Incest and narcissism (Vaknin)

Unfortunately this post is just an infodump without commentary. It feels like I failed in my job after not following up on this:

Incest porn alone, even if everything else in the modern world were a blissful utopia, may represent an existential threat to any civilization that allows it to exist. I believe it’s being pushed primarily as a depopulation mechanism because it deconstructs the incest taboo which is necessary for erotic transference in early childhood development. Deconstructing this taboo or preventing it from forming would infantilize the population and remove their desire to reproduce, causing them to prefer a childish, dependent existence.

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I suspect this trend will rise sharply with Gen Z, as it would explain a lot of their oddly reclusive sociosexual behavior that I’ve witnessed personally and read about in iGen. If a person has not developed an interest in sex with semi-unrelated strangers, or if this interest developed and then was destroyed by consumption of taboo-breaking porn from pre-pubescence onward (an unfortunate statistical reality we will have to address with public policy someday), then it stands to reason they’ll have no interest in developing careers, social lives, or just plain leaving Mom’s house. Why pursue conditional love when you only have a mental category for unconditional love?

I may harp on this topic a few times in the coming weeks to get it to stick in your head, because it’s important and there are some subjects only an autistic person is allowed to talk about. (Or rather, we’re not allowed but nobody will bother to socially punish me for it.)

On the sudden dominance of incest porn

Fortunately, Sam Vaknin has taken a shot at the subject in his playlist on narcissistic sexuality:

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20 Responses to Incest and narcissism (Vaknin)

  1. Mycroft Jones says:

    I think it was BDAnon who said that homosexuality is a type of sadistic narcissism. The incest angle adds another datapoint. I think BDAnon is a LARP, but that datapoint sounds true.

  2. Obadiah says:

    >Shmuel “Sam” Vaknin (born April 21, 1961) is an Israeli writer

    Mr. Vaknin should be pretty familiar with both incest and narcissism, and I don’t even mean that insultingly.

  3. Mycroft Jones says:

    A now deleted comment said that Vaknin self identifies as a narcissist. When I watched the videos and looked at his eyes, and listened to him talk, I did wonder “Is he also a narcissist”? Until I read that comment I wasn’t planning to speak up. If he is a narcissist that is very much in line with how the second video goes. He goes along talking about the bad effects of incest and child abuse, fairly truthful, then he does a TYPICAL narcissist move and CONFLATES it with something normal and good… the natural preference for your own kind and kin. He calls it a type of “mental incest”.

    When a narcissist does something wrong, they may cry and blubber about how bad they’ve been but they will always cry and blubber about something trivial that they probably didn’t even do. Never the main thing that they did do.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      >A now deleted comment

      Thanks for the heads up, it appears when I respond to comments through the taskbar they show as “posted” but are not shown in the thread.

  4. bicebicebice says:

    “Obadiah says:
    April 21, 2020 at 11:53 pm
    Not that I’m actually listening to anything he’s saying, of course.”

    Congratulations on your first step of un-americanizing yourself, you just reduced your infodumpcontentload by 90% freeing up a lot of time for treestumping and leaving your house unless you live in kwanstania of course, gotta ask zog for permission first. break the constitution but dont break the law thats wat uncle samuelstein always told me the founder of america

  5. MM says:

    “If Ivanka werent my daughter perhaps I would be dating her.”

    Sam Vaknin on the Bigly Winner:
    http://samvak.tripod.com/faq19.html#trump

    I dont at all agree 100 percent with this but I think he hits the nail on the head a good amount, and is correct in the general, especially in regards to the cult of personality and the infantalism of it all.

    On Vaknin:

    Its pretty funny that he is a narcissist that gets his narcissistic supply by being the ultimate expert on narcissism.

    My only concern with him, besides his “towing the party line” fairly frequently (presumably, because this is required for him to get any kind of “supply”) is that because his narcissistic supply hinges on his finding narcissism in a domain, and it being crucial to the nature of said domain, the possibility of pariedolia or outright invention should not be discounted.

    (Incidentally, this is my big problem with autists, though for a different reason- they have a chemical addiction to novelty and so every conceivable way their pet theories can be used to TRY to explain the world must be exploited.
    If they believe in thoroughly proving their intuitive work this makes for great shit, most of discovery was prob done this way blah blah blah. But if not… well then you end up with Edenism. A cohort of almost utterly wasted genius at the top, with a bunch of broken crazies following in tow)

    An example of possible over pattern matching on the part of Vaknin:

    “the transition from essentialist theories – like Newton’s – to descriptive-functionalist theories – like Quantum Mechanics – is a shift from the substantial to the apparent and abstract. Quantum Mechanics has nothing meaningful to say about reality. No wonder the Copenhagen Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics elevates the observer to the status of the Creator of Worlds (or at least of experimental results), a prime narcissistic act.”

    There may be something to this, especially in regards to the Copenhagen Interpretation, but I’m not going to assume all of quantum mechanics is a narcissistic delusion.

  6. Aeoli Pera says:

    I just noticed none of my comments are going through. Something in the WordPress toolbar is broken (not really surprising, they’re breaking something new every day with the changes to admin tools).

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  8. Mycroft Jones says:

    What would a narcissist look like who got his “supply” from God? Not talking about false prophets or others who try to appear Godly so they can get their supply from human beings.

    Would he appear happy and well adjusted, or would he appear to be an ascetic monk like Saint Pachomius and Saint Anthony of Egypt?

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      >What would a narcissist look like who got his “supply” from God?

      Narcissistic supply is defined as affirmation of the narcissist’s persona, i.e. social reinforcement of their false self. Since that would require God to lie, it would be impossible according to Christian theology.

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