The Nightingale in Big O

This is just an oddball observation from reading around about the show.

Later on, I learned the old story of the Nightingale from somebody that knew it. The tale was a fable about an emperor of some ancient country, who loved the song of a mechanical bird.

-Big Ear
Episode 2: Dorothy Dorothy

(Naming the informant character “Big Ear” is probably a reference to the character from Thus Spake Zarathustra.)

This is referring to The Nightingale by Hans Christian Andersen:

The Emperor of China learns that one of the most beautiful things in his empire is the song of the nightingale. When he orders the nightingale brought to him, a kitchen maid (the only one at court who knows of its whereabouts) leads the court to a nearby forest, where the nightingale agrees to appear at court, where it remains as the Emperor’s favorite. When the Emperor is given a bejeweled mechanical bird he loses interest in the real nightingale, who returns to the forest. The mechanical bird eventually breaks down; and the Emperor is taken deathly ill a few years later. The real nightingale learns of the Emperor’s condition and returns to the palace; whereupon Death is so moved by the nightingale’s song that he allows the Emperor to live.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nightingale_%28fairy_tale%29

The moral of this fairy tale is pretty straightforward. If you give up the real thing for an artificial, symbolic representation of the thing (i.e. the super-excitation of hyper-reality), like drinking corn syrup instead of eating fruit, then eventually your malnourished soul becomes too unhealthy to even enjoy the simulation anymore. The connection between the representation and that which it represents breaks down due to the disgust of overexposure, and the only thing that can save you is the holistic nourishment of the real thing again.

(See also: anhedonic hyperphagia in rats presaging pathological virtue signalling in behavioral economics.)

Since the show appears to be a commentary on post-modern epistemology using the simulation theory of the universe as a metaphor, it will be helpful to understand the role Dorothy plays in the referenced fairy tale.

She is a mechanical recreation of a girl who died before Paradigm City lost its memory and is shown singing in this episode (helpfully named “Dorothy Dorothy” so we understand it’s establishing her character). This is a pretty good indication that she’s supposed to be the nightingale. On the other hand, she stays in Roger’s mansion as his maid, like the maid who led the court to the nightingale, which would indicate that she may not be the symbol or the real thing so much as that ineffable strangeness which guides us to the real thing outside the articulable walled garden of civilization. This would be thematically consistent with Chiaki Konaka’s use of red-haired girls in Serial Experiments Lain and especially Technolyze, and is likely meant to evoke the Western trope of red-haired women as representing mystery.

I haven’t figured out what “real thing” Dorothy would be leading us to but this is a decent starting place. Probably something to do with Nietzsche and epistemology. Right now I’m toying with the idea that The Event refers to the death of God somehow, but so far it’s a pretty hazy association and it wouldn’t fit with my previous association of memory with genetics.

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  1. bicebicebice says:

    One part of my Christmas consisted of chatting with, for four hours, american diplomats who just finished a for year stint in CHYNA (no, really, and uncle sam wasn’t rubbing off on the locals, unironic wins for the Borgonizer watch out drumphie ITZ happening), a fairly high level conversation but I felt like I was speaking swedish with a swedish five year old, that is one of the many benefits of all the whacky 200IQ+ shit I’ve read over the years here @ the neandergroidboon-sphere. You literally can’t get that content anywhere else on the planet, especially on a Christmas, even.

    Merry Christmas Aeoli!

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      Merry Christmas Bice!

    • aiaslives says:

      >You literally can’t get that content anywhere else on the planet, especially on a Christmas, even.

      This x 100

      • bicebicebice says:

        autistic people on the internet are the renaissance men of our time but the truth of the matter be that there are no great mysteries on the internet…. not even tex believed that otherwise he would not have shut down his blogg…
        https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Vault-Co

        “Blakemore believes that the purpose of television is to destroy Western society, starting with the women. Once the women have been worked on, they will be estranged from the men, who will enter into a deluded life of hopeless despair:[8]”

        what even is a television?!? if a person unironically wants the futurtopia that white men theorized and fantazied about you gotta learn mandarin, be happy that it is a scrub filter for western gay.io culturalmarxistcommies and find strength and motivation in that…

        the internet is shit because it is not white https://unbabel.com/blog/business-must-have-languages-support/ and the west ITZED because it ran out of straight white god fearing family men no longer being white hence itz shit everywhere, no future.

        CHYNA is a white country “HEY BRO CAN I BORROW 5 SOCIAL CREDITS I’LL PAY YOU BACK TOMORROW” lol no no you can’t my dude enjoy re-education camp where you belong.

        ” If you’re asleep, see to it you don’t come here or you’ll see only nightmares.” get a treestumpt (with a bomb shelter) and turn to Christ itz over

  2. masnsen says:

    Merry Christmas, aeoli.

  3. glosoli says:

    Aeoli, I left a couple of comments on the previous post, they were accepted into moderation, please can you publish them, thanks.

    To any Christian celebrating Christmas, just go and do a websearch on the topic, and you’ll quickly see it’s a pagan festival, Rome just tagged in onto mid-Winter solstice crap.

    Read Jeremiah 10. Know that God hates these customs and hates His people taking part.

    So don’t do ti, take the tree and burn it as a sign of repentance, and pray for forgiveness.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      See, this right here is why I don’t publish your comments anymore. You went from Judaizing to Puritannical.

      • Obadiah says:

        In his defense, the Christmas Tree with a star on top is quite clearly a pyramid with enlightened apex.

        Also, merry Christmas.

        • Obadiah says:

          So I’m all for celebrating Christmas, but I do think Glosoli might be on to something wrt the pagan symbols associated with the holiday, such as the pyramid-shaped object with a star on top dominating peoples’ living spaces for long periods of time (the star being a major symbol in paganism/witchcraft).

          The gift-giving thing is a prosocial and wholesome practice that has been predictably coopted into ugly materialist excess in modernity. Ultimately the true spirit of Christmas is indeed about gratitude for the Lord’s sacrifice.

            • Freeman Obadiah Fly says:

              I’m saying the Christmas tree is implicitly Luciferian, making it not a cultural issue, but a religious one both in context and subject.

            • Aeoli Pera says:

              I’m contending that humans are intrinsically Luciferian in their natural state, or at least have been since eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Hence, I believe there is not only no categorical line between secularism and Satanism, but no qualitative one comparable to the difference between porn and art.

            • Anti-Christmas Tree Wingnut Obadiah says:

              >there is no categorical line between secularism and Satanism

              This is self-evidently true if you take the Bible seriously at all.

              What I guess I’m trying to say is that “all the various pagan (metaphysical/Satanic) cultural idols and bobbles associated with Christmas aren’t really helping us in the culture war, but especially the Christmas tree, which is almost certainly a veiled allusion to the Luciferian pyramid cult, being that it originated during the Renaissance with the guild system, gained initial popularity among the enlightened upper classes and then osmotically transferred to the gen pop.”

            • Aeoli Pera says:

              >all the various pagan (metaphysical/Satanic) cultural idols and bobbles associated with Christmas aren’t really helping us in the culture war

              I understand your point, but purity spiraling as anti-Christmas fails miserably as a tactic for exerting influence in the culture war. It only succeeds, tactically, at alienating the advocate from other Christians, friends, family, countrymen, etc., and accomplishes the same as any other purity spiral…absolutely nothing other than a sense of self-righteousness.

              So if the Christmas Question (CQ) is not a question of means, the remaining question is whether destroying Christmas would be a worthy *end* if it were possible to achieve it. Let’s break this down by cases:

              1. Christ against culture: We must destroy Christmas at all costs.
              2. Christ of culture: Commercialism is the way of the world, therefore it’s okay if Christmas is too.
              3. Christ above culture: Christmas is okay as long as the church sets the overall narrative (i.e. Baby Jesus > Santa).
              4. Christ in tension with culture: Christmas isn’t good per se but Christians exerting influence on it can make it better than otherwise.
              5. Christ transforming culture: Christmas was good, then tarnished by the fall, then redeemed. It can be enjoyed like pork, alcohol, or food sacrificed to idols as long as it’s not a problem for you individually.

              So the only case where an anti-Christmas attitude makes sense at the moral level is the Puritanical one.

              In brief, I believe “A Charlie Brown Christmas” had the right idea and it could arguably fall into cases 3, 4, or 5.

              #Autism

            • Obadiah says:

              Did you see the pic I posted of the Rockefeller tree w/ Prometheus?

            • Aeoli Pera says:

              If I did it wouldn’t have registered because I don’t know what the Rockefeller tree is and wouldn’t recognize it. But the general association of Prometheus-as-enlightened-industrialist works.

            • Koanic says:

              Yeah, the kikes want to destroy Christmas as a symbol of Christendom and whiteness, so we should defend it. Take the win.

              Also the star at the top of the Christmas tree can just as easily be the star announcing Jesus’ birth, and that’s the only association anyone is likely to think of. Satan didn’t make the stars.

              For my Christmas gift, Treefactor is on MELPA. I will make my brethren whole, starting with their fractured minds.

            • Obadiah says:

              Calling me “anti-Christmas” for wanting to remove some of the holiday’s Luciferian symbolism is about as accurate as calling Martin Luther “anti-Christian” for wanting to reform the church. That said, I’ll allow that there are indeed probably more pressing fronts of the culture war to focus energy on than the fringe esoteric symbolism of Christmas.

              Here is the Christmas Tree in Rockefeller Plaza again. This tree is glorifying someone, but it isn’t Jesus Christ:

            • Anti-Tree Task Force Agent Obadiah says:

              TL;DR I like the singing, feasting, merrymaking, gift-giving etc but something about the tree-worship rubs me the wrong way. Itz probably irrelevant however considering there are much more aggressively noxious and damaging idols that peoples’ religious drives are being directed at atm.

            • Koanic says:

              Remove the Luciferians first, then decide whether to keep the star.

        • Obadiah says:

          Basically, when Zodiacism is in full swing very few humans will be Christians but almost every World Citizen will have a Chrimbus tree in their living room come December.

          • Obadiah says:

            Our team isn’t “winning” (we’re getting killed by Judeo-Satan United) so we have to revamp and revolutionize our program, starting by taking away the beloved Christmas tree–which Christendom can only have back upon remembering the true spirit of Christmas.

          • Obadiah says:

            ^I think these last two posts are more what I’m trying to get at here.

      • glosoli says:

        You have no fear of God Aeoli, none, hence you have no wisdom, none.
        A cursory websearch tells everyone that Christmas is Saturnalia, all the customs are pagan in origin, and it’s not in the slightest bot likely that Christ was born around the winter solstice.

        But, it’s easier for you to call me a Puritan or a Judaiser than it is for you to accept I just stick with scripture and God’s ways, whilst you, and most others, love the ways of the world.

        So be it, I’ll not bother commenting here again.

        • Aeoli Pera says:

          >But, it’s easier for you to call me a Puritan or a Judaiser

          It helps that you are both of those things.

          • Mycroft Jones says:

            Thought you were an evangelical, Aeoli. But you are buying into the Papist worldview, even if you haven’t bent the knee to the Pope. Even if you haven’t realized where this stuff is coming from that you are pushing. Jim is smart, but he is an atheist who wants the benefits of Faith. Without actual, you know. Faith. He speaks of Rectification of Names, but he has consistently been inverting some key terms in a way that steers people toward Catholicism and its sisters, Anglicanism and Eastern Orthodoxy. 500 years ago we put those groups in their place for very good reason, and going back to them is NOT a good path. Calling us Judaisers is inaccurate and historically ignorant, just because Jews jumped on the anti-Christmas bandwagon 100 years ago, but most popular Christmas songs today are ALSO by Jews. As for Puritan, that is a mark of honor and heritage to those who know what it actually is. There is a reason Jim lies and misrepresents it so consistently and often. But if you are a believer, it behooves you to look more closely into these matters and not be a blind follower.

  4. Marry Christmas, man!

    #Betelgeuse

  5. Schrödinger's Psych Evaluation says:

    So, like, um…
    Merry Christmas and god jul!

  6. Heaviside says:

    “The gods of antiquity are anonymities in this sense; they are singularities, not particular personalities or “representations” of general concepts—not, i.e. a matter of either literality or metaphor.”

    The reason why nobody in the show can remember anything is because they all had a drink from the Lethe. Dorothy was probably inspired more by Keats than the Chinese story.

    Merry Christmas

  7. bicebicebice says:

    “let them be for signs and for seasons” the problem with paganism is that men worship other men or images of other men which is homosexual also for women when you combine that with worshipping rocks or trees or animals it becomes almost hysterically comical, selling yourself short doesn’t even come close to describing it, itz basically the equivalent to baking and consuming mud cakes. paganism is extremely petty and retarded which is why the synagogue of satan kept the only value of such a thing to themselves namely the gold coins which makes the most sense if you are going to go down that route.

    “but something about the tree-worship rubs me the wrong way. Itz probably irrelevant however” I do know what you mean and a logical conclusion taking it to the extreme is that satan made everything on earth which isn’t even true to that crowd themselves, but if christmas trees were done away with and a copy of the rainbow replaced it for every household dancing around it i’d go ballistic…in this current year.
    Maybe the CQ is real?!?or rather the CTQ,

    people fighting over trees? looks like another win for the treestump

  8. aiaslives says:

    https://discord.gg/t5P6bBk

    Invite link for the (new) discord server.
    Old server is kaput.

  9. boneflour says:

    A little late, but Merry Christmas!

    War on Christmas is holiness spiraling. If the Lord didn’t want us to spend time with our families, he wouldn’t have had Satan make us all this comfy symbolism. :D :D ;D

    [P.S. JOKE ALERT, THIS POST WAS A JOKE]

  10. Mycroft Jones says:

    If ye were doing Sabbath and New Moon and Holy Days as Scripture commands, you’d have no need of Christmas and its pagan trappings. This year, Christmas actually fell on the Sabbath. When you eat white bread, made from filtered, bleached and enriched flour, you gobble the whole loaf and don’t feel full. When you eat healthy whole grain sourdough bread, two slices will please your tongue yet fill your belly. The Puritans forbad Christmas for good reason. It was no holiness spiral. There are quite enough holy days in Scripture without adding rituals full of pagan significance to them. When Israel worshipped Asherah poles, and sacrificed in shady groves, they saw no harm in it. But it angered God immensely. Remember remember, the 4th of November, the Gunpowder Plot and the Papists sad lot.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      I regret ever getting into the autism supremacy scene.

      • Koanic says:

        That’s because you’re not autistic enough.

        • Aeoli Pera says:

          The truth comes out. I was a neurotypical subversive the whole time, an economic hitman of Big Christmas (secret Santaism society).

        • Aeoli Pera says:

          It’s not even autism that annoys me so much as this is the absolute ghetto nigger tier of autism. If I wanted to give an example for why spergs are fit for nothing except to be chained to a post purity-spiraling on sharpening spearpoints, this comment thread would be it.

          • Aeoli Pera says:

            I.e. Maybe we aren’t always slaves because people intrinsically hate spergs (some do), maybe we’re always slaves because we’re outcome-independent idealistic fanatics who make extremely irresponsible choices and never learn from them. Like trying to fight the culture war by attacking Christmas as Satanic. Not even Owen Benjamin is that retarded and he thinks the earth is a jelly donut.

            • Obadiah says:

              Aeoli slightly mad, and the plot thickens.

              I think there is a large religious *dissatisfaction* with the prime symbols and content of the Christmas holiday, which leads a lot of people, me included, to kneejerk into “ITZ A SATAN”. There’s something here, I plan to elaborate when I get off working for the man.

              Also

              >This is the ghetto nigger tier of autism

              Clearly my man has never seen furries, DeviantArt, etc

            • Aeoli Pera says:

              Due to my unusually strong tilt toward cognitive abstraction I’m more disgusted by Dan Brown shit than by furry fuckparties.

            • Obadiah says:

              >I’m more disgusted by Dan Brown shit than by furry fuckparties

              Edenism as a whole could be considered ultra-high level Dan Brown shit lmao. In which case, I’m not sure who is memeing whomst.

              >I’ll show you nigger-tier autism

              [Klaus voice] ‘not if I don’t see you first, sonny’:

            • Obadiah says:

              >Edenism as a whole could be considered ultra-high level Dan Brown shit lmao

              I guess not really Edenism ‘as a whole’, just some of it/some of the wilder theories

            • Aeoli Pera says:

              A significant fraction.

            • Obadiah says:

              >A significant fraction

              Your boy bobby wouldn’t have it any other way; a certain degree of outlandishness seems intrinsic to the character of genius.

              Happy new year

            • Obadiah says:

              >I think there is a large religious *dissatisfaction* with the prime symbols and content of the Christmas holiday

              ^This might just be me, though, idk. At any rate, you seem to be getting rather upset at this stimulatory/exploratory discussion and so I’m out.

            • Obadiah says:

              >Death Note Pic

              True in its underlying and big-picture significance, but wrong in our particular instance (unless of course you’ve actually discovered my secret lair where I murder people en masse to achieve a worldly material utopia, in which case I’d better turn the computer off and the paper shredder on!)

            • Aeoli Pera says:

              I wasn’t referring to us, no worries there.

            • Obadiah says:

              Me #GettingCrayWithChristmas (as I allude to here: https://aeolipera.wordpress.com/2019/12/24/the-nightingale-in-big-o/#comment-40739) to reorient peoples’ perspective and outlook on life, God, religion etc. is actually the exact opposite of what you are implying with that picture (Light murders people to achieve worldly utopia).

          • Mycroft Jones says:

            You’re just annoyed because you’re looking for some kind of big tent that can fit a mass movement… but our ancestors fled England and Europe to GET AWAY FROM the Catholic Church. To quote Vox, who is paraphrasing the Bible: we only need 12.

          • Koanic says:

            I’ll show you nigger-tier autism, you Satanic Santaist!

  11. Obadiah says:

    A quirk of my cognitive style seems to be arguing for ideas that I am examining and exploring as if I truly believed them and were convinced of their veracity. I’ve done this before like a year ago or so when I argued that Atlantis was made of magic crystal technology or something. It has to do w/ needing intellectual stimulation, I think

    It might be the counter-quirk of your intellectual style where you merely proclaim things that bubble up out of your subconscious as if they were God’s own gospel with little to no regard for evidence.

    • Obadiah says:

      Not to say that a great many things that bubble up out of your unconscious aren’t necessarily God’s own gospel.

    • Obadiah says:

      “Confident language” as a feature of the processing style. You know what I mean.

    • Schrödinger's Psych Evaluation says:

      Similar issue here. Half of the time, I’m not sure what I actually believe, so I say whatever I’m thinking if I say anything at all. Maybe it has something to do with having a constantly shifting perspective with little to hold it in place.

      Of course, saying whatever will provoke the most amusing reaction from others is also fun. Just don’t try that one on the FaceTube.

      • Obadiah says:

        >Half of the time, I’m not sure what I actually believe

        I’m not as bad about this, and most of the time I’ll have a more solid idea of what I believe (my “inner beliefs” [as opposed to “outer beliefs” aka empirical judgements and assessments of stuff like business and politics] have become significantly more firm, fixed and well-defined over the past 2 years/since discovering Edenism than they were earlier in life). But I definitely have episodes where I do this.

        • bicebicebice says:

          “Obadiah says:
          January 1, 2020 at 3:21 am
          >Edenism as a whole could be considered ultra-high level Dan Brown shit lmao

          I guess not really Edenism ‘as a whole’, just some of it/some of the wilder theories”

          “Schrödinger’s Psych Evaluation says:
          January 3, 2020 at 12:09 am”

          “Obadiah says:
          January 3, 2020 at 2:00 am
          I’m not as bad about this, and most of the time I’ll have a more solid idea of what I believe (my “inner beliefs” [as opposed to “outer beliefs” aka empirical judgements and assessments of stuff like business and politics] have become significantly more firm, fixed and well-defined over the past 2 years/since discovering Edenism than they were earlier in life). But I definitely have episodes where I do this.”

          Edenism is biological classification of human apeoids, you both do know 100% of the current year knowing, but you can’t be 100% onboard on the thought train because if you are not a sape you can’t resonate with sapery, so yeah itz som real dan brown shit with symbolism because certain edenistic types are drawn to and create the same styles over and over again, chimpanzees will always always throw shit and bite peoples faces off, orangutangs use soap and drive cars. Simple as.

          However, if you adopt a satanoid worldview because you are unsure about your own/aboutyourself, due to all the different levels of seeing things, and start to think that christmas trees are satanic gateways to hell, then well you know… I think that is a correct simplification.

          TLDR: if a “satanist” worships a goat as the devil, I see a retarded person and that retard thinks i am the retarded. how you see symbolism says a lot about what you have been influenced by, but a tree is a tree and a goat is a goat created by God. itz lika a bastardisation of language in a sense.
          the “why” part is the biology part hence again the edenism for simplification. this is is why their is no “simple solution” and the strongest groups take the power and enforce their vision on everyone else.
          it is confusing but not really, if a person has an IQ of 80 that person will be a retard, if a person has an IQ of 150 and thinks a goat is the devil he will be a retard. symbolism autism will always be a waste of time because you are investigating a group that are wrong about things but you will of course get to know what they accept as 100% truth.

          ask God if he created the goat as a goat the answer will be yes 100%, ask someone else and you won’t get that 100%, even 99.99% will net you a lot of time wasted maybe even thinking those people are right about whatever the hell they believe.

          I had a point to make but forgot what it was but imagine accidentally handicapping yourself so much that you start to believe the symbolism of pagans, stopping to do normal people stuff and working yourself up over autistic things losing energy, now you are unhealthy because you started dabbing with unreality, sort of like social media gave a voice to billiongs that shouldn’t even listen to themselves in the first place.

          being the wrong kind of christian is probably more dangerous to health than being a larpagan melonboon, one of these will end their days secluded in a monastery/institution not wanting to leave because satan is hiding in the trees. not good. many such cases. sad!

    • Koanic says:

      That’s one of the problems Textmind fixes. If one finds oneself herding cats, uplift them into catfolk. They’ll still be felids, but they’ll have the discipline for small unit tactics.

      https://otomozok.com/projects/NLoqg
      QED.

      Basic melonboon planetary cultivation, really. This cluster won’t conquer itself!

  12. Obadiah says:

    Also,

    >I regret ever getting into the autism supremacy scene.

    You should, because “autism supremacy” is retarded. The important key trait for a redeemable soul (and thus for the base of Christianity) is altruism more generally, not necessarily ingenopathy

    • Obadiah says:

      That’s why the tagline is “Preserving the endangered altruist”, not “Establishing the 1000 year autiste reich”

      • Aeoli Pera says:

        Yeah, the trouble is when you get a bunch of innawoods types together, they start planning communes rather than institutions that can interact with the larger world in healthy ways.

        • bicebicebice says:

          “Yeah, the trouble is when you get a bunch of innawoods types together, they start planning communes rather than institutions that can interact with the larger world in healthy ways.”

          the irony is that sapes are the most mallable and the 1950s could return in one year especially thanks to Borgonizing and the whole god damned surveillance society actually being enforced for a (good)better cause, people weren’t all insane way back then. that expression is probably the most one will get out of the innawoods peoples because their suspension of disbelief is permanently broken..but wishing better for society overall which they still won’t partake in because said reason.

          edenism is real!

        • Mycroft Jones says:

          You aren’t seeing that this is just another manifestation of “city on a hill”, which is very Biblical, and very effective.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      As Koanic originally pointed out, melonboons can be good people if they work at it.

  13. Heaviside says:

    Everyone in The Big O is dead. They can’t remember anything because they’ve all drunk from the Lethe. The real Dorothy is someone who is actually still alive. Big Venus is Kokuzo Bosatsu.

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