Owl, re: Fox,
Ok, so tyr and fenrir
Tyr holds his fist in the mouth of fenrir as collateral while the gods bind fenrir
he knows that the prmise not to bind him wil be broken, so he stays there, knowing that when the deed is done he will lose his hand
the tempation is at any moment to pull his axe hand away, but he must hold it there until it is bitten off for the sake of the world
tying it back to Fox’s comment, the significance of the act comes from the value of the sacrifice
it’s an even deeper comitment than Dune’s idea of willingness to tolerate pain, because pain is a sensation that ce be induced without permanent damage, whereas the loss of an appendage is a permanent condition
hence why the sacrifice of a loved one is the turning point in a behelit myth. there is no return
Agree with your interpretation of Punished Tyr. Further, he’s making this sacrifice to bind the beast of darkness:
The Beast of Darkness is the manifestation of Guts’ wrath and bloodlust, born from the trauma of his experiences during the Eclipse and his intense vindictiveness towards demonkind. As an amalgamation of the swordsman’s malice, it relentlessly attempts to overtake his mind. Whenever Guts dons the Berserker Armor, the Beast takes physical form through the fetish, granting him unnatural strength and ferocity.
So I’d make the case that Tyr is the story of Punished Inuyasha giving up his dream of becoming a full-fledged demon. This decision is actually Guts’ character development arc in Berserk. When he obtains the Berserker’s armor the Beast of Darkness begins to possess his mind. The story is about him choosing between his vengeance and protecting Casca (his innocence, ideals, etc.)
Fortunately, there’s been a happy turn lately. A couple of characters went into Casca’s dream world and gathered the pieces of her psyche and put them back together, so now she’s all better! Notably, this is with the help of Queen “Danaan” as in Tuatha De Danaan. But he gets to keep the armor too, which is cool.
Anyway, this character development arc can be read as the fight between a betrayed person’s desire for both innocence and justice. A low-trust environment produces the desire to become a highly adaptive psychopath, as discussed in the Inuyasha post, but this need conflicts with the high-trust phenotype’s deeper desire to be good. And the psychopath understands the need for vengeance to recreate a high-trust society.
The problem, of course, is that if such a society were created through psychopathy, the psychopath wouldn’t belong there. This is thematically equivalent to Captain Willard’s inability to rejoin society in Apocalypse Now.
Tyr’s action represents the sacrifice of one’s right to take personal vengeance on a cruel world, the way of the psychopath, and binding (domesticating) the use of violence for civilized justice. The myth makes clear that the sacrifice is real because a civilized man can only act half as violently, or half as beastly as the barbarian psychopath. This is represented by the loss of his ax hand.
tl;dr- Reformed Guts is Punished Inuyasha. And you can only kill Colonel Kurtz by sacrificing your hand so you can have a cannon grafted into it because we live in a society.
the symbolic introduction of law and civilization as being capable of birthing forces that overcome the barbarian psychopath
the finest plains warrior can only do so much agains tthe 7th cavarly
Fenrir cannot imagine the willing sacrifice of the axe hand, the symbol of power and might and honor among the barbarian. Hence the strategem evades his grasp
Right. The gods are unified and have a plan. Fenrir only has psychopathic animal cunning. The idea of self-sacrifice for a greater good is beyond his comprehension.
hence the inevitable triumph of those who self-sacrifice the barbarism for collective action
forming civilization and subjugating those who resist
it doesn’t touch on the inevitable rise of serpents in the garden, but that’s where Loki comes in later
Makes sense, I’m illiterate so I don’t know that part of the story. We can place this myth at the “Outburst” upward right line of the Pyrrhic cycle.
Thus far, I think we can place the following myths in the following places:
Barbarian myth: Serpent is killed/banished
Tyr and Fenrir: Breakout
St. George: Age of Conquest/Age of Commerce
Behelit: High Noon/Age of Affluence
[civilization] also contains the seeds for its own destruction,
foreshadowing the increasing domestication of the civilization, opening the door for the snakes in the garden and eroding the strenght necessary to maintain order
and in the end, fenrir is broken free during Ragnarok
Heh, check this out:
And, sure enough, when Fenrir found himself unable to break free of his bonds, he ripped Tyr’s hand from its arm. The chain was then tied to a boulder and a sword was placed in Fenrir’s jaws to hold them open. As he howled wildly and ceaselessly, a foamy river called “Expectation” (Old Norse Ván) flowed from his drooling mouth.
“Expectation” = we live in a society. Order > chaos. Fenrir breaking free can be mapped to the Age of Decadence or, colloquially, “Clown world”. The breakdown of all civilized expectations on a person’s behavior, resulting in chaos and barbarism. Also mirrors the Eclipse event in Berserk.