Faith as trustworthiness – Charlton

This seemed pretty basic bitch to me, but I was reminded last night that what seems basic to us today wasn’t so basic when we were growing up, and that means it’s repeating something fundamental. And repeating fundamental ideas is a good use of time.

“Faith” is a red herring

The discussions about “proof” versus “faith” – or science versus religion; are essentially nonsense. 

In such discussions, ‘faith’ is pejoratively defined in terms that regard it as unfounded – but it is better to consider faith as more like ‘trust’, but trust being regarded in a personal way; we trust someone that we regard as having our best interests at heart. 

http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2020/12/faith-is-red-herring.html

It’s not a bad idea to play with the idea of what sorts of things you can have faith in to understand what it is. E.g. If you’re walking on a floor you built yourself for the first time, you’re putting faith in the quality of your own work. If you’re firing a mortar at something you can’t see, you’re putting faith in the physics, your supplier, and the calculations. People who tell you faith is like the Law of Attraction are replacing an older concept (“fide” as in “fidelity” or “confide”) with a newer one. In the most general sense, faith is a sensible probabilistic inference that the character of something (most typically someone) you know well will predict the outcome of something you couldn’t possibly predict otherwise. What their spouses do in secret, what fellow soldiers will do under stress, and what happens after death are the most salient things people want to predict and, presumably, don’t have perfect firsthand information about. So religion, marriage, and the military are the areas where we appeal most often to the binding value of “faithfulness”.

As usual Charlton ends it by saying everyone is going to Hell except him because they don’t have his Romantic Mystic Christian spiritual discernment, but that’s because he’s mistaken the clarity and predictive power of the black pill with spiritual discernment.

And all this is – in 2020 – so blazingly obvious that it requires complicit evil on the part of any adult who fails to notice what is happening on a daily basis!

Which is why the eyes above the masks we see in daily life, are increasingly resemble those of zombies, or snakes

Yeah, that’s just dysgenics there bud. Remember, you’re only supposed to take two black pills in the morning if you’re under 250 pounds. Or wait, shit, he’s in Europe…uh, under 17.86 stone.

Looks like the topic of trustworthiness is back in style today: https://www.unz.com/anepigone/always-depended-on-the-trustworthiness-of-others/. I’m sure this has nothing to do with the election.

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8 Responses to Faith as trustworthiness – Charlton

  1. MM says:

    I’ll ignore the redefinition (We have myriad words for ‘belief’, a few for ‘probabilistic belief’, and fewer for ‘belief on primarily incomplete information’. We all know the colloquial meaning of ‘faith’, the redefinition serves only an emotive need- a linguistic transference) and skip straight to the Counter-argument:

    Q anon retardation. Politics and culture. Economics. Gender relations.
    Power dynamics and ideology.

    Human nature.

    The casual arrogance shown by almost any one who believes any thing.


    Despite its difficulties, nothing beats doing your homework, and being able to change your mind on it.

    If something is currently (or possibly permanently) unknowable then that is unfortunately that
    (until maybe it is not).

    There are always voices on the wind and faces in the clouds. I know this better than most.

    Your past life failings in college, job, relationships all centered around misplaced faith in society, your parents, your abilities (physical or otherwise), and ultimately- your process of trying to determine what is and is not probable to be true, or possible to say with any usable amount of certainty.

    I have been no different in these regards, that’s true… I now know that recognizing and fixing this problem is how actual adults achieve actual Power.

    Which is what anyone who sanctifies life needs. To use for better or for worse.

    (not help)

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      >I’ll ignore the redefinition (We have myriad words for ‘belief’, a few for ‘probabilistic belief’, and fewer for ‘belief on primarily incomplete information’. We all know the colloquial meaning of ‘faith’, the redefinition serves only an emotive need- a linguistic transference)

      https://www.etymonline.com/word/faith

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      >Your past life failings in college, job, relationships all centered around misplaced faith in society, your parents, your abilities (physical or otherwise), and ultimately- your process of trying to determine what is and is not probable to be true, or possible to say with any usable amount of certainty.

      Very true. I’m alienated enough by disappointment at this point that most of my social affect is now purely performative. If the people I know did nothing, most of them would be exceeding my expectations by a longshot. I see them as having the emotional range of a two-year-old, from gleeful abandon to compulsive rebellion against their own good sense as if it were a weak parent.

      • MM says:

        Your response could be concerning for many reasons, but my point wasn’t that everyone has failed you (idk idc), but that you have failed yourself with magical thinking and lack of care for your own personal material realities and this pattern will probably continue because you care so much for ‘discernment’ and intuition despite them having failed you time after time. I can say this from experience too- as you know this same stupid shit cost me 130k (almost halfway back tho).

        I am already aware just how much your idealism manufactures whatever connection you feel you actually have with normal people but a messiah complex will never fix the fact that you are a tribeless outlier- and one with a belief system that makes you perfectly suited to be crushed under the tides of the future to boot. Its been over 3 months now and you’ve only written a few sentences of actual value regarding heroism so it seems your ID gets all this. I’m not going to try to sell you on adapting for your own sake.
        I’m not selling anything.

        Just expressing.

        • Aeoli Pera says:

          >you have failed yourself with magical thinking and lack of care for your own personal material realities and this pattern will probably continue

          Historically this has been my greatest mistake from a fairly young age.

          >Your response could be concerning for many reasons

          I understand how it looks bad to people with an eye for interpreting Rorschach tests. but I’ve come to terms with the blog not having real-world positive consequences for anyone except myself (in the future, I mean, and with exceptions here and there), and the potential negative consequences won’t come from the appearance of negative transference. This is part of the alienation. The time for communicating with other people is over because everyone has been revealed for what they are. There’s no more fog on the map. No one is looking for better understanding than they already have. (This isn’t precisely true but it’s what the players of the game act like, i.e. “your glass is full”.)

          On the other hand, I really, really like thinking out loud (INTJ has extraverted thinking) and will continue to do so unless it starts costing me big.

          • MM says:

            >The time for communicating with other people is over because everyone has been revealed for what they are. There’s no more fog on the map.

            I’d be hard pressed to think of a belief that was less true or more self hindering by both the stated reason (accurate knowledge) and the false assumption that the act of communication (a crude measurement that requires the proper mental tools) does not itself change the map- and possibly in ways advantageous to oneself.

            Also, 1. You don’t know everyone, or even that many people 2. People are only mostly predictable if situations stay the same. Situations do not stay the same. 3. You are predisposed to being wildly wrong about the map by nature. 4. You can call it ‘thinking out loud’ but what it actually is is ‘insanity testing’ and as unnecessary as it seems to you atm your subconscious knows to keep it up or you will go full Glossoli.

            • MM says:

              (‘unnecessary’ on the assumption that someone who posits they have such complete knowledge of an aspect of the world should deny they are insane, or that they need simple ‘worthless’ communications with others to maintain sanity)

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