you and Bruce Charlton, “Creativity” seems to mean specifically “Insights produced by introverted intuition”, whereas in my opinion “creativity” encompasses a broad array of activity, from acting to grafitti to poetry to internet flash-animated satire videos to musical composition.

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  27. Obadiah says:

    in my opinion “creativity” encompasses a broad array of activity, from acting to grafitti to poetry to internet flash-animated satire videos to musical composition.

    Since about late puberty, my brain has basically responded to encountering reality by obsessively-compulsivley composing music. I haven’t shared any, though, as I have Tex Arcane-tier perfectionistic tendencies with muh compositions

  28. Obadiah says:

    We’re going to make a band called “Astronomy Mode” and overthrow the cultural tyranny of vulgar popular music. But first we have to overthrow the Deep State and NWO. And before we do that, I have to overcome my stuck will/thoughts.

    Itz all a very tall order.

  29. Obadiah says:

    *overthrow the cultural tyranny of vulgar popular music by blending elements of classical, electronic, new wave/post-disco, french house, and metal.

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