The primary difference between neurotypical and Asperger’s, part 2

Your daily spergout, taken more or less directly from the Discord. Part 1 is here.

The reason autistes and neurotypicals get along like oil and water is that neurotypicals engage in controlled social conflict frequently, whereas autistic people engage in binary all-or-nothing conflict infrequently. With autistic people, you’re either “in” or “out”. We are literally incapable of understanding what a “frenemy” is. So either you get full access, or you’re a danger. Contrast this with the neurotypical distinction between the personal and social spheres, where people in the social (public) sphere get carefully limited access. The autistic tendency to get attached to mapping the territory and the neurotypical tendency to prefer existing in unmapped territory, as explained in part 1, actually derive directly from this difference.

I explained it to my sister one time in these terms: imagine that I can only see things when I know what they’re called, but you only see things when you don’t know what they’re called. It would be very difficult for us to communicate because I’d always want to name things so we can talk about them, but you’d want me not to name them so we can talk about them. And not just frustrating, but easily mistaken for hostility on both sides. I’d interpret your unwillingness to engage in cultural transmission as an attempt to keep me enslaved in ignorance, unable to navigate a world where all the objects are invisible. And vice versa.

If we introduce the two different social conflict models, these mindsets make sense. For a neurotypical, who engages in controlled social conflict, the act of describing something puts that knowledge into the tribal knowledge. People then react to that knowledge, repositioning themselves. For example, saying “John is going out with Mary” fundamentally shifts the social landscape. By observing this out loud, the object is changed. Hence, important information carries a price tag. This is similar to my analogy above where the object “disappears”, which is a crude way of saying “ceases to exist precisely as it was”. When neurotypicals gossip, they do so in hushed tones with people they like or want to like them.

A more succinct expression of this is “with neurotypicals, the act of drawing the map changes the territory”.

With aspergoids and so on, formalizing things sets them in stone because if someone in the tribe disagrees, their options are to accept it, escalate to combat, or leave the tribe. That’s why we tend to the naive view that “information wants to be free”. In a tribe where cooperation is assumed, it’s better for everyone to know everything to avoid confusion. I.e. If Mike wants to go out with Mary and he hears about John, the assumption is that he will not try to sabotage them covertly or commit adultery given the opportunity. If he does, such a betrayal of the group interest (relatively minor in neurotypical society) is grounds for banishment. So if a high-trust group breeds out the tendency to engage in controlled conflict, they will tend to become very attached to cultural transmission. I.e. Communicated articulate systems, ideas, etc. The more succinct expression of this one would be “with autistes, the map freezes the territory in place”.

It’s worth mentioning that this is actually a spectrum from less comfortable with controlled conflict to more comfortable, not a binary distinction. But it’s necessary to describe in binary terms first in order to communicate the conceptual connection.

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9 Responses to The primary difference between neurotypical and Asperger’s, part 2

  1. Pingback: The primary difference between neurotypical and Asperger’s, part 1 | Aeoli Pera

  2. Obadiah says:

    Hence the key importance of religiosity, which as you’ve noted is the only way to train us out of our disingenuousness. It’s (arguably) the key element for neurotypicals/extroverts to develop a virtuous “fixed identity core”, as Koanic has called it–because it is the actual original purpose of human life.

    Religion is that key component that can take a generic inoffensive shitlib progressive cro-mag aspiring cookie-cutter Hollywood comedian dudebro…

    …and turn him into Punished “Venom” BigBear, dispenser of Red-Pills and drinker of Three Claws:

  3. Schrödinger's Psych Evaluation says:

    That controlled social conflict is both sad and infuriating. And I’m not even autistic. In such situations, I often find myself wanting to retaliate in a cold and very deliberate manner in order to make a point that no one will get.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      >That controlled social conflict is both sad and infuriating.

      It’s not so bad when you get used to the protocols, but weaponizing communication is a very selfish thing to do. There’s a reason Africans can produce outliers with 145 IQs and even these people have never built two-story houses.

  4. Heaviside says:

    >A more succinct expression of this is “with neurotypicals, the act of drawing the map changes the territory”.

    This is just reality.

  5. bicebicebice says:

    “Schrödinger’s Psych Evaluation says:
    In such situations, I often find myself wanting to retaliate in a cold and very deliberate manner in order to make a point that no one will get.” hehe. being adult means knowing how to win the debate, you act nice polite funny informed (and condemn racism and anti-semitsm) and then you get invited back again next time, winning the debate with sapes is always being present, if you are not within eyeshot you do not exist.

    “Aeoli Pera says:
    February 16, 2019 at 1:17 pm
    There’s a reason Africans can produce outliers with 145 IQs and even these people have never built two-story houses.”

    the foreman does not build the palace laying bricks and he does not live in it when it is finished, why build something yourself when the world will feed clothe and build for you to the tone of 4 billion (all you have to do is tp be a grown ass man crying into a camera ).
    homo erectus is the smartest kaveman jews are nothing compared to him and im being completely sincere

  6. Schrödinger's Psych Evaluation says:

    >but weaponizing communication is a very selfish thing to do

    I don’t know whether or not it’s necessarily selfish, but it is uncooperative and antisocial. Not that I recommend such a strategy. Some things need to be tolerated for the greater good.

  7. bicebicebice says:

    “Aeoli Pera says:
    February 16, 2019 at 1:17 pm

    “>This is just reality.

    The neanderthals died for lack of ability to hang together in large groups, so clearly they had some issues with adjusting to reality.”

    For the sake of scienmajstics-argument fact-up; Frequency 37.2 million (2015)[8] , “About 2–4 people per 1,000 are considered to have Asperger’s syndrome. The proportion of men considering (3–6 men / 1 woman). [2]”.
    This explains why certain ARYAN HERRENVOLK nations are emigration nations. The long walk still exists to this day but being a neanderthard today should be easier in regards to women.

    The neanderthals didn’t die out so much so rather than they weaned (and still do to this day?!?) themselves of existance, genetic drop by driplet.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/10/at-5-neanderthal-you-are-an-outlier/263475/

    Is the strategy working? If not, how can the Übermensch re-breeding program deal with the leftover neanderthard males? Were neanderthals a matriarchy out of communist 6;1 ratio programs?!?

    The people demand answers from the peoples champion in the next podcast.

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