Re: !Zeb! re: JUA

“Civic establishment artistry” begins with the assumption that all men want the same thing- to feel good about themselves and their station in life. we meme the virtues that lead to doing the right thing the way that players did for women.

https://aeolipera.wordpress.com/2022/04/09/initial-blather-re-jua/comment-page-1/#comment-52480

Good summary.

Action plan: the action plan/ dopamine-success pathway is found in the small scale shifts…

This is important to highlight because unrealistic timescales are counterproductive to self-help plans. The key is the feedback loop between success and expectations while avoiding hubris (less likely these days).

However, it’s important to keep in mind that this will be driven more by changes in oxytocin, and specifically oxytocin in women. They will generate the demand, the point of training men is to produce the supply.

“Dopamine modulates large-scale social network group cohesion, whereas oxytocin modulates social cohesion in the context of family, friends, and other small-scale social connections. (Pearce et al., 2017 )”

“The goal of chapter 3 is to point out that many of the current societal trends presented in the previous chapter, especially the rise of populist nationalism and its related phenomena, are presumably created by a combination of high levels of dopamine in human populations, and how stress hormones oxytocin (primary female stress hormone) and vasopressin (primary male stress hormone) increase the intergroup divisions.”

Click to access Generational-Hormone-Theory.pdf

…of 1) an individual’s overton window to the Right…

My first instinct was to quibble here, because who cares what their politics are, but then it occurred to me that conservative politics and oxytocin are the same thing.

…and 2) the individuals autonomic integration/ willingness to engage in action (AIDA).

Initiative is for the 0.01%, and it’s usually squandered through eccentricity (high-agency people tend to have fewer problems and therefore lose touch with reality). The remainder of humanity run the spectrum from moderately trainable midwits to untrainably dense alcoholic dimwits. The better thing is to aim for the eminently trainable midwits and actually train them in basic community formation and activism principles.

Root Virtues: true integrated virtue is what allows people to communicate vialue.

Practice makes perfect.

in this case, the sales pitch is the value of being a delta/beta member of an alpha tribe.

I disagree, the value we offer is survival via group defense, communal welfare, and specialization as civilization breaks down and food becomes illegal for white people. The point is to turn disillusioned Betas, Deltas, and Gammas into the next rank up by detaching them from the system and giving them the job description and a guidebook. The Alphas are hopelessly bought in and will continue feeding from the trough. The reason for this is they get to disproportionately outcompete the other ranks if things stay on course. Everybody else gets soft-killed by rising overhead costs while they populate the next generation.

Jim talked about ownership of women being #1,

Women are owned by whoever can take them without penalty, the rest is distribution. There’s no sense is talking distribution without power, and if you think otherwise it’s because you aren’t a threat to the real political power structure (and it’s not Trump).

collective identity in a group centered around those ideals. underground revolutionary->hero -> fat cat statusquo holder.

This identity is key to conviction, as Q showed. The opposite for agency though, so it’s important that the leaders in training internalize that the buck stops with them, not with their enemies.

the overcoming of the shit test (calling someone racist/sexist/bigot), rapport, comfort, and confidence-building with the foundation of the philosophy.

All good details, but I’d argue day 1 is “how not to call federal attention to your little farmer’s market”. The Nazis have the most practice here.

and frame and overcoming of the rhetoric-based mental resistance by breaking down the strongholds of normietude: fear of uncoolness, fear of discomfort, etc

These are all standard self-help curriculum.

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7 Responses to Re: !Zeb! re: JUA

  1. Bardelys the Magnificent says:

    Youz guys are engineering this backwards. The goal is to get to Heaven. There is no other objective to base society on that is going to stand long-term. The sales pitch will be making going to Heaven cool again. Right now, Satan is cool, so everyone gives into their carnal desires and destroys themselves. Midwits may not realize they need Heaven, but you can make it appealing so they follow along. They’re going to follow somebody, might as well be us.

    For example, while the midwit may think that work is about money and status, we need to re-route the purpose for salvation. Keeping their hands from being idle, giving them purpose, family support, etc. They need not know the why behind it, but we need to gently steer them away from base desires and toward God. Same with women and motherhood. Get that right and the rest will follow. You can sperg out on the details later.

    • Aeoli Pera says:

      I think you’re mistaking society for church.

      • Bardelys the Magnificent says:

        I’m not. Our society sucks because it’s no longer God-centered. The True God, not false ones. It’s been pointed out elsewhere, but nobody has a working model on how to fix it. Yours is good, but it has the wrong focus. Sperg all you want about Normie dopamine receptors, it’s going to fail unless itz pointed toward Heaven.

        • Aeoli Pera says:

          >Our society sucks because it’s no longer God-centered. The True God, not false ones. It’s been pointed out elsewhere, but nobody has a working model on how to fix it.

          For starters, what are the predictors of the society you’re advocating?

  2. Zeb Zebley says:

    “Good summary.”
    [toggle.selfesteem]
    >Self-esteem is ON

    >This is important to highlight because unrealistic timescales are counterproductive to self-help plans.

    that’s half the battle. the other half is inflating the cost of wrong action to the point that the proles have to start acting honestly as a matter of survival.

    >The key is the feedback loop between success and expectations while avoiding hubris (less likely these days).

    hubris is a spritual failing, but excessive self confidence was a bulwark against antiwhite antimasculine agitprop, and the swagger that you got from it was a big selling point in the original PUA.
    Success in matters of idealism will need to be spelled out to the normies by shamans and philosopher types as often as possible, e.g. fireside chats and radio homilies. Expectation-setting is a discrete skill, so an estimating 101 class should be part of the orientation, too. we can run it like the eternal highschool.

    >However, it’s important to keep in mind that this will be driven more by changes in oxytocin, and specifically oxytocin in women. They will generate the demand, the point of training men is to produce the supply.

    the training is going to need to to be individualized from generation to generation, to some extent, if only so we don’t piss off the double helii. promoting marriage and quiverful movements would increase the goodwill juju on that front.

    playing with natural order just externalizes and discretizes disruptions. the final goal should be a practical psychological program that understands and accounts for the 80-year cycle as it is. the journey of a thousand-year rike begins with a single lifetime.

    >“Dopamine modulates large-scale social network group cohesion, whereas oxytocin modulates social cohesion in the context of family, friends, and other small-scale social connections. (Pearce et al., 2017 )”

    there’s a way to use M0 theory here. mandatory SERE training for 10 and olders? creative minecraft server projects instead of homework over Christmas and Easter Break? and then
    for Oxytocin, mandatory 20 hour work week, with 2 family project days a week, Wednesday and Saturday? rotating “group playdate” days for kids so mom and dad can reconsummate the union?

    “The goal of chapter 3 is to point out that many of the current societal trends presented in the previous chapter, especially the rise of populist nationalism and its related phenomena, are presumably created by a combination of high levels of dopamine in human populations, and how stress hormones oxytocin (primary female stress hormone) and vasopressin (primary male stress hormone) increase the intergroup divisions.”

    >Click to access Generation-Hormone-Theory. pdf

    aside from the pdf: “Human populations outside the tropic” is a good code-word-salat.

    >>…of 1) an individual’s overton window to the Right…

    >My first instinct was to quibble here, because who cares what their politics are, but then it occurred to me that conservative politics and oxytocin are the same thing.

    so is bodybuilding and homesteading.

    >…and 2) the individuals autonomic integration/ willingness to engage in action (AIDA).

    >Initiative is for the 0.01%, and it’s usually squandered through eccentricity (high-agency people tend to have fewer problems and therefore lose touch with reality). The remainder of humanity run the spectrum from moderately trainable midwits to untrainably dense alcoholic dimwits. The better thing is to aim for the eminently trainable midwits and actually train them in basic community formation and activism principles.

    and tautologically, the .01% with initiative will take care of themselves (unless they’re so group-oriented that they forget to eat or sleep, but that’s what interns and associates are for?)
    trickle-down altrunomics is necessary for society. bottom-up Christian charity makes up the difference and should be encouraged.

    >>Root Virtues: true integrated virtue is what allows people to communicate value.

    >Practice makes perfect.
    the eternal high-school’s ssj2 form is the eternal guild apprenticeship. which needs to be watched so that it doesn’t degrade into the eternal trade-school.

    >>in this case, the sales pitch is the value of being a delta/beta member of an alpha tribe.

    >I disagree, the value we offer is survival via group defense, communal welfare, and specialization as civilization breaks down and food becomes illegal for white people.

    so it is.

    >The point is to turn disillusioned Betas, Deltas, and Gammas into the next rank up by detaching them from the system and giving them the job description and a guidebook.

    my first thought is that It’d be a breath of fresh air to have a mannerbund with an idealistic alpha. a Beta-turned-Alpha would be able to empathise with his folk more easily, but I can’t clearly clearly articulate what negative effects would come from that, so I’ve got to give it the side-eye.

    >The Alphas are hopelessly bought in and will continue feeding from the trough. The reason for this is they get to disproportionately outcompete the other ranks if things stay on course. Everybody else gets soft-killed by rising overhead costs while they populate the next generation.

    I’m missing something. is this is specifically an uprising of the betas and under to form new parallel society? we’ve got alpha dissidents too, why wouldn’t they make for the brass ring straight away?

    > There’s no sense is talking distribution without power, and if you think otherwise it’s because you aren’t a threat to the real political power structure (and it’s not Trump).

    but muh political solution truth bomb two more week donations tho

    >>collective identity in a group centered around those ideals. underground revolutionary->hero -> fat cat statusquo holder.

    >This identity is key to conviction, as Q showed. The opposite for agency though, so it’s important that the leaders in training internalize that the buck stops with them, not with their enemies.

    you’re really nailing Jeffersonian freeholders with Roman civic virtues and Suidlander energy, and that’s the kind of dream men will wake up and go to work in the morning for.

    >All good details, but I’d argue day 1 is “how not to call federal attention to your little farmer’s market”. The Nazis have the most practice here

    Nazis for tactics, Early Christianity for philosophy. the 1st and 2nd century writers literally wrote the book on how to weather persecution.

    >These are all standard self-help curriculum.

    remember me when thou art come into thy cushy private teaching position openings.

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