Theory of original Neanderthal nation: a loose network of shaman phenotypes driven together by necessity

The personality of an average neanderthal, as we understand it in Edenism, reminds me very much of the shaman phenotype seen in other hominids. Neanderthals as a group act very much like a bunch of shamans from individual tribes got fed up and went North together to make their own tribe* somewhere too miserable for sane people to follow and annoy them. So I figure, why not assume that’s what happened and see where the speculation takes us? Since I still think Koanic is right about hybrid theory being the general explanation for speciation, this would (if true) be understood as a very successful evolutionary fluke.

I propose that it’s unusual for group-selected phenotypes like shamans to boil off, come together as a collection of social rejects, and form cohesive groups of their own. As a rule, these people are outliers and specialists with low general adaptation, dependent upon the group for their subsistence and evolutionary purpose. However, I also propose that this could occur if a period of extreme and rapid individual-level selection (R-selection) preceded a period of extreme and rapid group-level selection (k-selection). The period of R-selection would drive down the demand for group-selecting phenotypes while the high overhead cost of feeding and maintaining them (and putting up with their eccentric disagreeableness) remains fixed, which would remove their raison d’etre and, I suspect, cause many of them to be driven out. Combine

1. a large enough population of these unattached specialists with
2. a harsh enough series of winters to overcome their Orangutan-like sociability and low average genetic similarity and
3. the modern observation that, in populations with a high number of males for each female, female sexual selection actually prefers slow life history personality traits** like altruism,

and a viable breeding population may be plausible.

I’ve made the case before that a tribe of neanderthal-leaning homo sapiens, today, would not be viable because 1) we lost the entwives, 2) regression to the mean, and 3) Asperger’s is (in my uneducated opinion) closer in nature to a purely group-selected phenotype with a few archaic traits than a reversible diaspora of a complete, self-consistent genepool (as opposed, presumably, to the diaspora Jews). That is, I don’t believe that a similar exodus of geniuses could form a stable breeding population today (in fact, it’s a laughable proposition to imagine if you’ve ever known any of them). On the other hand, I do believe such a thing could work if a period of intense R-selection were immediately followed by a period of intense k-selection, and I’m beginning to think this was the origin story of the neanderthal species.

This speculation is based on the observations that

1. genius and Asperger’s are correlated
2. genius and shamanism are correlated,
3. Neanderthals and Asperger’s are correlated, and
4. Neanderthals and genius are correlated.

If these links are substantiated, it’s not much of a conceptual leap to suggest the remaining connections may also be correlated, suggesting a general factor explanation that:

Shamans ~ Geniuses ~ Asperger’s (ADHD/OCD/Tourette’s/Psychoticism) ~ Neanderthals

To disambiguate, the melonhead general factor would be Priests ~ Great Men ~ Dark Triad/Tetrad ~ Melonheads, which I’ve proposed is derivative from neanderthal hybrids backbreeding into some other hominid (with Denisovans being my first choice).

The shaman exodus theory of neanderthal origins is driven by commonalities in the instinctive origin myths of modern neanderthal-leaning people, as observed in their beliefs and revealed preferences. However, this could also be merely the manifestation of loneliness as Gnostic religious impulses, which appears to appeal to both neanderthal and melonhead instincts alike.

1. Genius and Asperger’s are correlated

The more precise formulation is that Asperger’s Syndrome is a large subset of Charlton’s “endogenous personality”.

Are [Asperger’s] geniuses?

Genius, according to me, requires a wide associative horizon and large amounts of conscientiousness and intelligence. The first two thereof are typical of Asperger syndrome, be it not necessarily in all cases where conscientiousness is concerned. This means that the minority of persons with Asperger who in addition have high intelligence are likely to become geniuses, or at least creative.

In studying the history of genius and the lives of geniuses it quickly becomes obvious that most if not all geniuses are Aspergoid, although a formal diagnosis is as good as never available (which is logical as Asperger was only in the 1990s added to the diagnostic manuals).

In fact the real challenge is to come up with examples of non-Aspergoid genius. If such exists, it is most likely to be found in the performing arts (singing, dancing, acting) and in the non-exact or “alpha” sciences. Possible candidates are the composer W. A. Mozart and the psychiatrist S. Freud (not that I personally consider them geniuses; I just mention them because they are generally considered that).

Paul Cooijmans
Straight talk about Asperger syndrome

2. Genius and shamanism are correlated

Again, this linkage is explained through the endogenous personality.

It would obviously help if the shaman was more-than-usually intelligent as well as more-than-usually creative – but it is probable that these nomadic, simple hunter-gatherer societies have not been selected for higher intelligence over hundreds of years – as have some of the more stable and more complex agricultural societies (as we will see later).

So the objective intelligence of real life shamans may have been relatively lower than what Europeans of recent generations would have considered to be average. However, it is likely that shamans were relatively highly intelligent by the standards of their people.

But it is not only the exceptional intelligence that sets the shaman apart – rather it is the different cognitive style: the shaman approaches problems differently, or creatively as we would say – he does not apply the usual, traditional, high status or socially sanctioned rules or practices; but instead generates his unpredictable answers using quite different processes and procedures.

And this is something that the shaman cannot help doing: he is made that way, he is called to a role. The shaman is probably an Endogenous personality; he embodies that power which comes from high ability combined with high creativity, and it is this which enables him to serve a crucial social function in certain rare but important situations. Most of the time he is not wanted, scary, chaotic, nasty, a nuisance, a parasite – but there are situations when he is needed. And it is for these situations that the shaman is protected by the rest of the tribe.

This, then, is the same kind of power the genius has: the shaman can be considered an example of the ‘local genius’.

Bruce Charlton, Edward Dutton
The Genius Famine

3. Neanderthals and Asperger’s are correlated

Prinicipal Component Analysis (PCA)

Factor analysis of all versions of Aspie Quiz give similar factors. In Aspie Quiz, these are called neurodiversity factor, neurotypical factor and “third factor”. In this theory, the neurodiversity factor is called Hn factor, the neurotypical factor is called Hs factor and the third factor is assumed to be related to g factor in intelligence tests, and is the hybrid vigor factor(s). Explained variance is listed below for each quiz version. An age for each factor is estimated by assuming Hs factor is 150,000 years, and explained variance is proportional to age.

2019-04-17 19_15_01-The Neanderthal theory of autism, Asperger and ADHD

As can be seen, the Hn factor becomes almost two millions years old and the g factor becomes 37,000 years old, which is the time of the hybridization. The most likely interpretation is that Hn factor is Eurasian diversity, Hs factor is the evolution of modern humans, and g factor is the introduction of Euroasian diversity through interbreeding with Neanderthals 30,000 – 50,000 years ago. In Aspie Quiz, Hn factor is used to calculate the Aspie-score, Hs factor is used to calculate neurotypical score, and g factor is positively correlated with Aspie ability group and negatively correlated with Aspie disability group. It therefore is likely that g factor is related to g-factor in intelligence tests.

Leif Ekblad
The Neanderthal theory

4. Neanderthals and genius are correlated

I’d make this case in three ways:

1. Neanderthal genetics are correlated with mathematical ability at the individual level.
2. Cold stress, k-selection, and neanderthal genetics are correlated with prosperity and innovation rates at the group level (second only to Christianity).
3. Geniuses tend to look like neanderthals (i.e. big brains, big eyes, deep sockets, and archaic dimensions of the face and head).

However, that looks like a pretty daunting task right now and this thing is already pretty long, so I’m just going to go home and maybe return to this later.


*With blackjack. And hookers.
**

The fast strategy manifests high mating effort, risk taking, preference for immediate rewards, high cognitive and behavioral flexibility and, importantly, a generalized ability pattern. The slow strategy is characterized by an emphasis on stability, preference for delayed rewards, willingness to cooperate, high parenting effort, and persistence in cognitive and social niche construction.

Meisenberg, Gerhard
The Rhythm of the West: A Biohistory of the Modern Era AD 1600 to the Present

Emphasis mine.

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25 Responses to Theory of original Neanderthal nation: a loose network of shaman phenotypes driven together by necessity

  1. Obadiah says:

    I think the gracilized, ectomorphic* “Amud dreamer” type probably evolved to fulfill the “Shamanic Wise-Man” role in support of a stabilized hunter-gatherer population of folks who were in the main more like Carles Puyol or Dirk Nowitzki (athletic/thrive on physical activity/obsessed with “making the ball hit the goal” [making the spear hit the quarry in the ancestral environment]. These “hunters” would form the main bulk of the hunter-gatherer population and would resemble my “arch-neanderthal” morph.)

    Our “Mousterian” type seems to be a different type of specialization in support of the hunter-gatherer society, seems specialized for what would be considered more properly “intellectual” activity; I think you’ve conjectured that they would be drawn toward medical work, which makes sense.

    I think Melonheads are the “Edenic” race in the literal sense (Paracas skull DNA doesn’t trace to India, it traces to the Levant). I think Cain looked like my “arch-melonhead” morph and I think Seth looked like my “owl-melon” morph; Our Lord looks like an owl melon from all of His depictions and His writeprint is strikingly M-back.

  2. Obadiah says:

    *ectomorphic = genetic strategy doesn’t include hard work or combat effectiveness

  3. Obadiah says:

    In the primordial hunter-gatherer tribal society, Dirk Nowitzki would be the “alpha male hunting-pack leader” type (naturally drawn to physical activity as opposed to the cerebrotonic, ectomorphic “Amud shaman”). Here is the guy who would be depended on consistently to land the killing blow on the prey when it counted the most to bring home the meat for the tribe (who is not really an “intellectual”-type but who is still an overall good/prosocial guy w/ no dark triad traits)

    In the modern environment this translates to a man deeply and instinctually-obsessed with getting his long-range shooting form down to perfection and who keeps cool and performs under pressure:

  4. lucleio says:

    If only those exogenously oriented fucks would listen to their shamanistic incel brothers and redevelop some eugenic traditions.
    Do you reckon that the neanderthal societies were also culturally eugenic? I bet they had to practice arranged marriage to marry off all those incel shaman sons and keep their daughters from wandering off back to Africa to find real Chads.
    We’re basically done for unless there is a titanic cultural shift back to logos or we transition to a k-select scenario.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      >If only those exogenously oriented fucks would listen to their shamanistic incel brothers and redevelop some eugenic traditions.
      Do you reckon that the neanderthal societies were also culturally eugenic? I bet they had to practice arranged marriage to marry off all those incel shaman sons and keep their daughters from wandering off back to Africa to find real Chads.
      We’re basically done for unless there is a titanic cultural shift back to logos or we transition to a k-select scenario.

      I’ll check the blog stats to make sure all things are held equal, but I’ve always considered parodies to be a sign of emotional investment.

  5. bicebicebice says:

    the posts that saved edenism and increased my asperger levels 12/10

  6. Heaviside says:

    I think shamans lean even more Schizophrenic than Aspergic.

  7. Aeoli Pera says:

    >I think the gracilized, ectomorphic* “Amud dreamer” type probably evolved to fulfill the “Shamanic Wise-Man” role in support of a stabilized hunter-gatherer population of folks who were in the main more like Carles Puyol or Dirk Nowitzki (athletic/thrive on physical activity/obsessed with “making the ball hit the goal” [making the spear hit the quarry in the ancestral environment]. These “hunters” would form the main bulk of the hunter-gatherer population and would resemble my “arch-neanderthal” morph.)

    I agree. I’m only saying this was possibly the origin, which would have stabilized into something else where the majority of people paid their way through hunting, etc.

    >Our “Mousterian” type seems to be a different type of specialization in support of the hunter-gatherer society, seems specialized for what would be considered more properly “intellectual” activity; I think you’ve conjectured that they would be drawn toward medical work, which makes sense.

    I believe they’re drawn toward preservation of institutional knowledge, i.e. guilds and knowledge work. I don’t recall thinking medicine particularly but my memory is not great.

  8. Aeoli Pera says:

    >I think Melonheads are the “Edenic” race in the literal sense (Paracas skull DNA doesn’t trace to India, it traces to the Levant). I think Cain looked like my “arch-melonhead” morph and I think Seth looked like my “owl-melon” morph; Our Lord looks like an owl melon from all of His depictions and His writeprint is strikingly M-back.

    I’ll only observe here that interest in determining which race was “Edenic” appears to be a melonhead trait that I haven’t picked up. My disinterest is 100%, except that I’m more cautious in interpreting the Bible than in other pursuits because I’m actually afraid of error. I’d also guess, based on deep thal examples like Robotnick and Slampropp, that this particular indifference is generally a thal trait.

  9. bicebicebice says:

    “lucleio says:
    April 18, 2019 at 6:33 am”

    they “married them off” to the crazy lady-incels, the ones just too crazy for crazy town. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-greece-archaeology-dawn/scientists-reconstruct-face-of-9000-year-old-greek-teenager-idUSKBN1FC1XK i’m sure neander broads were even more robusto meaning not that hard to survive on your own in case of exile. itz just that problem with breeding population numbers something something. At itz most autisticly cold; thals only need other thals to breed xample see orangutangs (we do not drive).

  10. lucleio says:

    It’s not worth investigating, that was an introductory post.
    If only we had generations of isolation in a harsh environment with cultural traditions that promoted eugenic traits while culling dysgenic traits we could recreate neothals. I guess your pessimism is justified and my response was immature.

  11. Obadiah says:

    >My disinterest is 100%, except that I’m more cautious in interpreting the Bible than in other pursuits because I’m actually afraid of error

    Itz just my tentative belief based on empirical observation and analysis; I might be wrong. I also have a pretty cautious attitude when approaching scripture.

    >I agree. I’m only saying this was possibly the origin, which would have stabilized into something else where the majority of people paid their way through hunting, etc.

    The alternative would be if the “pongid hominid human” line produced by hybrid speciation simply wandered north until settling down and stabilizing into hunter-gatherer groups, which then resulted in tribes of predominantly stress-tolerant rodeo clowns similar to Joe Montana/Andrew Luck/Fedor Emelianenko which developed heavily niche-specialized “Amud Shaman” and “Mousterian Knowledge-Worker” types in crucial support roles (Mousterian being a “niche” type is evident from how uniform-looking their hair/eye coloration, complexion and even fashion tendencies are)

    Both this explanation and yours would ultimately be unsurprising if true.

    The former explanation seems plausible because of how similar in shape Neanderthal skulls look to the other archaic hominids:

    >I believe they’re drawn toward preservation of institutional knowledge, i.e. guilds and knowledge work. I don’t recall thinking medicine particularly but my memory is not great.

    https://aeolipera.wordpress.com/2016/07/23/on-mousterian-neanderthals/#comments

    “Historically, I think they would have been drawn to the medical field, but they have been largely driven out of these by bureaucrats and ambitious strivers.”

  12. bicebicebice says:

    Just for the arguments, the highest knowledge is knowing how to perform advanced surgery on the herrenvolk rulers of the tribes to gain favors and gooboy standing points, now yuo have creature comforts and don’t get eaten or shoaed. If you can follow a set of instructions, a design, you can build a bridge and perform brain surgery. See jews and asians “why are you not a doctor yet my son”. Thalboon speaking this is inferior design but still works, however only for 1xx IQ males see american female deathcontraptions and crashing battleships.

    Innate WOO, on the other hand, is genetic science by either God himself or carefully selected breeding into specialized rainmakermen. Another thing is that melons have larger cranial capacity than neanderthals, but a “dumbie” melon with the same cc as a thal would still not have the same thal-range interests…probably…or…something.

    Another theory to test would be very simple; month 1 you ship caffeine to the savages of papa new guinea and the sentinel islands, month 2 you add nicotine, month 3 you add neanderthal-treebark aka aspirin, month 4 you make sure they all get a calorie surplus. Will they create my first little industrial revolution?

    This is what the ayyliums meant by “crashing” ufos on earth On purpose.

  13. Texas Arcane says:

    You are accurately running parallels to Stan Gooch’s basic cluster of ideas, who suggested the very thing you have postulated for the origins of Neanderthals. Stan should have gotten a Nobel Prize for his ideas once they were confirmed and openly conceded to by mainstream science in the first decade of the 21st century – instead he died broke in a trailer park, a laughingstock thought to be mad who was stripped of his tenure and reduced to penury. Gooch was so far ahead of his time that ordinary people did not understand any of these ideas … including the basic hypothesis you just outlined. Gooch suggested it was possible that a group of extremely spiritual and physically robust geniuses, male and female, driven by deep abstractions and shared dream states, broke away from an existing populating of earlier hominids similar to the way the Mormons left society and started their own new utopia in Utah based on their collective paradigms for reality. Once they gathered together as a separate and tightly knit band, incredibly their group coping strategies as a whole turned out to be far superior to that of other hominids, whose approach to life basically involved hitting stuff with clubs and screeching. They dwelt in a timeless ideology in which they were very future focused as well as deeply reflective on their past, enabling them to predict consequences and prepare for adaptive change in a way that other hominids could not even come close to. You would think these eggheads and dreamers would have been the first to perish in harsh conditions – as Gooch suggests, in fact the rich internal dialogues these men and women fostered in themselves and their children turned out to be the most biologically superior mechanisms imaginable for survival. Instead of laughing at their dreams and visions, they’d pore through their own as well of their children to look for warnings, cautions and wisdom. Just as today, everybody thinks people with Aspergers are feebleminded when in fact they are the only people who have their finger not on what the groups says is “happening,” but a universal zeitgeist all around them that informs them of what is really happening through their dream states. I recommend Gooch highly if you can get copies of his books.

  14. Obadiah says:

    @Tex My first 7-8 months or so posting in this sphere were basically like an extended exercise in me “going to see Aeoli the Shaman”.

  15. Obadiah says:

    Edenism as a whole is like a collection of dysfunctional people who have been ripped out of our various evolutionary specialization-roles by the Globalist project.

  16. Texas Arcane says:

    It’s very telling that the “paranoid survivalist” today is tomorrow’s super-genius once they shut off the flow of hamburgers and french fries. Like in IDIOCRACY, all of a sudden that same person is regarded as Earth’s smartest man. Dysgenics only works in dysgenics fostered and protected environments which are highly contrived and artificial. In the past, people who never paid attention to their inner muse and tried to foresee events and prepare for them occupied a “unique environmental niche” – they died. You make fun of the shaman until it turns out the Shaman was intuiting something happening this Friday … then you realize maybe hunches should be taken seriously, particularly the hunches of Neanderthals.

  17. bicebicebice says:

    “Obadiah says:
    April 19, 2019 at 7:10 pm”

    1987: throw a man into a vat of acid and he becomes a villain
    2019: throw a man into society and he becomes the villain

    “ripped out of our various evolutionary specialization-roles by the Globalist project.” thats like the central issue, jews are not melons and melons are not jews, so why would the melons destroy their watchers when watchers enable running empires that lasts decades of millenia with zero change? worship of the rulers and bread&circus for the plebs? would they throw all of this away to go bust some retards living in remote places because they did not fork up the kings tithe?
    then again jews don’t have the capacity to organize on such a scale so it logically makes the issue something of a new clashing Agenda. by what/whom?!? itz the aliens or itz some serious energy-shift-woo where the heavens act as some kind of “magnets” or “emitters” that does a real number on melonboon brainwaves and turns them into globohomogayplexoogaboogas, some real cosmic jester sheeeeeeeeeeeeit.

    btw thanks for fixing the sound issue Tex.

  18. Obadiah says:

    >You make fun of the shaman

    I’m not ‘making fun of the shaman’; on the exact and total contrary, I’m saying that my early interactions with Aeoli and posting on this blog were basically me subconsciously fulfilling the need to “consult with the shaman” (in this case, Aeoli) to help resolve my own deeper inner and spiritual conflicts, which culminated in me converting to Christianity as a solar eclipse blanketed the North American continent.

    My other posting in this thread is speculation wrt to whether the “shaman wise-man” genetic specialization arose organically as a support role for Neanderthal hunter-gatherer society (this is my thinking, as opposed to Aeoli’s idea that the Neanderthal society itself originated as a result of individual shamans from various hominid tribes defecting, deliberately coalescing, and relocating to the remote wilderness).

  19. Aeoli Pera says:

    >I’m not ‘making fun of the shaman’; on the exact and total contrary,

    He’s saying “you” in the proverbial sense, like “one makes fun of the shaman”, not talking to you particularly.

  20. Obadiah says:

    Ah, OK.

  21. bicebicebice says:

    One should tho, Edenism always has and always will be a rodeo clown circuit. It IS funny because it IS true. no itz just straight up, another major plot point is that the internet is 99.99% sapes, the red pilled sapes will moo-muh until the cows come home but thats not how you herd cats nor vice versa, another Edenist “boon” is that you don’t need to consult the “i’m the expert on Napoleon for the last 50 years but dang! I still havent found him out btw buy my new umpteenth-take on it itz coming out next week”, you only need to look at him, this is something the autistic majority internet can not do, because autism is actually a disease and a major critera is Not being able to recognize faces as in at all. This is why, according to redpilled internet logic, the bad sapes will be good once they convert to communism or american-gope-zionism, MIGA MAGA etc etc.

    Some say really good writing is being able to express a thought, in words, more clearly than it be vivid to the beholder. This is why modern books are shit all of them, “how come I haven’t read his book then?!?” is a valid argument, it is much more fun and principled to navigate someone elses mind AKA video games. “Heresy!” nay I say, if you have the innate power to discern, like a true thal, just re-read the KJV over and over and over again. Life is just that simple

  22. glosoli says:

    >it logically makes the issue something of a new clashing Agenda. by what/whom?!

    Literally (and I mean in the old-fashioned sense of the world) Satan.

  23. Obadiah says:

    >I’ll only observe here that interest in determining which race was “Edenic” appears to be a melonhead trait that I haven’t picked up.

    I’ve observed Tex indulging in “We Wuz Cainz” on at least one occasion on his old blergh

  24. Obadiah says:

    It would not surprise me if the root word of “King” ultimately derives from “Cain” as I suspect “Khan” does

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