Speculations on arch melon early life trajectory (with a couple of tangents)

Anyway, does the thought of “arch melon life histroy” currently seem of interest?


No, but Ken keeps pestering me for it.
It’s like being married except instead of nagging me about chores he nags me about the holes in my old work.
No, we don’t need to remodel the bathroom, and no one needs to understand anything anterior to backswept in Koanic’s mohawk.

Man, that’s a throwback
Koanic’s Mohawk

Okay, enough stalling from me.
Arch melons are characterized by their absolute need to be in charge of something that’s as big as possible.
The degenerated forms (snake, owl, bigeye) are content with min-maxing freedom cost for status.
So they’ll insert themselves into existing hierarchies as high as possible without sacrificing too much of their freedom.
Arch melons, on the other hand, accept no long-term limits on their freedom.
So they will either take a shot at the king or go make their own city in the desert with blackjack and hookers.
In the short term they can be de facto conniving although their temperament and ability is such that it appears quite natural, innocent, and holistic.

From a very young age they’ll have the sense that they’re special and destined for big things. The original behelit verbiage applies more to arch melons than any other type:
“A superlatively talented adolescent, who seems to pass through impossible obstacles with ease, has been drifting lazily to the top of the current world order. But this wunderkind doesn’t understand who or what he is aside from wondering about why he’s different in a vague, directionless way.”
By temperament, arch melons are disinclined to engage in System 2-style reasoning.

Part of this is because having an IQ of 160-200 means you can do calculus-based chemistry with your System 1 animal instincts.
I have a working theory that this is related to the 30-point IQ communication gap.
Basically, the real communication gap comes from System 2 reliance/interests in higher-ability people coupled with simple inability in lower-ability people.
And I suspect people can use System 1 on anything 30 IQ points below their normal abilities.
So if I have an IQ of 140 and CNC programming requires an IQ of 110, I would figure out how to do it just by playing with the machine’s menu as if it were a toy.
(Whereas something like conditional probabilities require something like a 130 IQ.)

Anyway, moving back to arch melon life trajectories.
I’m looking for a quote and not finding it.

No worries. Recall the gist of it?

Yeah, it’s related to Drive by Daniel Pink.
The old idea is we’re driven by hedonic pleasure seeking and harm avoidance. The next idea was that we’re driven by dopamine-based reinforcement, not the pleasure and harm themselves. But there’s another type of drive which is purely talent based.
I.e. “Talent demands to be used.”
The quote goes something like “You can’t leave a human alone with a knotted rope without them trying to undo the knot. Problem solving is its own reward.”
There doesn’t need to be a flavored pellet at the other end of a maze. People will try to solve it because it’s there and they feel like they can.

Well, the early adolescent stage of arch melon ambition is like that.
“I’m special and the world is right there for the taking. Of course I’m destined to take it.”
This ambition gets supercharged by hormones during puberty, which cements the addiction.
The feeling of control is itself dopaminergic (ref. The Molecule of More).
Naturally, this leads to greater and greater overreaches until the melonhead hits the limit of their abilities and their ambition backfires. The behelit myth is, in this sense, comparable to an alcoholic “hitting rock bottom”.
In Berserk this occurs when Guts beats Griffith in a duel to win his own freedom, representing Griffith’s first setback in controlling events by pure will.
The narcissistic injury drives him to make a mistake which results in being tortured into a useless husk of a person.
Pretty good representation of “rock bottom” in my opinion.

That’s when Satan shows up with the Faustian bargain and dangles the world in front of him at the low, low price of his childish innocence (ref. https://aeolipera.wordpress.com/2018/04/09/innocent-character-death-as-innocence-lost/).
A good short-form version of this story is the Rem Saverem episode of Trigun.
So the end result of taking a shot at the king is becoming the Superman except out in the wilderness.
At this point they either set up as a barbarian king and build their own city following their original vision or take over the old city or both.

Shades of Genghis Khan
Immediate impression. Don’t know as of yet how accurate that sense is


Anyway, makes sense so far

I don’t know the Genghis Khan story so that would be a good test case.

But not yet seeing how it maps to known/suspected arch melons
Goethe being our prime example
For some reason I view Alexander Hamilton as one, though I beleive he tracks more with our Noblid category
Yeah, next step is to identify arch melons and see how this fits

FTN did a deep dive on Hamilton which may interest you.

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16 Responses to Speculations on arch melon early life trajectory (with a couple of tangents)

  1. William Owlson says:

    More melony people are increasingly masochistic using pain and endorphins to fuel success.

  2. Obadiah says:

    Aeoli what do you think of the prophecies of Siener van Rensburg? Apparently near the end of Trump’s presidency WW3 breaks out with China/Russia vs America/Germany. The Chinese invade Europe and conquer the southern areas of the continent, but then the ‘Kwa unleashes the Tesla weaponry and annihilates the Chinese/Russian bloc. Britain apparently gets totally annihilated somewhere during the struggle due to backstabbing too many people and their check is cashed. Germany takes over Western Europe and America is permanently crippled.

    van Rensburg has the ‘prophet phrenology’ shared by you and Karl Marx: big frontal, big back (though Marx was apparently M-back while I assume van Rensburg was T-back).

    • Obadiah says:

      Okay its apparently Russia that makes it to Spain at the start of WW3 (they do this after crushing perfidious Turkey).

      Then Russia turns Britain into a parking lot after they backstab everyone (and Trump deactivates their nuclear capabilities, leaving them to be destroyed)

      Then its either the Germans or the Americans who unleash die wunderwaffen (maybe just nukes) and destroy Ivan, winning the gigantic useless retarded war.

      Sadly, Japan is leveled by earthquakes at some point.

      Perhaps less sadly, New York is obliterated by some sort of natural disaster event (I would guess somehow aquatic/some sort of megastorm). I guess after that it falls upon us to push Hellifornia into the ocean in Minecraft.

      • Mycroft Jones says:

        America doesn’t disable England’s nukes. Nukes don’t exist, which is why Rensburg doesn’t mention them, although he does describe other horrific weapons.

        • Obadiah says:

          >Nukes don’t exist

          Wouldn’t surprise me at this point. In what little I’ve read van Rensburg describes “horror bombs” being deployed heavily in WW3.

    • Mycroft Jones says:

      I don’t think WWIII will break out during Trump’s lifetime. Rensburg didn’t say one way or the other, but there are things that have to be in place before WWIII happens. The Chinese navy doesn’t seem like it is anywhere near ready for the invasion, and the US military has to be refurbished and brought back up to strength after all those years of Obama.

      • Mycroft Jones says:

        Also the American drone bases in North Africa with their super weapons have to be in place before WWIII starts. Also there will be a global famine and economic collapse before WWIII, this has not happened yet, although the Grand Solar Minimum researchers make a convincing case that it will be coming upon us very soon.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      >Aeoli what do you think of the prophecies of Siener van Rensburg?

      Don’t know anything about them. Skeptical by default.

      >van Rensburg has the ‘prophet phrenology’ shared by you and Karl Marx

      In that case don’t listen to a word he says.

  3. Obadiah says:

    >For some reason I view Alexander Hamilton as one, though I beleive he tracks more with our Noblid category

    Washington is closer–has almost the entire full arch-melon suite but some important psychological differences are present due to his introversion/deep-set eyes:

    • Obadiah says:

      John Jay is also very close:

      • Obadiah says:

        Washington closely resembles fellow Roman aristocrat Sextus Varius Marcellus (who was of Syrian origin):

        • Obadiah says:

          ^actually that pic is sextus’s wife julia, isn’t it? still though, its important who he married and what that says about what the types of people from syria were doing in rome with what types of romans, who they were marrying, what they were doing etc

  4. Obadiah says:

    >Arch melons, on the other hand, accept no long-term limits on their freedom.
    So they will either take a shot at the king or go make their own city in the desert with blackjack and hookers.

    “Amerikwa: a Foundational Story”

  5. kensuimo says:

    fuck yeah

    this my stuff

    good job

    Side note Goethe is under consideration for snakedom.

  6. Weltgeist says:

    This is interesting, it describes me more than any other post on an edenic type, but I was not typed as an arch melon.

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