Modern heroes as passivists

aeoli.pera Today at 10:04 AM
“Don’t forget these people want you broke, dead, your kids raped and brainwashed, and they think it’s funny.”

thunder Today at 10:08 AM
only if it’s public, not if it’s private and no one would know. like the politics of menzoberranzan

aeoli.pera Today at 10:09 AM
Funny you mention that, I just reread Homeland for the first time in about 17 years last month.

thunder Today at 10:10 AM
i could sense it somehow
you’re giving off that dark elf vibe

aeoli.pera Today at 10:11 AM
You aren’t the only one, I heard a far-right podcaster mention the Drizzt books as I was reading it.
Spoopy.
Maybe there’s a dark elf vibe in the air and I was drawn to the book because I’m this sensitive artistic soul.

thunder Today at 10:12 AM
Homeland was the best out of the three as I recall

aeoli.pera Today at 10:12 AM
Yeah, Drizzt is only interesting in contrast to Menzoberranzan.
Menzoberranzan is the real protagonist.

thunder Today at 10:14 AM
isn’t the protagonist supposed to experience change?

aeoli.pera Today at 10:16 AM
Optional. The primary qualification is driving the story.
“A protagonist is the main character of a story. The protagonist is at the center of the story, makes the key decisions, and experiences the consequences of those decisions. The protagonist is the primary agent propelling the story forward, and is often the character who faces the most significant obstacles.”

thunder Today at 10:18 AM
I guess some stories are interesting because the protagonist doesn’t change

aeoli.pera Today at 10:18 AM
This was my criticism of Starship Troopers and Avengers too: the protagonists are the military system and Thanos, respectively.

thunder Today at 10:18 AM
that’s what i wanted to do with the cycle of arawn if i ever rewrote it

aeoli.pera Today at 10:18 AM
The supposed “heroes” are just carried along in the currents like children.
Harry Potter is another great example.
He doesn’t make any decisions, he’s just compelled by other people to show up at things.
That this is true of all the popular stories these days is possibly the worst condemnation of modern people I can think of.
Who’s the protagonist of Hunger Games? Literally everyone except Katniss.
50 Shades of Gray?
All of the Avengers movies since the original.

thunder Today at 10:22 AM
hmm…it makes sense in our modern age. personal liberty is at an all-time low in the US and the things we do are because the machine(s) (cultural, religious, political, economic) have us solidly as cogs
if literature is a reflection of our culture

aeoli.pera Today at 10:22 AM
Our heroes don’t actually do things anymore. They just sit around until the chair is pulled out from under them, then they fall to the floor unless someone drags them off to make them have adventures.

thunder Today at 10:23 AM
heroes must be forced to action

aeoli.pera Today at 10:23 AM
If Hagrid never showed up Harry would be on his smartphone right now tweeting a black square in support of BLM.

thunder Today at 10:25 AM
what’s a counter-example? even Bilbo wouldn’t have been a hero without Gandalf forcing his hand
or is Gandalf the true hero?

aeoli.pera Today at 10:26 AM
Frodo is.
Gandalf is heroic but not the protagonist.

Related: http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2020/07/why-are-modern-men-so-lacking-in-courage.html

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3 Responses to Modern heroes as passivists

  1. Dumbo says:

    “If Hagrid never showed up Harry would be on his smartphone right now tweeting a black square in support of BLM.”

    LOL. Maybe more likely for LGBTQ/Transgender rights, gnome saying?
    Although apparently JK Rowling is a TERF, so there’s that.

  2. Arakawa says:

    In trashy media news, I just realized why the hell I watched Steven Universe. (Not every episode, just the small number of plot relevant ones.) A depraved cartoon made by screwed up SJW millenials, yet I felt compelled to watch the story develop like a trainwreck.

    After tossing out the pointless filler, I realized it’s encapsulated the Millenial Hero’s Journey, and that archetype is just about as much of a mess as it sounds.

    The story goes that Steven, Millenial Hero of Destiny, grows up hearing stories of his incredible Boomer Mom from outer space who led a valiant rebellion against an evil alien empire. (His still-living father is a failed musician who lives in a van.) Steven passively waits for evil aliens to find him and force him to defend his home planet, while asking a bare minimum of questions about the backstory. Metastory requires this for Grinding Suspense Purposes, but it also fits with the incredible passivity of the character. By comparison Harry Potter displays Sherlock Holmes levels of investigative acuity.

    Steven later discovers that Boomer Mom was deluded alien nobility who started the rebellion less for justice and more for the sake of coming down to Earth and doing a free love hippie commune LARP. Because Boomers. Slowly learns that rather than solving any problems Boomer Mom was alien nobility who abdicated her responsibilities, emotionally manipulated her subordinates, made the empire worse than it was before rather than solving anything, kicked the can down the road, and left behind an ever escalating series of ticking time bombs and justifiably angry enemies for Steven to deal with. Because Boomers.

    … and in the epilogue season, Steven realizes that he has just as many issues as the Boomers, and the rest of his life isn’t going to be about saving the galaxy, it’s going to be about slowly struggling to become a functional human being. The former antagonists of the story are now tasked with giving him therapy. I didn’t watch that part. When I read about it, I thought it was a cringeworthy and baffling ending, but now I realize it’s actually integral to the story they were trying to tell.

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